thats true i feel unsecure with the bf1 myself. i had not that much time and passion for racing the bf1 lately.

atm i like gtr more because you know... lfscar and stuff...

but thanks for your words those mean a lot as you are one of the best drivers i know.

Quote from 510N3D :

All drivers from FM that took part, which where Torben, Laudi & Fischfix are skilled thats for sure, but i would not say that they are crazy oval nutters like Failure and myself. Just in case there is a next time, you will not win, at least not if me or Failure are on the track. Besides, i remember racing against you on a STCC server and you didn't do very well there. You got beaten by a oval nutter on a curcuit track isn't that strange?

just to defend myself: i was the fastest on rb4 class in qualifying and during the first part of the race (even faster then some of the xrt). however you don't have a damn chance for winning this thing in an rb4. thats why the whole thing had 3 winners. for each car one winner. and it was a fun event so i took the rb4 as i like it.

i made some mistakes when fighting with samH for the rb4 lead. my race ended when i got cought in a crash of some drivers in front standing on track after t3. which brought me a lap down because i had to toss my car around the track. and did not manage to get out of pits in front of the pacecar which made me 2 laps down. however it was fun and i think you probably had a lot more problems if we all would have been allowed to use the same car. remember there was this discussion at the start if all drivers must drive the xrt.

that were excuses i know. but every result has its reasons.

Quote from lake10 :

Im lost, i ve installed latest patch W17 and i only have 5 servers.
After that i ve installed W9 and its worst, i have 1 server.....

Wich one do i have to install to get all servers back?

you have to use the version the most servers are using

i just want to add in something: oval racing is NOT only BF1 on the oval. i think every car is different to drive there. to speak for myself i prefere the FO8 and the gtrs to the bf1 on the oval. besides that tbo class can also be challanging.

driving fast on the oval is not that important, its more important during a race to make the right move at the right time.

when driving alone there is THE line. end of story.

but when you are with other drivers and probably one of those other guys IS ON THAT line or he is next to you, so nobody of you both is ON that line you have to think. the outcome of this is both of you have to make the best out of the situation. and that is where it starts to be interesting. which is the best line OFF of the ideal line.

for example T3 with gtr/tbo the ideal line is pretty tight to the inside sloping to the outside at the exit. when there are 3 cars next to each other, the inner cars can't slope outside because there is another car there (and lots of crashes happen exactly at this point). so the outer lane becomes the faster lane all of a sudden on the straight because the car has the highest speed compared to the other two. and this kind of behavior can last for several laps.

so oval racing is not thinking from turn to turn. it needs much more confidence to the other drivers next to you. which probably is the biggest problem. lots of drivers in lfs give a damn shit about other drivers when they join an oval. just because they don't look or they think "this track is broad enough and you don't have to turn anyway".

so the interesting thing on the oval is not: sticking to the ideal line as best as possible. its more the interaction between all drivers.

and thats the next thing: drafting and bumpdrafting. however we do not have air-push (i hope we will have that soon) the drafting behavior of lfs is different to e.g. NASCAR. on superspeedways a group of 5 cars driving behind each other is faster then a group of 2 just because of the air-push each car gives. but that is not reality on lfs because of the lack of the aero-model. so we do swing-by drafting which needs some sort of working together from both cars the overtaken and the overtaking. if they work together well they can gain on the cars in front. if they fight for position they will lose and maybe crash as well.

in longer races its sometimes better to slow down for half a lap to get a drafting partner instead of driving the next 50 laps alone.

so again: its making the right move at the right time and not "how can i pass the car in front in lap 5 in T2" in a 120 laps race.

Last edited by Fischfix, Thu 26 Apr 2007, 18:49.

i am feeling it... the X is coming!

no problem. its just when i don't delete them i will forget it and wonder about reaching server limit in a few month. and then i will have to search through all directories to find the black sheep

anyway good to be a help in your thing

ok, cool. can i delete the files from the server?

ah okay...

Last edited by Fischfix, Thu 26 Apr 2007, 16:57.

hm probably. but how does lfs go around the problem. you know there are the default cameras...

ok i can upload some for you on my server as they are pretty big. the 180 lapers are about 16MB and the 360 laper is about 32mb

cool stuff,

i have some things for a wishlist and it hink they won't need that much work so here it is:
- Points for Poleposition
- Points for Highest Climber (compared from start to finish)
- Points for Leading a Lap
- Points for most laps leading


great tool anyway as it is now allthough i think there is something wrong. i have several replays where the actual winner in the replay wasn't the first one in your tool... and it also does not count the laps correctly. i have replays of 180 lap races where the result has only 108 according to the tool and also a wrong winner...

Last edited by Fischfix, Thu 26 Apr 2007, 14:38.

Quote from imthebestracerthereis :

uf1 on autocross XD like ants on a desk :P

how many were possible on Autocross?

and for those who are even more interested in oval racing just go to

=> lfscar.com

(we also have one race on aston club though)

i go with the term: Move him, don't wreck him!

i am using a geForce FX Go5200 with 32/64mb ram on my laptop and the game just runs fine. even with hires grafics.

what kind of processor do you have?

i think one of the best improvements which helps with frame rate is to reduce the quality of the mirrors. i think for most people and especially those with a slower computer do not need to see the bottom left champion sticker on the front pumper of the car two cars behind.

another great option would be as mentioned above an option where i can set like: maximum cars drawn. so there are only the XX closest cars drawn

as it is common racing behavior in nascar why not using bumpdrafting. in a bf1 it is not common but that is just the problem of the game at the moment. when we have proper aero-dynamics any bend of your front wing (bf1) would cause a serious risk to you and your race. noone will bumpdraft with those cars anymore. however when you look at nascar, they use bumpdrafting sometimes. but don't mix it up with aero-push which they use all the time.

but bumpdrafting is common business in such kind of races. however during season 1 of lfscar we had only 2 or 3 times a bump-drafting action going on just because it is too dangerous to lose the whole race just by having 2 or 3 fast laps...

its always riskfull and i would not recommend it for a 120 laps race unless you know what you are doing and you know what the other car is doing.

most of the times people don't use it just because they know how big the risk is to be thrown out of the race. but getting a bump on the final lap or even straight from a team mate, can win you the race...

how many cars are allowed on autocross (AU1) ? can't you just raise it to 20 or 21?

Last edited by Fischfix, Thu 26 Apr 2007, 00:25.

Quote from Blowtus :

Just because the ai drives 'stably' doesn't mean they are relevant in comparison to human drivers.

they are not relevant in comparison to humans. but we ain't comparing humans to AI but FZR agains XRR agains FXR. to se how the top-speed and behaviour on full throttle turns is and fuel consumption compared among the cars it does not matter who is driving. and imo this counts also on circuit tracks.

to compare different cars you need at least one stable factor. a human isn't stable unless he can drive 250 laps without any change in laptime the AI can allthough you won't get any information about the "feeling" of the car which we are aware of i think because it hasn't changed that much with the weight penalty. the fxr is still the tank, the fzr still the easier car to handle.

does someon have a confirmed information for the Autocross (AU1) track?

ARE YOU KIDDING ME.

have you been lately on the league forums? there was a complete nascar series with fxr and it will run season 2 with XRR because it fits more to the cars used in nascar...

i see the problem with time difference though...


EDIT:
i am forced to NOT advertise this series here.

Last edited by Fischfix, Thu 26 Apr 2007, 23:25.

i have experienced the same when messing around with cameras.
when you switch to incar view and spectate a complete lap and switch then back to shift+u the missing patches are gone and everything looks fine again.

at least this works on my machine.

ok with who did you sleep with?

is there someone willing to do some screenshots?

How many cars are the maximum on autocross (AU1) with patch W10. 16 or 20?