Quote from IceMan31x :

World Of Outlaws came to bristol and they covered that in mud as well (sprint cars) 15.55 is the fastest time there. Bristol FTW!!

is that because of the rebuilding of the track. i've heard they are going to brake down the whole track and rebuild it with logarithmic bankings.

Quote from Soeren Scharf :

This is the reason why I have added the source code

okay... then it does not help me

ok lets start it this way: how do they get the prizes?

sometimes the server is the problem...

Quote from Woz :

-1, there are many many dickheads that are fast. They are the ones that think racing is hotlapping and just drive flat out all the time. They then come up on a slower person and expect them to be as fast through a corner. End result they wreck you. They then shout at you because its YOUR fault they rear ended you

I am much more for the chess style rating system. Everyone starts with a the same rating. After the race you rating is adjusted. If you beat a person that has a higher rating than you your rating goes up and if you lose to a slower person your rating goes down. There are a few other subtle ways rating can change. A DNF means you got beaten by everyone so your rating takes a big hit. The same calculation is performed on your rating against everyone in the race.

The end result is a bell curve of values where the cream are at the top, the noobs/wreckers are at the bottom and everyone else is in the middle.

In this sort of rating the fast but dickhead drivers end at the bottom because they alway cause a wreck and hence never finish.

where are disconnected people? or people that get crashed out? they will lose against all others but can't be held responsible for it, can't they. its like taking away half of your chess figures just because the other player falls over an hits the chess-board....

i don't have any sponsors so all you can get from lfscar.com is honor, fun and a virtual trophy at the and. if you win the kyoto 360 you get a virtual silver plate with a name engraved. if you win the complete series you get a virtual silver cup with your name engraved in it. (which can be seen under www.360degree.tk)
ok and i can offer a free stay (just the stay not the flight ect.) in my flat in austria for a week, if you are willing to help with washing up and stuff )


finding sponsors is really difficult. i think stcc has some goodies but it took them half a year to get the logitech sponsoring...


i would like to have something like in real world: everyone who wants to start in a league has to pay an entry fee (not much, 1-5 euro), which will be divided up after the race according to the position. so good drivers earn real money and bad ones earn not that much. or the money will be spent on the trophy. but i am not sure if this is legal, wished and tolerated by the developers.

Last edited by Fischfix, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 01:39.

just a question, what if a driver is fast in his average lap times but still a crasher when having people around?

fast laptimes does not mean good drivers, that only means good hotlapers

does not work all the time as posted in the other thread. (gateway)

Quote from J.B. :

you may never push a car off the track in a corner, even with small overlap. Overlap is not mentioned, only intent.

exactly. no more comments needed. in my opinion.

and as most of the servers run "common racing rules" then all those servers will steward it as this. (with the exception of banger racing of course)

i think i found a workaround:

when the admin switches to the leading car, the lucky dog is the first guy who does not a time-difference on the right side in the position list.

however this does not work on AU1 or BL3

thats the problem with lots of circuit racers. they can't go through a turn when there are other cars around them. they can go very fast when there are cars behind or in front of them. but not when they have to go through a corner 2 or 3 wide. always sticking on the ideal line no matter what, and always blame it on the guy who was next to them. some realy act like they were AI drivers. giving a damn shit about whats going around them.

the problem there with public servers is, they will always get away with this tactic and be faster then just brake a bit more and let space for the cars around them. if it is an administrated server they will be penalized with this attitude.


in short: if someone is not holding his line and crashes out a car next to him (which is what you describe) it is his fault not giving room. hey may have the right of the corner but not the right to push off other cars on the track. it is as simple as that. even if it is completely his turn, he does not have the right to push off other cars. he won't do that in real life.

Last edited by Fischfix, Wed 13 Jun 2007, 22:47.

ok this is what i do and it works when there are not more then 18 people (sometimes it does not ...)


open insim gateway
click on start gateway (left should be 32300, right should be 32301)

open lfs-tv director
click the connect button in lfs-tv director
type in there: 32301
click ok

start lfs
type: insim 32300

it should connect to lfs then and you will see the message in lfs

open up a replay or online game and press shift+u

i did not get it to work with the insim gateway. if you find a way, please tell me.

it connects but then i get a insim closed message...

Quote from IceMan31x :

we need smaller ovals -----> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVR3uKCsWyc

we need all kind of ovals in my opinion. short tracks, speedways and superspeedways AND a proper car, proper tire wear and better aero physics but yep... why not starting with a short-track on mud... however i like tarmac and concrete more: BRISTOL FOR THE WIN!

so i understand this right, with this application i can get the old insim programs like pitspotter to work as well?

edit: does not work with pitspotter, it looks like it is connected but i get the error message in spotter:
Requesting player data...
...which was invalid :P
...which was invalid :P
...which was invalid :P
...which was invalid :P
...which was invalid :P
...which was invalid :P
...which was invalid :P
...

sorry i was to fast on commenting it as "it works"

it connects, but it does not work in my latest lfscar replay (24 cars on track)... when i pres shift+u it jumps to a camera postion i did not set up and stays there... i can move that camera...

and after a while i get: FATAL INSIM ERROR: CONNRESET
insim closed: UNNAMED

and when i click then on the gateway window, it crashes and want me to send an error message to microsoft...
#


i also got replays with 20+ drivers and there it is working... but then it loses connection after a while...

Last edited by Fischfix, Tue 12 Jun 2007, 23:24.

yep, in nascar it is because of the reasons you have mentioned above.
however in nascar the crashed out cars or the cars that cause a Caution are not allowed to get the lucky dog pass. which is different in lfscar

i want to have it in lfscar because of other reasons: if a driver gets crashed out by an other car on purpose or whatever reason, he might lose a lap in the beginning of a race. the crasher will get a penalty after the race, ok, but what does the crashed one get? nothing. so this is the approach to bring that guy back into the race giving him the lucky dog pass being able to be again with the leaders in the same lap.

hi guys,

i am searching for a tool, that tells the admin at a certain point in time, which car is the first car that is at least one lap down compared to the leaders. (lucky dog) it also needs to work on autocross tracks.

best would be if the admin can write something like: /dog and then it tells him which car or username it is.


i am not able to program it so maybe some of you have the time or want to practice their skills.

cheers
fischfix

i agree with most of the points.

i am for a +1 but i think it does not work. we have a warm up lap with flying start (which is even easier) in lfscar and it does not work 100% most of the time. someone is always crashing, and it is a league not public. we even switched to single file because double file made even more problems. and remember i am talking about the oval, so you don't have to turn or brake that much on that track.

having this kind of system requires an automated helper or penalty system in lfs like it is in other games. thats the only way it think i will work on public servers.

the X is coming!!!!!!!!!

Quote from Dru :

i think the issue here is that the sense of peoples comments really do depend upon in which 'forum' it is...

for instance, drifting, new teams, new drivers, BTCC threads etc etc always have lots of needless posts/comments such as the type which Fisch has already mentioned.

true, dru. but isn't that good. the system already made me, not posting in a Apple-thread anymore on that news-site. because i'll never be able to convince an apple user to switch. it also saved me from lot of worries if i post to a thread which does not interest me and need to react on posts who tell me that i am wrong "just because".

its the same here: if i don't like drifting or whatever, then i don't post in such threads. there is no need for a crusade to convince everyone that rallyracing is the only place to be. (all examples are fictive).

it's like trying to convince a vegetarian to eat meat. LFS should be a buffet, where everyone trying what he likes or not and then stick to that. just because someone eats bananas and i don't like bananas, i don't go to his table and say a trillion times: "banana suck, i hate bananas, bananas are so horrible, try ham & eggs. ham & eggs is not for sissies."

ok maybe thats enough examples *ggg*

with the experience of that other website it is quite the opposite there. of course there are some people who just vote "not good" to anything they dislike but most of the time people vote only "good" comments as "good" and stupid ones as "not good".

but people there are older in average so they use things as they should be used and not as a "revenge" thing. lots of people here just don't let any oppinion which does not fit their own be valid. and this is a egomaniac problem.

i came to this idea, when i've read the latest "drifter"-thread btw. where people who do not like drifting write against drifters not with arguments just with insults and stuff like: "waste of time".

but as i said before: it is probably the age of lots of people here, that predefines their behaviour.


like or dislike are no good arguments, they are an opinion. but people do not post arguments here, they just say: i like it or i dislike it which does not bring a discussion any further.
the WHY is the important thing.

i think it would enhance lot of the thread-making and also make people more concerned about what they reply on others opinions if we have a rating system for every comment. i know, there is a rating system for the topic itself, but nobody uses it.

as an example how it works, go to: www.derstandard.at. each newsfeed or story has his own subforum where people can make a comment. and also a easy to understand voting system for each comment (red and grenn bars).

it helped a lot to get rid of trolls and also helped to keep nicer and more intelligent discussions there compared to the time when there was no such system.

with the red and green bars you see right on the spot which messages you need to read and which are just stupid or useless.

maybe this is a bigger task for victor (or whoever runs the forums) but i think it is worth it, helping to cope with useless, insulting or stupid posts.

Quote from Gai-Luron :

Like old lfsstat!!! no??

Gai-Luron

hey gai-luron. is there a way you can keep the laps and laptimes and pit-stops if someone reconnects or rejoins a race, that he did before? can you make it as an option somehow. this will help some of the league admins like me.

i am in if the job situation allows it, maybe bringing a VW-Bus full of friends. Anyway, awsome idea, but where is the OVAL on that campsite???