So little time, so much critisism.

This patch is a quantum leap over the previuos version and at the end of the day this is still an Alpha . . . . You can't demand that the Devs qualify their day, week, year because you have no idea what they are doing with thier time . . . . I'm sure the BMW/Intel deal took some working out; The physics Rawks, that must have taken time; Victor might already have the cockpits sorted, but to save on download size they wern't included, they are after all cosmetic and won't knacker up the WR system . . . We just don't know. The devs make no excuses for how they spend their days within in the LFS remit. They might not churn out crap like the big houses but what they do do, they do it well. LFS is a kick ass sumiulator and I think it's the best one out there by a long shot. It has massive potential and as more and more licensee's and sponsers come on board you will see a massivly involving and realistic racing package.

Rome wasn't built in a day. Just chill out and enjoy what you have. Or if you want more, learn how to do it yourself.

Which is a fair comment, so you can TURN IT OFF . . . . . lol.

Edit - ~Damn. missed the post . . .

I spent a bit of time punting the F1 car around last night, man is that thing fast . . . Drove the FZR afterwards and boy is that thing slow . . . .

As a mouser if the BF1 didn't have TC then I would be screwed with it . . . . It's still a handful and still needs the reactions of superman but at least I can hustle it around the track without to much drama.

I think this is dramatic improvement over the previous version of LFS. All the game improvements have been considered and practical. Good on yer Devs, you've come up with the goods again and now I've got a whole new LFS to learn all over again . . . .

It's amazing, my setups are having to change completlty to take advantage of all this extra grip we have. It's great . . .

It reduces the amount of reaction the steering has to your hand movements on the mouse. Wheel users have the control to maintain good inputs, but us mousers can get a bit jumpy reducing steering lock just helps to smooth out the turning inputs.

I prefer a minimal intervention from the moderators . . . All the furore of the patch will die down soon enough. But I prefer Freedom of Speech even if that means having to wade throught the pointless drivel of the less mature in our grouping . . .

Formula one is supposed to be the pinnacle of open wheel racing. And in such you expect to be taken for a seat of the pants ride with all the inherant risks.

Of course a unnesessary death is a bad thing, please don't confuse me with someone who takes human life lightly, but to be a racing driver you have to be prepared to place your life on the line. Surely they do that everytime they strap into the cockpit and rev the engine. It must cross their minds that this could be their last race. Racing is dangerous. It's a fundemental basis of racing. By defintion racing needs that 'edge', that flirtation with extremes. These guys are supposed to be racing on the edge, but if you keep moving the edge further and further away from them they're eventually just gunna be commuting to their next pay check.

Sportmen die. It's the nature of the beast, be it on the football field, in a derby or on the racetrack. It's one of the things that makes sport, sport.

play around with your settings and the like . . . . Reducing rear tyre pressure, longer first gear ratio, a softening of the rear suspension can all aid in reducing the wibbles, but above all is throttle control. You cannot floor the FO8 and expect it to just pull away in a straight line. It ain't gunna happen that way. Learn to modulate your right foot or if you use mouse then the rapid finger and a quick change up to second can help.

Give people a safetly net and they will use it . . . . .

Even the cars are designed to take into account all the new safety factors and to exploit them. Such is the nature of competition.

I love watching Monaco. Close, to the wall and making the cars operate on teh limit of their design brief . . .

If the tracks where surrounded by walls people adapt their driving and car designs to suit. More safetly 'areas' does not nessesarily mean safer racing . . .

Yes. THat year was a strange year for F1, a year that they still havn't fully recovered from. I think Coulthard spelt it out in an ITV interview he did. He said (Loosly, I can't remember these things verbatim) that F1 has become almost too safe. That racing drivers race with the understanding they are treading a very fine line between control and the wall, that that line is steadily being eroded (particularily in F1) away so that even the drivers feel they are just robots performing for the sponsers.

In a way I agree. If you become a racing driver you accept that there is a possibility that you will, nay a probable out come that you will, die or at least injure yourself severly whilst racing. I should think to the true racing driving that is as much as part of the thrill (Whether they can admit it or not) as the actuall racing. I jump out of planes. And althought the actuall jumping part, the falling part and the landing safetly with a parachute part are all extremly thrilling if I'm honest the risk that the landing saftely part might not happen is always a factor in my mind. That is what gives you that real adrenalin buzz.

If these things where perfectly safe then nobody would want to race, and nobody wants to watch.

Less lethal/severe crashes . . . . Lower viewer figures . . . A conincedence, I think not.

If it wasn't for the fact that nothing in life is equal I would could see an arguement for deregulation of formula one. Brings back the days of showmanship and the union of man and machine; of too much power and not enough grip; of collisions, clashes and struggling across the winning line with your rear wing hanging off after having driven 10 laps; and of death. Formula one has been synomonous with a good death every once in a while. IT keeps the punters watching and the sport in the news.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not out to kill every racing driver out there and cetain sensibilites should always be taken to lessen certain racing risks, like not placing a spike in the middle of the steering wheel fr'instance. But like the gladiators in the circus, drivers need that edge to race and people need that edge to watch. Otherwise you might as well have a conveyor belt of loud noise . . . .

Edit - Not that I don't morn the loss of any good racing driver. But like a warrior in battle if it happens then where better than doing the thing you love. (all things considered)

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Enough of this tom foolery and waiting with baited breath for something that evidently will not happen right now, I have work tomorrow, so I shall be progressing in a bed wards direction . . . . . I definatly won't be taking a peek once I've cleaned my teeth and performed my ablutions . . . . No. I shall not be looking after I have I have donned my Pyjama's and have placed my Hot water bottle in the bed. I shall not be doing any of those things because I am an adult and am sound of mind. And do not in any way, shape or form, wait up all night for things that might not happen anyway.

So it's good night from me . . . . And it's goodnight from him . . .GoodNIGHT!!!

Quote from Breizh :

England is where someone called Scawen lives...

Is it? I thought he was over in Denmark or something . . . . Anyway. Remeber we're on BST atm not GMT. So it's actually 11.00. Or is it 1.00 . . Spring forward . . . Fall back. **** it, 12.00 ain't the right time anyhoo. Well it is, because it's the time here, but it's not like real time or anything. I think it's relative, or relativly pointless. Which is what this aimless ramble through British chronological sensibilities is rapidly turning into . . . . Did you know there was also Hampton Court Time. It was set half an hour too slow so one of our jolly kings could have more time to shoot. True.

Some guys spend a lot of time and effort in getting their setups just right. So you effectivly 'nick' one of a replay is even worse than constantly badgering someone when they are racing for their setup. In some cases it's a point of competative interest to keep setups close to the chest. Quite often you will find an 'inherited' setup to be nigh on undrivable because you have not been a part or driven the testing that went into making the setup. You'll just end up getting frustrated with it.

Setting up is part of LFS. Read the manuals and the Forums, take the freely available ones that are knocking around and learn to adapt and change the sets to suit yourself. You'll find it far more rewarding in the long run . . .

I bet the Devs are laughing their tits off reading all this bollocks about is it/isn't it . . . .

If it was me, I'd have had the patch in teh bag weeks ago and would be just sitting on it atm . . . . They are loving every minute of this. Must be quite a feeling knowing you have so many people waiting on your next move . . . .

Go Devs.

You evil hard hearted, but incredible gifted game, developers you.

Did you see that Tyre deformation . . . did yer . . . My god. I think I'm moist . . . No, I am moist . . . .

It's like chinese water torture waiting for this patch. It's gunna be like going out and buying a whole new game and they are just giving it to us (Ish). Man, I cna't wait. I just can't wait . . .

No fair. Some of us don't have the luxory of going with a wheel set . . .

I have had an ephiphany.

Friends, romans, countrymen. All those in the mousing community lend me your ears. We band of men. We happy band of men. We band of brothers. Where we have shed our blood there shall we mouse till we drop.

I have made LFS work for me. By doing such a simple thing that has higlighted just how good LFS really is.

I've slowed down the mouse speed. May not sound like much. And that is the whole point. I thought my mouse speed was slow enough, you could say it was on .4 on the mouse speed scale. And I was using about .40 steer centre reduction. I now use .3 on the mouse speed scale and my steer centre reduction is down to about .25. Suddenly I can catch oversteer, hit apexs' and race closer than ever before. My setups really make sense now. I adjust just one point of rear rebound damping and I can feel the difference. LFS has become a whole new game again, again.

So the moral of this story to any of you noob mousers, or even older hands who are just struggling to get the most out of your car then slow down you mouse speed and reduce your steer centre reduction. A simple method to considerable increase your control . . . .

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If you prefer to setup yourself then reading the guide is very important in giving you the basics knowledge to adjust what you need to adjust.

There are many things you can do straight of the bat depending on if you are a 'mouser' or a 'wheeler'. If you want hints and tips then just state a problem here and someone can give you some advice (Actually many of us can give advice, but only some of it will be good advice). The setup process can be taunting at first and many will opt for downloading a set or pawning from others in race. I like to make my own and learn how the car reacts and behaves with the things that I do . . .

But as always one of the best ways to learn is just play around with settings. Take them too extremes, see what happens and try and work stuff out from there . . . . It's part oif teh fun for me. And I feel better if I start dropping my Pb's on a set I made rather than others . . .

Mate. Start using the S2 servers. We where all beginners once and we all generally recognise a good noob and a pain in the arse Noob, so come up to the Valhalla of S2 and start racing proper like . . .

Was flicking through those Google movies and came across a 7 min crash mix on F1. Man some of them looked really bad.

Are we still Hugging?

It's just I kinda need the loo.

Na, he is actually working on new stuff. His been doing a few standups around the country to get his act together. I think Ch4 don't cover him like they used to so he's having to go independant on go on tour.

Every 'demoracy' needs a Michael Moore. We have one. His name is Mark Thomas. Been a bit quiet of late, but's he's working on new ways to severly embarris the government. And boy does he have teh amterial.

You see, thats the thing about the Michael Moores of the world. Governments just can't help but give them all the ammunition they require, those 'documentories' pretty much write themselves. Michael Moore and Mark Thomas et al are very brave men. They fly in the face of the establishment and long may they continue. I am for one a fan of Michael Moore. I'm a fan of his work, his bravery, his erudite wit and his comprehensive unashameded slagging of George 'W' Bush. (Gosh, that super computer that moniters all communication everywhere up on Goon Hilly down must be having a field day with us. Nobody mention assasination. (Shit. I just did) Or Ji Had. (Shit, did it again.) Oil and the Bin Laden Family (God damn) or Pretsils (Awww, I'm going straight to Quantanimo for that one!)) I'm not a huge fan of the man himself, he's big, where's a baseball cap and he's American, but hell I'll let him off just this once. He mat rattle a few cages but hey, guess what, thats the plan! Would the world at large now about the nine minute stare or the Bin Laden flight or the Haliburton bid to control the entire Middle East or the ammended PATRIOT act. Do any of you yanks actually know what is contained in the Patriot Act? Would any of the points that Moore raises have been seen at all? Would Fox show anything bad about Bush and his Cronies? Or should that be the Cronies and their Bush?

Not to say we've got it perfect. Far from it. Our very own lovely British government has been extremely busy in stripping our civil liberties from us. I.D. Cards, Law reforms, Stop and Search tactics, Imprisonment without trial, New Police powers and them wretched Mp's and Bloomin Gorden 'wannabe' Brown are busy passing an ammendment to get their Pension raised whilst symultaniously slashing the entire countries. They must have really chuckled over their Gin and Tonics about that one. The're escuse is that it brings the pension payments in line with industry. Well News for you boyo's, Government is a vocation. It's a job you do becasue you care about your fellow man and your country. It's the definition of a job that you do for teh love not the money. But it's not anymore. It's big Business.

So roll up roll up. Come spend your millions at the game show Government. And you never know, you might just win yourself a peerage . . . .

For god sake, someone shut me up. I'm ranting.

I think this thread has actually shown how grown up some of us are. I second the motion that this is one of the better Forums around. The last thing we should do when issues such as this arise is hide from them and sweep them under the 'this is not LFS related' carpet.

Unfortuanatly it is LFS related because it occured whilst playing LFS. Hopefully The BlackRabbi dude (What a curious name btw.) can come back on, read through and feel that A: something has been done about his grievence and B: that the community understand his feelings and C: We have feelings and advice of our own.

All given in a grown up and sensible manner.

Bravo.

Let's have a group hug.

Not too hard, I'm only little.

Aww, man. I feel so blessed.

How crazy and how much time must you have spare to come up with such a beast. That really was a metal coffin waiting to happen . . .

Thats not strictly Remembering though is it Dan. That's just routine.

And for the Limey question . . .

During the naval days of the Great British Empire (Another expantionist, empirical, tyranical, do gooding nation if ever there was one. You gotta watch those Brits.) scurvy was a common problem abourd ships. (Scurvy is Vit C deficientcy. Causes rickets and a whole host of other problems.) To combat that the British Navy and long voyage ships would carry Limes as they are high in Vit C. Thus limes . . Limeys.

Not really a derogatory term I've always thought. More of a 'hey, thats a good idea. Why didn't we think of that' kinda name.

lol. Like watching that Volvo video from Sweden. That was just nutty.