I was more speaking about the multiple monitor support. Microsoft isn't going to degrade their multiple monitor support any time soon back to XP levels of non- support.

.hooyah

Quote from thisnameistaken :

The 'Rally Pack' was something the forum users were talking about when I turned up in 2005, so it's an idea that is ten years old and has not materialised yet.

I appreciate that there are features that are still expected to arrive that are many years late, but I would not expect any 'rally pack' to ever happen.

Kev pls,

Rally Pack comes out next Thursday.

That's fine, use DX9 (for LFS' user market and hardware, that's fine). But to criticize newer versions of Windows for properly supporting multiple monitors (and virtualizing them, so that I can swap displays, with 3D applications open, without them going tits up) is absolutely ridiculous.

The fact is that Windows XP doesn't have "better" multi monitor support, it simply has NO multi monitor support. It has no concept of the boundaries of each display, so to have them work in any sane manner, you need software such as MultiMon or nVidia's GPU drivers which jack the maximize operations so you don't get a useless browser window that's 5760*1080 wide.

It's just absolutely ridiculous to not make it work in a more compatible (and more future proof) manner by supporting newer versions of Windows. XP market share isn't going to wildly increase. So why wouldn't you move towards supporting what people will use for the next 10 years, and not the last 10 years?

I agree with you that it's a little bit redundant that you send geometry to the same GPU for each display, but that's not always the case (in case of multi-GPU setups) so making it less prone to blowing up by forcing developers to be verbose with their inputs seems to make it more reliable.

Last edited by dawesdust_12, Mon 10 Mar 2014, 22:02.

Quote from Kristi :

that doesn't mean you can't let yourself go and spend your spare money on something that takes your free time and makes it a blast.

That's why I bought AC.

Quote from Kristi :

Well, I wouldn't even give my try at discussing iRacing with dawedust cause all he seems to do is ranting on how bad it is, everywhere. I'm glad he didn't invade the iR topic yet since his comeback though.

You should hope that I invade the iRacing thread so then I can't post negative things about iRacing. Not that it seemed to matter as the lemmings still managed to talk about me even while I was banned.

Quote from Kristi :

I see that simracing itself isn't a cheap hobby to begin with, especially not if you choose iRacing as your platform but it's not really that expensive at all when using your brain at the Checkout and Cart. Buying the right tracks and cars would've probably saved around 1/2 of that money that feel wasted.

You're right, SimRacing isn't cheap, but that doesn't mean that we should be just so eager to open our wallets and let a game rape us in the wallet. As for the content purchased, I purchased what I needed to race the series that I could race. It was just every week I'd have to buy 2 more tracks. Then a season change would rotate the schedules to even more tracks that I didn't have. I eventually got sick of paying so much for shitty physics, with retarded drivers that either drove slower than shit to keep their safety rating up, or T1 heroes.

Paying that much, then still having no better racing than a ****ing LFS demo server.. there's no way I could possibly justify that. And I'm not willing to give it YET another chance. Better to wait for AC, and if the MP is horribly useless there, just give up on sim racing altogether (as it's obviously a dead market).

Quote from Kristi :

I also feel that it's still tons of money for a game, but on the other hand I am an enthusiastic person towards my hobby and I love the spirit of racing, therefore I would pay nearly any ammount for a game that can give me the joy that LFS gave me 4-5 years ago which is competition. Pure racing, with cars close to your pace with constant action. When subscribing to iR again recently, I felt something in my first race that I didn't for the past 3 years for sure... That is the shake in my legs when chasing an opponent through laps. I'd pay a lot for that feeling of joy.

I'm enthusiastic too. I spent $1400 on a new gaming PC (not mac!) for AC to run at a good FPS (and DOTA). But If the market is failing my demographic, It seems more logical to throw in the towel rather than throw more money at
the problem.

Quote from Kristi :

I also have Assetto Corsa which still awaits a Multiplayer in my mind, because hotlapping is a lackluster for me.

That's the thing about AC... It's enjoyable to drive. That's what AC reminds me the most about LFS.. is that the feeling of just driving (at whatever pace) is enjoyable. Driving (not racing) iRacing is a joyless experience, which tells me that there's something broken in the experience. Never mind the obviously broken stuff like grip past the limit.

Quote from aaltomar :

Have you tried the Ruf? Doesn't seem like you do. What I read from your posts that you want to have your fun at the price you deem correct, if not, you're going to moan about it, a lot.
You seem to have invested a lot of time on LFS so I can understand you being defensive and hoping Scawen will eventually pull out the rabbit out of a hat.

Robbing a bank? Well maybe if you're a teenager without an income. I would think in Canada the purchase power is pretty high compared to the rest of the world so it really shouldn't be that high of a price.

I just wish Scawen would have announced it some five years ago that he's taken a hiatus from the game development so I wouldn't have wasted my time visiting this forum and hoping for an update. That's what annoys me the most. Don't really care that much for Scirocco.

No I haven't tried the RUF. I've given iRacing several attempts in the last 5 years, and they've not gotten better physics. At this point, I'm confident they'll never have good physics, so I'm not putting another penny towards them (They've already gotten nearly $400 from me in content that I will never use).

And yes, to keep "up to date" with all the plethora of overpriced content, robbing a bank for some gold bars is about the only way to keep an iRacing subscription active where you don't "sit out" a few weeks because you don't have content. Seems like a great deal. Pay for 2 weeks of a month, becuase you would need to spend $50 on the content you're missing for those other 2 weeks.

Regardless, I don't need to care about the iRacing cartel with Assetto Corsa around the corner. Even if it has the worst multiplayer in the world, I'll have gotten 10x the value out of the SP content than I ever did out of iRental

Quote from Macfox :

It's all about compromises at the moment. Empty servers and stale content isn't my cup of tea.

I agree AC looks like the best candidate out of the bunch.

I would argue that AC is the only candidate.

Quote from Macfox :

They're plenty of options to choose from.

Is there really that many choices? You have iRacing if you rob banks in the evening to afford to buy content (while paying a lot for still broken physics).

You have rFactor 2 (which I can't speak towards the quality of).

You have Race Room Experience which is a hotlapping game (so far.. still) with a lot of DLC content. Or you have LFS which has a decent amount of content, multiplayer, just a lacking community.

Assetto Corsa is the only one that really promises a LFS like future, especially with Steam Workshop integration for user generated content.

So there's really not a lot of (good, at least) choices out there.

Quote from Hotdogxx60 :

I have had a dislike for steam when I had way back at the beginning of it life.
It may have improved a lot but is it true that if I purchase a game on steam I don't own it.
For what ever reason I may have my account stopped at all the stuff I have purchased is gone.
If that's not true then I'll give steam another go.

Unless you're a scammer, your account won't be removed. Even cheaters don't get their accounts terminated (Just banned from that engines games if it's VAC).

Quote from NitroNitrous :

At the moment, but I wanted to know if that's for the early access versions or if more formats will be available when 1.0 is released.

Anyway, I decided to spend 23 Euro on it and get my first game ever on Steam. I then found out that the game requires DX10.1 so I need a new PC if I want to play... which I find kinda wierd since I was able to test the tech preview. Can't blame them for that anyway, if I was a racing sim dev my game would only support DX11, steering wheels above 250 bucks and triple monitor setup. You don't have any of that, you can not even install it. I'll get a new rig at some point this year

I doubt it will be available off steam considering they plan to use Steam Workshop to distribute tracks/cars that users create.

Probably because it's continuing the "green" racing series initiative, so it's using low profile (and no grip) tyres becuase they have less resistance and are "moah green".

Quote from rosewood2 :

All of these will be possible, but most likely not within our lifetimes (come on invulnerability technology!

Sorry if i got too offtopic with this.

Why would you wish iRacing went free to play? Are there not enough games out there with broken tyre physics?

Quote from The Very End :

Whatt to have a bet? Let's see what comes first, WW3 or Shitrocko?

In order of most to least likely:

• AC MP
  
• Scirocco
  
• WW3
  
• 2nd coming of Jesus
  
• Universe Ending
  
• civilization on mars
  
• youtube fixing commenting system
  
• colonizing the sun
  
• iRacing going free to play
  
• iRacing fixing their physics
  

Quote from aaltomar :

My sarcasm meter went over the chart with Scaven's last line there...

Well it's true. If Scawen says anything more, the forum erupts into thermonuclear war.

Quote from BlueFlame :

And where does it say clearly you live on the Isle of Man? IE, how the **** am I supposed to know? Population is what less than 100,000? Out of 60 million people in the UK I assumed you weren't on the Isle of Man. Massive fail right there.

From now on maybe I'll assume everyone lives on the Isle of Man? What a wonderful warped point of view that will be. Still won't satisfy you lot though will it? Clearly I don't give a shit though.

Quote from BlueFlame :

And how could you have done that? The only virtual versions are a shortened/scaled down Snaefell circuit anyway.

Not this again...

BlueFlame denying that you can't memorize a race track...

EDIT: For context... https://www.lfsforum.net/showt ... php?p=1835956#post1835956

Last edited by dawesdust_12, Fri 7 Mar 2014, 15:04.

The thing with iRacing is that the physics are so wrong/incomplete/non-useful when you are outside the limit. So to go fast, you have to "break" the physics by driving in an unrealistic manner to make sure that you don't break outside the limit and get into un-recoverable situations.

AC does handle the over-limit situations very well, like LFS does. All the "sims" that have been released in the last 6 years (rFactor, GTR, iRacing, etc) fail epically at that.

Quote from buedi :

I´m lurking in this thread for quite a few weeks now and I cannot decide if AC is for me or not.
I played nearly everything Sim related since the C64, was still in love with GPL when I played LFS for years, I also played all the GTR series, but the LFS physics were always the best for me. GPLs tire physics had its flaws, but it felt pretty natural anyway. But LFS beat them all.

I know you cannot judge driving physics by Videos, but is ACs physics more like LFS or does it go more the GTR route?
I don´t like the sounds of ACs cars, but if the physics are on par or even better than in LFS (which means that grip should feel natural no matter what speed you go, for example GTR had pretty bad low speed grip physics IMHO), I might grab it while it´s still in Early Access.

I´ve heard that the will release the Nordschleife in a big DLC pack together with 10 other cars and if you buy AC in early access you will also get a discount on that. But all this only makes sense when the physics are damn good. I don´t care much for graphics and sounds, but the physics must be near pefect.

Since this is the LFS forum, everyone here is familiar with the LFS physics and can compare, so I would be happy to hear from you. Thanks in advance!

NKP used to be the closest thing out there to LFS' quality tyre physics.

Assetto Corsa is an extension of this. It feels fantastic. The only "downside" I would say, is that LFS seems to simulate a whole environment rather well (wind moves trees and flags for instance), where Assetto Corsa seems more that your car is the only thing "living" in the environment.

It doesn't change how AC feels fantastic compared to every sim out there (and at least on par with LFS), but it's just an observation I've made.

Last edited by dawesdust_12, Fri 7 Mar 2014, 08:11.

Dygear, I've already done a few things that take data from LFS and spit it out to a web browser. When I was practicing for my Kyoto 500 qualifying for instance.

Having the ability to connect your web browser (through websockets) and LFS is really cool.

I've done other less interesting things as well with XI4N. Plus, JS is fun until you hit some of its stupid points, as there's many parts of the language that exist, but shouldnt be used.

There are some style issues that I have with XI4N, and I think there's still a fairly important CFG bug existing, but it's been a whole since I've had time to program recreationally on anything.

Well, in this case.. height of stick doesn't matter. Jumping however does make it charging. Plus it's from behind with the Philly player having no chance to defend himself, so you could go boarding instead, or even Check from Behind.

Options being (all of which are OR options, not all of them called at once):

2 for charging (unlikely because of obvious injury and dangerous hit)
2 for boarding (unlilkely becuase of inability to defend from check)
2 for Cross Checking (unlikely, because stupid play)

5 + GM for charging (more likely)
5 + GM for boarding (more likely)
5 + GM for Check From Behind (unlikely in NHL standards because low velocity of play, but still possible)
5 + GM for Cross Checking (Possible, considering it's used as a substitution call in case of a low speed CFB)

Quote from Fordman :

If you want to pay £29.99 for Hotlapping then yeah I agree.

I wish people would stop with the LFS is Dead bla bla bla. Its at a lull at the moment and has been for a while, but cargame ( and I don't understand your comments considering your server) is practically full every night and offer different cars/configs each day, but yeah again I agree "while" we wait for more development to take place and be released, its as simple as that.

Fordie

Thing is, AC is hotlapping currently, but it is still the only sim out there that gives that same feeling of LFS joy of just driving on a track. Multiplayer will come, and provided they don't manage to create iRacing quality netcode, it'll be fantastic.

As for CarGame.. I think he's bipolar. He runs one of the most popular servers in LFS, while continuing to proclaim at every moment in the forums that LFS is dead. It's incredibly illogical.

Quote from CSF :

Ah the perfect nutter conspiracy. Nazi's, Americans and the great dear Leader dictator hero Putin.

In b4 BlueFlame.

Quote from Kristi :

LLM calling eachother losers, here we go again. Aww yeah.

No idea.