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Scawen explained the reasons he started the mods project: there were more and more illegal copies of LFS with mods circulating in the internet. This meant less income from the game. Mods feature apparently was in high demand, and it also centralized control over multiplayer, to cut illegal copies from new future features, and make those users pay.

I think it's fair.

Sure, not all mods are excellent, I do see many issues, but every feature has trade-offs.
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Half a terabyte for a single game is pure insanity.

For years I've been fine with 250GB drive, then 500GB, enough for all my photos archive and work data. Then I started working with large datasets, where one file of 2-4GB was processed and temporarily stored several times, making one project be 20-30 GB. Then I had to remove parts of photos archive (they were stored on backup drives), but the next 1TB drive, bought in 2020, was more than enough.
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Tommy, I think there's an aesthetic problem with your cars: if you steer and countersteer quickly, the driver is shaking his head too rapidly. I think the head should incline more gradually.

This is even more pronounced with bots who turn the wheel from side to side even quicker.

The car in the video is '28, but I guess '30s has similar animation.

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Quote from SamH :As a person who is not free to think, or to share what you believe with all around you, I imagine you might think that this is reasonable.

The irony is that he explained that his poor Russian writing (couple pages earlier) is because he lives somewhere there, I guess in "the West". It's even more ironic to promote war without any commitment and in safety of the "enemy" country.
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Maybe you accidentally pressed ignition button?
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Quote from dfgjkl :Имелось ввиду другое по англицки как то не так.Товарищь

а вот тут ты все перевернул и поэтому идешь на фиг

Выучи русский язык сначала, мамкин патриот.
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Russophobia in Ukraine is one big load of bullshit and makes any Russian who's been there just laugh.

I travelled to West Ukraine, Lviv, then Kiev, and always spoke Russian to everyone, including those who spoke Ukrainian back, and when they asked where I was from, I replied honestly and directly. Not a single person has said a bad word to me. Neither those I contacted, nor anyone in service -- many Russians like to remember and talk a lot of someone not being serviced, "because they hate us" -- so I guess it's one case happened per year that gets retold and forms a background.

The locals who were my guides -- like Lviv city hall employees (where do you find more partiotic people?) -- would be exceptionally correct and avoided to imply any kind of my guilt (of the previous war in Donbass) at all costs.

I was surprised they did care what we think of them. Apartment host, and even laundry service workers told "let us come here and see!" One of them said she was from Siberia too, said "see, they didn't kill me! Tell it to yours!" And these days my contacts from there still do care: they send me videos of how the captive soldiers are treated. I'd expect them to say "to hell with Russia, we don't give a heck". But no, they still do care.

Oh, yeah, you can find a couple of freaks anywhere and show them to everyone. That's how propaganda brainwashes people.
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I've emigrated last week. There's little hope that war can end soon enough, as our govt made such a claim that they can't quit and save their face.

Our civic society is under heaviest repressions since the late 80s, when even under Glasnost policy people were still persecuted for political position. Two days ago a friend of mine was detained, He did oppose the war, but also worked as deputy assistant and would expose land use manipulations by construction companies. Prosecutors initiated a completely made-up case of fraud, that he'd steal his deputy assistant salary.

If you're a common, uninformed man, daily life is still fine, far better than horrors in Hollywood movie about Russia. But it's a daily pain for an educated man. The majority though is surprisingly supportive of govt and optimistic.

All my activities besides work and family -- new urbanism, education sociology, local politics -- make no sense anymore. The state will default soon, cut budgets, lay off people, and citizens have almost no control of their own cities, so what's the point debating better urban design, public transit, walkable streets, or equal access to education? Yeah, it's so empowering to say they'll be needed even more to live lean and cheap, but I can't care less now. (Who knows if one will be able to criticize city administration without danger of legal persecution in the coming years. Or we're doomed to toothless talks on minute issues and wishful thinking of "trying harder", "being optimistic and in good spirit" like in Soviet times.)

My condolences to victims in Ukraine.
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Quote from Aleksandr_124rus :In Russia, all the media are tightly controlled by the government...

Thanks for a detailed description. That's what I meant by "informational autocracy".
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Quote from Scawen :How about Russians getting rid of Putin? I mean removing him from office?

Several reasons:

1) Up until now Russians have been living better than ever, and weren't urged to demand changes.
2) Informational autocracy (A Theory of Informational Autocracy by Guriev & Treisman) keeps itself at power by controlling the media, co-opting the educated elites and de-politicizing common people. They're purposefully drawn to believe that politics is dirty, and attemtps to change a futile.
3) Consequences of this are seen in polls. After major elections roughly 55-60% say they the elections weren't fair, yet in the same poll 60% say they accept the results as legitimate. They do nothing about the elections afterwards.

If someone hopes protests help, it would take millions go to the streets.

Protests in 2011-12 involved less than 200 000, and about the same a year ago. They weren't supported by the elites or bureaucrats. In Ukraine they were. Sociologist Lev Gudkov (his article titled How We Think) proposes that the USSR transformed when the majority of middle-level, middle-age bureaucracy realized they had no way to go in the existing system. It's them who had both experience and means to define how the system works and to change it.

I may sound fatalist, but I'm not. Everyone who got involved in local activism quickly realized why they need real democracy (eg. why we need an elected and independent mayor rather than a state-backed candidate or an appointed bureaucrat). Even when city council got 6 independent deputies among 50, it changed a lot, many questions that were decided among bureaucrats became a matter of public discussion.
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Quote from Aleksandr_124rus :At the Madrid summit in July 1997, Hungary, Poland and the Czech Republic were invited to participate in the alliance, and then other states of the former socialist camp.

Not only Putin alone is to blame for this, but also the West. Putin appeared because of the West.

From what I've read, the promise to not expand NATO wasn't articulated clearly in any treaty. And it's no surprize these 3 countries joined NATO: they had Soviet intervention in '56, '68 and '82. Hungary and Czech had street fights with lots of casualties. So their new, anti-communist elites were still remembering this and wanted protection. A piece of history we miss in Russia completely is how these countries turned Socialist. Most of them became electoral democracies after WWII, but gradually were manipulated into mono-party states - from elections manipulations in Poland or Czechoslovakia to physical elimination of any opposition in Romania.

So it's no surprise their leaders remembered and wanted to join. It would have been better for us if they didn't, but it would have been a sociologically impossible thing. They had to correctly predict reactions of Russia several steps ahead and come to a decision opposite of what was rational in mid-term (sociologist Sokolov explains that people can't predict even a single other person's immediate reaction to events, not even of a group of others).

Other 2 considerations: 1) Russia had a communist candidate in the 2nd tour of presidential elections, and unstable economy. Enough to be worried as a neighbor. 2) It didn't cause immediate hostility, quite opposite: Russia made part of Russia-NATO partnership, probably until 2008.

Russian economists (sorry, can't remember particular names) speculated in hindsight that what could have been done instead was an analog of Marshall plan and to write-off USSR debts -- Russia held responsibility for them and paid off for years, which led to the very costy state bonds in '95-'98 and then the '98 default.
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Russia acknowledged Ukraine in its borders as independent state, and these claims by Putin are lawless. To justify it by ownership back in history is absurd, since every piece of land in Europe has been in many states even over the last 2 centuries, and anyone could claim anything.

In reality, these are mere excuses, the real reason is post-imperial resentment. In 1989 the USSR, broadly speaking, lost the Cold war, and in new year 1992 collapsed. That event is what many want to take revenge for.

But it wasn't always like that. I remember late 80s, when most of the common people were fed up with the communist party and excited of possible friendship with the West. I remember common people, who weren't political dissidents at all, bemoan the regime all the time in 1988 and later. (Here's a good book with the study what people felt, based on diaries.) Only a few very ideologized people tried to defend the Soviet Union. Even the secret services did nothing. People were tired of communists and waited something new to happen.

Then came the crisis of the 1990s. I remember January 1st of 1992 when the prices in our city shops doubled, and then they doubled again 2 months later. Inflation in 1992 alone was 25x. Then many state enterprises and research institutes laid off personell, in some places there wasn't any cash to pay the wages for months. The crisis magnitude was -40% GDP/cap, and was a cold shower. I guess this is when many started feeling resentful, and the final turning point was the war in Yugoslavia in 1999. It made many turn around in their opinions. Those who had bemoaned the USSR, started to think it was a good country destroyed by some conspiracy. The ruling elites seem to share this resentment fully.

If stopping NATO were a goal (though our military generals who dare to speak, don't think it's a real threat), then Putin failed.

In early 2000s, state media would mention every once in a while an unfriendly symbolic move from Eastern Europe - a painted monument, a removed monument, an anti-Russian protest, and so on. Our state responded offencively, and things went in a downward spiral over the 20 years.

When you're told that "ours" are attacked somewhere "there", it's easy to take "ours" side. Maybe it was LFS that made me friends with a guy from Ukraine. We tested mods in 2004 and discovered that you could make bike (though we didn't change the XFG body). The guy made a video with a rock song about a scary biker, in Ukranian, from which I followed to listen to songs, read their media. Maybe this made me look at them from a different angle.

Another personal story: in 2003 I got the first bank card in my life. There was only one bank I knew that made them rather cheaply, and it took an hour by bus and subway, and a long walk in -15°C to get there, but I wanted an S1 licence that it didn't matter. And still there were some issues with payments, because there were few real buyers from Russia, and lots of fraudsters, and I hoped we'd become a friendlier and more opened country. Seems that in the coming years this process will go backwards. What a shame.
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Quote from rosewood2 :That actually begs the question: when will the LFS Car Editor be open to being translated into other languages?

I think Scawen will not do it, because it takes a good deal of effort, I bet at least a month of work, and then a lot of effort to manage and maintain.

Creo que Scawen no lo va a hacer, por que necesitaria primero cambiar el codigo, que podria durar un mes entero, y despues mantenerlo.
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The engine needs sound. There's a guy who makes engine sounds, please ask him to help out: https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/95895-Engine-Requests-For-Your-Mods
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Great graphics and interior.

The only isse is the engine. I've driven the real Logan. In it you usually keep revs between 1K and 3Krpm, gears work like this:

Gears are 0-20 km/h => 1st
20-40 km/h => 2nd
40-60 km/h => 3rd
60-80 km/h => 4th
80+ => 5th.


This mod seems to have too high revs and low torque on 1-2Krpm.
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Thanks!
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I wanted to make a joke, but was too late for the party.

Seriously speaking, it's not clear from the original message what exactly hurts: leg or even feet (AFAIK in several Slavic languages you may say "leg" for everything), a muscle or a joint, etc.

If it's leg (not feet) muscle, it may be because you hold your feet high raising them from pedals, or hold your legs, etc., and that causes muscle spasm. Try different postures, distance between the seat and the pedals. Also the seat should keep you in place and prevent sliding (in a bad seat, which is exactly horizontal, you gradually slide down).

If it's something else, then go to a doctor, they'll give a better advice, what exactly hurts and how to prevent it.
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No, I mean profile height, instead of 40% it should be 80% or 90%.

In the specs it's in the middle: 125/80 R10. (80% of 125 mm width)
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Ah, makes sense. Thanks a lot!
InSim and multiplayer in 0.7A
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If I want InSim to control a multiplayer game, without running an LFS instance myself, how should I enable this and how do I know what IP should my app connect to?
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This car needs a skin and mapping in low-LOD model to look fine, as Gutholz points out.

To me it reminded the aesthetics of Polybridge game. Low-poly, simple and cute.
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No problem, guys! Thanks for the effort. These 2 mods made me look into older cars and notice some trend in design.

I wondered when did suspensions transition from these characteristic leaf springs, sticking out of the front, to McPherson or double wishbone. Seems that European Grand-prix racing with Mercedes and Auto Union fight made the tech upgrade so fast.

1907 Renault that raced in Le Mans is still rather similar to these 2 mods. Probably in the 1910s there's a gap in progress because of the WWI, so 1900s cars have little difference with those of 1920s. (I was quite impressed reading that these headlights use acetylene, and there's a water tank where you put calcium carbide, to make acetylene, and then have to light the headlight torches!)


While 1930s Mercedes/Audi are substantially different, and this is how GP cars still looked after WWII in early 1950s:
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Now it works. BTW, the default setup in Tommy 28 has the same problem when changing between 3rd and 4th gears.
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In Ubuntu, LFS can't copy to system clipboard (but text messages do get copied). Maybe save the template to a file?
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One small thing: tires profile should be twice higher. ("50" in the Russian specs seems to be twice lower than is used in English.)
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