grand stands
i've noticed some of the grandstands have crowd on them and some don't. isn't it possible to swap files to have all grandstands with people on it or are all grandstands in one file?
drag strip and oval is missing but yep...
the main problem is the aero-model in lfs
1: in nascar usually the cars are much closer together (compare it with nascar 2003) so you always drive in a pack of people. in lfs the aero-model is not like it should be in real live, so people get away from the pack which is impossible in real live unless you have some other cars going with you. the aero in nascar is quite the oposite, if there are more people together they go faster then a single car. in lfs you normaly slow down if you drive in the pack. and that is the main fascination in nascar. those close fights with lot of cars in the reach of the win. (compared to a circuit track, you have 3 maximum 5 people who can win, and you can tell who those 5 are right at the start or in lfs, right after turn 1)
2: in lfs we have maximum of 20 cars on track, nascar has much more, which brings out more action. i*ve seen a nascar race from 2005 where 15 cars were in the last lap in the lead lap and had the possibility in the end to wind the race. which kind of racing can offer that kind of finish? in lfs you always have a critical amount of people on the the track. if there are less then that amount of people with the same driving skill on the track it is just like hotlapping. on the oval you need at least 16 people to have it interesting to watch. (for driving it is even fun if you have 1 other guy that is at the same speed with you)
3: lack of strategy possibilities in lfs (taped grill, resistor plates, asymmetrical tires and stuff) we only have tire wear/heat and fuel, so if the race length is not set properly all cars have to pit at the same time. if you set the race-length to something like: if someone drives slow and does not need that much fuel, he can go with a stop less. or if someone goes for one more stop but times them with possible pacecar phases so he does not loose laps he can win
4: the tracks: nascar has more then 20 tracks and therefore variety. we have two ovals (normal and reverse). which we have to customize with layouts to get variety. and the autoX which is completely flat.
5: the closest nascar like car we have is the xrr, but it isn't really like a stock car in nascar. even not when you compare it to the COT but at least it is close...
6: pacecar: there is no possibility to have that kind of stuff automated, so we are depending on a human doing that. and of course the rules in pacecar phases with single/double-file is not clear to everyone so you can't do that on a public server.
so with the lack of the proper tracks, car, aero-model and strategy possibilities it is no wonder why watching oval races in lfs is not that catchy at all.
so in conclusion to that we can't have nascar at the moment in lfs, but we can have a league which trys to get as close as possible to it. which i am trying to get running. with compromise you get a proper car, strategy and tight racing but not the same like with nascar where 30 cars driving in a huddle.
not now but maybe in the future
btw. Nascar runs circuit races as well on wattkins glen but there you have the same problem again, the top 5 of the starting grid are mostly those guys for the win. allthough the cars are almost unified. i like tight circuit racing as well. i am nowhere near the fastest one, but hey in the middle is the most action, right
1: in nascar usually the cars are much closer together (compare it with nascar 2003) so you always drive in a pack of people. in lfs the aero-model is not like it should be in real live, so people get away from the pack which is impossible in real live unless you have some other cars going with you. the aero in nascar is quite the oposite, if there are more people together they go faster then a single car. in lfs you normaly slow down if you drive in the pack. and that is the main fascination in nascar. those close fights with lot of cars in the reach of the win. (compared to a circuit track, you have 3 maximum 5 people who can win, and you can tell who those 5 are right at the start or in lfs, right after turn 1)
2: in lfs we have maximum of 20 cars on track, nascar has much more, which brings out more action. i*ve seen a nascar race from 2005 where 15 cars were in the last lap in the lead lap and had the possibility in the end to wind the race. which kind of racing can offer that kind of finish? in lfs you always have a critical amount of people on the the track. if there are less then that amount of people with the same driving skill on the track it is just like hotlapping. on the oval you need at least 16 people to have it interesting to watch. (for driving it is even fun if you have 1 other guy that is at the same speed with you)
3: lack of strategy possibilities in lfs (taped grill, resistor plates, asymmetrical tires and stuff) we only have tire wear/heat and fuel, so if the race length is not set properly all cars have to pit at the same time. if you set the race-length to something like: if someone drives slow and does not need that much fuel, he can go with a stop less. or if someone goes for one more stop but times them with possible pacecar phases so he does not loose laps he can win
4: the tracks: nascar has more then 20 tracks and therefore variety. we have two ovals (normal and reverse). which we have to customize with layouts to get variety. and the autoX which is completely flat.
5: the closest nascar like car we have is the xrr, but it isn't really like a stock car in nascar. even not when you compare it to the COT but at least it is close...
6: pacecar: there is no possibility to have that kind of stuff automated, so we are depending on a human doing that. and of course the rules in pacecar phases with single/double-file is not clear to everyone so you can't do that on a public server.
so with the lack of the proper tracks, car, aero-model and strategy possibilities it is no wonder why watching oval races in lfs is not that catchy at all.
so in conclusion to that we can't have nascar at the moment in lfs, but we can have a league which trys to get as close as possible to it. which i am trying to get running. with compromise you get a proper car, strategy and tight racing but not the same like with nascar where 30 cars driving in a huddle.
not now but maybe in the future
btw. Nascar runs circuit races as well on wattkins glen but there you have the same problem again, the top 5 of the starting grid are mostly those guys for the win. allthough the cars are almost unified. i like tight circuit racing as well. i am nowhere near the fastest one, but hey in the middle is the most action, right
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it would be also nice to have some tournament tree ability or something like that.
thx vain, you are a big help... destroying someones work just by saying something like that. 
i mean, watching an oval race is not that catchy you are right there, but racing in it is if you are taking it serious. it's like watching people playing cards. that is one of the most boring things in the world unless you play yourself.
one of the most boring things i've watched was the 24 hours race on gamer-fm. it was interesting in the beginning and the fact we had two teams there, but everything else was just boring. but for the drivers it was not boring at all. messing around with the slower cars and so on... so where is the point? i still think it was a great thing to have.
i mean, watching an oval race is not that catchy you are right there, but racing in it is if you are taking it serious. it's like watching people playing cards. that is one of the most boring things in the world unless you play yourself.
one of the most boring things i've watched was the 24 hours race on gamer-fm. it was interesting in the beginning and the fact we had two teams there, but everything else was just boring. but for the drivers it was not boring at all. messing around with the slower cars and so on... so where is the point? i still think it was a great thing to have.
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season 2 will have an overall event length (including qualifying and sprint) of not more then 2hours. so the races are between 75 and 90 min.
i think thats a reasonable length for oval racing if you want to have at least one pitstop.
the 360 laper is just a special event of season 1, where we even have driver change allowed, so you can team up with someone else. but yes, this is an endurance race and a bit long. but thats the special thing about the 360 lapper.
so again, season will have only races of about 120 laps... but don't nail me on that number...
i think thats a reasonable length for oval racing if you want to have at least one pitstop.
the 360 laper is just a special event of season 1, where we even have driver change allowed, so you can team up with someone else. but yes, this is an endurance race and a bit long. but thats the special thing about the 360 lapper.
so again, season will have only races of about 120 laps... but don't nail me on that number...
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to the "oval is now easier" case:
i think the oval is different with bf1 then it was with fo8. in some case easier (traction controll e.g.) in some case its more difficult (speed). but if i had the choice between fo8 and bf1 on oval, i would choose fo8 just because you need to work more for good draft and i think there were narrower fights back in the old days...
anyway i still hope the interest of GTR/Oval increases a bit for the LFSCAR series...
this might be a good point to advertise the 360lap ovla event again. we are still in lack of good drivers for the final event of the 360° racing series. and we want to have a full grid for that event. it is with FXR, pacecar and flying start.
the second season will be held witz xrr/fzr and shorter races, so this might be a good oportunitie for all gtr or oval fans to see what the can bring on the track *g*
i think the oval is different with bf1 then it was with fo8. in some case easier (traction controll e.g.) in some case its more difficult (speed). but if i had the choice between fo8 and bf1 on oval, i would choose fo8 just because you need to work more for good draft and i think there were narrower fights back in the old days...
anyway i still hope the interest of GTR/Oval increases a bit for the LFSCAR series...
this might be a good point to advertise the 360lap ovla event again. we are still in lack of good drivers for the final event of the 360° racing series. and we want to have a full grid for that event. it is with FXR, pacecar and flying start.
the second season will be held witz xrr/fzr and shorter races, so this might be a good oportunitie for all gtr or oval fans to see what the can bring on the track *g*
yep, that happens when you have the wrong opponents, or slow ones. but that is the same on every track if there is only really one guy competing with you...
we had a x-mas event "FM vs. STCC" with TBO class which was actually very interesting. but yep, if you drive against yourself for 150 laps its just boring, but that is with every track. thats also the reason why i don't understand hotlapping at all...
the oval is a track like every other track in lfs. if you practice it alot you are fast, if you don't you are slow compared to the top drivers. the only thing is, if you are good at one circuit track, it won't take much time to tune into another circuit track and be fast there but you won't be near the top on oval. not because you drive slow laptimes, but because its just a different kind of racing.
the same with drifters, rally-track drivers, drag-racers, bangers, autoXers
its all a different kind of racing which has to be learned to be good at it. and that oval-flaming is just stupid. its like someone who likes donuts saying: "oh that damn pancakes, why do people actually like them".
it's a racing sim which offers a broad variety of racing, it even provides facilities of NOT racing like CLC, which has actually nothing to do with racing at all...
you are right with that sarcasm, the track isn't the problem. (allthough if you just stay at the fm oval for 15min when its full you will see how difficult the track is for A LOT of people, who didn't get to manage 2 turns, or spin out right at the start, but most of them are noobs...)
thats the difference you only get to know when you race on the oval, the track is secondary, it's more about interaction with the other drivers... sure, you have to learn the racing line, but that line is useless if there are two drafters behind you. you can drive the best line in the world, and they will catch you in a few laps just because they race together. which is actually not possible on any other track. but explaining that to someone who does not race the oval is like explaining the color "pink" to a blind.
SO
CO-EXISTENCE!!!
and btw. +1 for one more oval
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hmm one of the best strechting you can do is sitting on your chair and then strech your arms right into the air and making you as tall as possible without standing up.... that's sometimes quite a relieve 
i think banging and wrecking are only different if you are not on a banger-track/server. so on a fig8 or banger-oval it is allowed to aim for your oponents with no reason... thats what the whole thing is about in a banger-race. people who avoid crashes on a banger races are pussies and hotlapers...
we even called people out as "main target for next race" if people won 2 races in a row on our banger server...
banger racing is more or less fun, so it is nothing for hotlaping or being faster, it's just beating the shit out of the other cars and still be able to finish the race at highest position as possible
we even called people out as "main target for next race" if people won 2 races in a row on our banger server...
banger racing is more or less fun, so it is nothing for hotlaping or being faster, it's just beating the shit out of the other cars and still be able to finish the race at highest position as possible
we are going to have a cup race in about 1 hour as well... damit
Today, 3,6° Knockout tournament on the dragstrip. still some slots empty!
why don't you just install GIMP on the windows-boot? i know it is not the same like photoshop (proud cs2 owner *g*) but at least you can work in one environment...
coool! does it work as an H-shifter or sequential?
i could setup a small news-gathering website, where actual leagues can upload/write their news into a RSS feed, someone has then turn this information into articles... it's actually in php and i can give each contributor of news an own account to write those articles and stuff. it is integrated in a cms i use, so no big deal i think... and hope
what do you think? i hope rss does not make that much traffic...
but what about the lfs-news guys. i think they already run the facilities we need, don't they?
what do you think? i hope rss does not make that much traffic...
but what about the lfs-news guys. i think they already run the facilities we need, don't they?
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cool stuff!
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i think you have to make them as Axes somewhere in LFS settings, not as buttons. i don't use the seperated pedals at the moment for my MSSWFF (i know i should but i am still to lazy to reconfiguring myself for that...)
anyway i had it installed some times ago in patch U or something and it worked then...
anyway i had it installed some times ago in patch U or something and it worked then...
next time if you get anoyed by someone just vote for kick. that is what it's for. if others experience the same problem with him, they will join your vote.
there is one doing exactly that: search for lfs spectator
hmmm maybe it is included in the game, something like an easter egg. anyway... the future will bring more tracks, for sure
the problem is: illustrator creates vektor files. you can scale those files to any kind of size without loosing quality. gimp instead is a pixel-art program. i have illustrator, you can tell me which files do you want, and i may find time to convert them for you, so you can use them in gimp.
ah and i need the resolution as well. cheers
the other option is, just klick on the preview pictures with right klick and save them with save as.... you could use these in gimp. if they are only for car-skins i think the quality is more then sufficient....
ah and i need the resolution as well. cheers
the other option is, just klick on the preview pictures with right klick and save them with save as.... you could use these in gimp. if they are only for car-skins i think the quality is more then sufficient....
what in all the worlds are you talking about *g*
that FB u-turn was mentioned before, and i would love to have that one as well, or at least a small "oval" with just that track segment *g*
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