Not strictly driving improvements but as LFS seems to have budding home movie makers how about a few more tools for them . . . .

More camera positions, 'curb cam', 'bumper cam' (Front and rear), having the ability to 'stick' the camera to a car so that the axis of the camera follows that of the car.

Also physical effects like camera shake whilst on cars and being effected by the slipstream as cars pass by. Can you imagine the image of a 'bridge cam' fixed to as Aston overhead and as the BF1 comes whipping by, the bridge shakes in the slipstream. Whhhhaa'thump'aaammmmmmm. Wheeeeeaaaaaaa'thump'ammmmmmm.

I think if you got some effects like this actually built into the LFS engine then just imagine how much more life like LFS would look in these movies.

There are some really good movies already out there but give these guys even more tool and just think where they could take it . . . .


Appologies if this kinda thing has appeared already. I did do a brief search but it didn't turn up anything.

See if you can recreate the problem and post the replay. It'll tell Scawen alot more than just your written entry . . .

Quote from DEVIL 007 :

Also someone can have fast connection but very bad ping thats why you see them warping.

I got a 1mb broadband and most of my pings are around the 30-40 mark. Tbh I don't even try and race on higher ping servers than that. It just gets annoying . . .

I also got the feeling that it's more a client -> server problem than a server -> Client issue.

Just try and join the lowest ping servers around. hopefully you will iliminate most of the lag problems. But there are always one or two around who connect with high Pings . . . It's them, not you.

I think it's a case off if you are using the old wr or old unstable setups then with the new patch they are less effective. If your old setup was stable and took less liberty's with the exploits your setup can hold it's own in the new physics . . ..

Seems like that to me anyway . . . .

But then I thought I was fast at KY GP Long with a 1.14 untill I saw a 1.11. Looks like I got some testing to do . . . .

Prehaps it could be a feature of LFS world that you enter your parameters into a 'live' server feed and that when enough people have highlighted a combo their willing to drive or that your parameters have been met then You click ok and LFS will start automatically to put you straight into the server . . . .

This can be done without having to go into LFS itself so you are free to surf and browse the forums untill your mates or a track presents itself that you are up to race on . . . .

Or does LFSWorld already cater for that kinda thing. I havn't really spent much time around LFSW, don't find it particularily ergonomic and user friendly.

Just smile and wave boys, just smile and wave . . . . .

Have we been here somewhere before?

I think maybe I should have had my [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] commands in place for that last point . . .. . lol

I'm quite happy racing my FZR on any track going. TBH I find AS. Nat and BW quite incredable dull. I'm getting into KY GP Long, thats a good track. But I will race anywhere. I'm also not afraid of trying new combos. I espiacially like going down the UF's to see what their up too when I fancy a change of pace. Prehaps a slot allocation system could be offered up to the Devs if thats what the community calls for. The master server will only 'stock' a certain number of BW/BF1's or AS. NAT/GTR's servers. Then once those slots are filled a server must choose some other combo . . .

Hmmm yes. And don't try to be too fast right of the bat, you'll find yourself in the gravel more often than not. Just take things steady, don't get impatient and all of a sudden the pb's will start sneaking up on you . . . .

I think the generally impression from everone here is stay away from the crashfests and go to some less popular (for less popular read 'tracks that people need to learn to race propaly on') car/track combos and just drive. We ain't all noob bashers and we will try to help if we see you online. In fact I'm heading that way very soon so if you have a bit of time hunt me out and I'll impart some golden nuggets . . .. .*Cough*

Mate. Sometimes, with kids; an unsympathetic missus and counting pennies, a wheel just ain't the way is gunna be.

A mouse I have, a mouse I must stick with for the foreseeable future . . . unless someone wants to send me one *Grin*.

A wheel that is . . ..

Mate. Practice. Thats really all there is to it. . . Learn about setting up your vehicle of choice, have a mess around prehaps off line for a bit and then get out there and race .. . . .

Yes you might get kicked for noobing, but if you are a genuine racer with good intentions and good observation of track etiquette (And have 'sorry' as your F1 fast chat setting. You will be amazed at how far a good 'sorry' will go in the right places) then somewhere will become home. Prehaps keep away from the manic servers running the BF1 or the FO8, generally noobers playing around with overpowered monsters they can't handle.

I personally find some very satisfying racing happening on UF servers. ALthough generally I stick to the FZR.

If you practice away on a qieut server then mostly your felllow racers will be experianced and slightly more patient with you. They can give you a wealt of setup and driving advice . . . .

Noobs annoy us all sometimes, and noobs will come to annoy you in your time too. But we where all there once and most of us understand that. So long as you are courteous and willing to learn you'll soon fit in and will be racing with the big boys in no time at all . .. . .

So welcome my friend . . .to the machine . ..

Quote from Michael Denham :

Thanks for the hints. It gives you a good place to start. That's the problem I've been having. I know roughly what different changes do, but don't really know much at all about where I want to be with a lot of my values and what I want to change first, etc. I really need my own setup guy! Or I guess I could do a lot of testing like I'm sure the decent setup guys do....

Everyone has different preferences mate. You get used to your setup and the the way the car handles. It might make you slower at one point of the circuit, but faster at another . . . But if you got any specific questions then I will be happy to answer as well as possible.

I'd rather you asked questions and learnt what the setup does than I give you a set (Which might not be all that good at the end of the day, just that I know how to drive it) that you only use and never look at . . .

S'what I do. Test and test and test a bit more. Can be a bit dull but you do learn what the cars do and how the setups work.

Like I said I'm not an alien or anything, just an average racer with an average knowledge base. I've read the manuals a bit and with the new patch you can actually coralate setup changes to how you think the car should react. I glad some of you found my little guide'et useful. I'm happy it was taken as it was intended, nothing exhaustive, just some useful tips from a fellow racer . . .

Ah, yes. A man there who is most definatly faster than me. If you use any of my helps to get even faster than me I will be most upset. I might even have to uprate my growl to a bite . . .

Anyone with BF1 help? I would be interested in that . . espeacially from a mousing point of view. Would be good to see what I need to look at to get competative with this mental car . ..

I realkly think that how you ran your set up before will effect your racing in the new patch. If you, like me, tried to have as nuetral a setup as possible then the new patch would have brought out the best of what you run . . . My sets where up to speed with only a few adjustments. I look forward to trying to squeeze yet more speed out of them . . .

If you ran a more chaotic setup using the exploits and fixed transmission and the like then your just can't get the most from the car in this new patch.

True. I must admit. I do have a red stripe on my FZR skin. Plus red wing mirrors. Do you think that that would cuase problems as the wing mirrors are travelling at a faster speed than the rest of the car. I could be seeing (In my mirrors) myself coming up behind me . . . .ooo. How paradoxical. And somehow kinky . . .

Just goes to show just how good LFS is becoming. To me, that looked real. From watching the San Marino GP at the weekend that slo mo work looked pretty much spot on. TBH honest to answer some of the obove requests for more car component requests, once LFS gets the slo slo mo then you will see more reaction form the car. F1 cars react so quickly and with minimum tolerances that even in RL you need superfast cameras to catch the details. The movement is in there but the camera speed just can't capture it in enough detail to reproduce it in the framerates needed to show you the components moving . . . . *Deep breath*.

Good vid though. I love the way the car moves and squirmes around. S'great. Just like the real thing.

Ciao . . . . .

Quote from Becky Rose :

Being somebody who preffers an understeering car (just call me Alonso! ) I actually went quicker strait out of the box, but tweeking the car setups has enabled me to go even faster. I still can't drive anyone elses setups though, although other people are finding my understeering Fox is easier to drive than pre patch.

I'm still in two minds as to whether it is satisfying to be beaten by somebody using my own setup !

I make my own sets as well, and to be honest it's kinda poetic if someone beats you with your setup . . . kinda backhanded compliment.

Although I must admit that if I give my setups out I might adjust the downforce or lower the tyre pressure slightly. Can't be having to many people wipping my arse now can we . . . .

TBH, most of my sets seem to have operated in 'T' form quite well. As a mouser my sets have to be good in the control front anyway (With very little in the way of exploite settings) so maybe compared to the loose WR sets my setups grant me a small advantage with the new physics.

other than stiffening the suspension, increasing tyre pressure and reducing down force my sets seem to be performing very well. Surprisingly will in fact. Hopefully after some more driving I can really get to grips with the minutae and get some good times going . . .

Yea. Thats where it stems from I think. They worked out that even down to what shirts the away kit was changed how a team played . . . .

But anyway, thats hideosly off topic . . . Post a setup tip . . . . lol.

S'true too. Red really does have a scientific realation to winning and success. I'm sure there's another thread somewhere about that . ..

Having noticed a few people struggle to come up with good lap times whilst still using the old patch setups I thought I would jot down what I have done to make me competative. I hope you find it helpful, this does concentrate on the rear wheel drive closed wheelers. As thats what I drive predominatly, but I think some of the general principles will stretch to other race car types. This is just a reaction to some people who seem to be struggling in applying changes to the adapt to the new physics and tyre grip improvements.

Ok. This is what I have done. (These are very specific changes for the FZR and I am a mouser. A few times for you: 58.54 As Club; 1.42.02 As Nat. 2.14.02 Ky Long GP. But like I said, basic principle can probs be applied acroos many of the LFS cars. Except the F1, which I have no idea about and am still learning how to set the thing up, man that thing is fast.)

So.

1 - Lower and stiffen the suspension. As the high nose bug as been lessened if not eliminated and the low speed grip issue remedied then the suspension can be lowered and stiffened to quite some considerable degree. (To the limits given by the race track of course) Having more basic mechanical grip means a stiff suspension setup will not create an uncontrolalble car as before.

2 - Raise the tyre pressures. You can also do this by quite a bit, just raise them untill either the tyre wear becomes an issue or braking becomes a problem. This give you the benefit of greater straight line speed and more direct steering inputs as the contact patch is reduced and the rigidity of the tyre returns to more realistic parameters.

3 - Reduce downforce. Again becasue of more basic grip and the rear end being less likely to trip you out the race the downforce can be brought down considerable. Just keep reducing untill you feel the car slipping on the limits of adhesion and dial some back in if you feel you need too. With less downforce you have more straight line speed.

4 - decrease 1st gear length. With the rear rubber gripping so much more, bogging at the start has become an issue so reduce the length of 1st and increase the locking power of the clutch, more tyre grip, less need to compenstate with low locking power. For fellow mousers you could think about timming back 2nd and possible 3rd from you normal setting. Again this wonderful new rear grip means you can put more power down without the fear of stepping out, lower gear ratios means greater acceleration.

5 - Reduce rear toe in. More toe in, whilst increasing stability can leech away your outright speed. You don't need so much anymore to keep control of that wayward rear so bring the wheels back to the straight and narrow.

6 - Increase your braking power. Even mousers can get nearly 1500 N/m out of the brakes now(depending on tyre pressures and camber settings). I run 1440 on my AS. Nat setup. But that varies and mouse users need to keep the Braking power lower than pedal users . . .

7 - Fuel. I have noticed a decrease (In the FZR) of the amount it drinks. So check out F12 and bring down your fuel assignment to compensate.

8 - Colour. Red. It's proven to be the fastest colour. So change to red and you'll be knocking seconds off your PB in no time.



So. These recommendation are from me and predominatly for the FZR. I am not a 'pro racer' by any stretch. But hopefully it will help those around that seem to be struggling getting the most from the new patch. There are plenty more experianced racers who will give much better guides than this but I hope this is a good basic something to use.

I would seriously reccomend reading the manuals and getting to grips with the setups your selves, With the new patch the cars are handling better than ever and real world sensibilities are really starting to be applicable in LFS.

If anyone has some open wheeler advice, steering wheel user differences and front wheel drive settings that they find useful and effective please add them in. Anything we can do to make people more competative and stopping them from using my bumper as a brake is a good thing . . . .

Last edited by Funnybear, Tue 25 Apr 2006, 10:38.

The racing line don't go nowhere. It's there and will never go away . . . . It's part of the track design.

If someone has sent you a setup it'll appear on the connections list. Click on it and then just save teh setup with whatever name you choose. Then enter the pits and the setup should be there for you.

If you enter the pits before saving it won't be there . . .