weel techically it is true. Overheating itself does not cause excessive smoke.

Head gasket going would possible.

Piston ring going would possible.

Cracking yer block would generate some, possible.

Engine falling out could produce something dramatic, wreckage probable.

But overheating itself. It's a cause not a result. . . . that makes no sense. I'll try again.

But overheating itself. It's a . . . . . thing. that happens. Then other stuff happens afterwards. Kinda.

Damn.

That would certainly get the idea across. Like I mentioned earlier it's either got to be something that you do whole hog or you implement in a very simple but effective fashion.

But even that box needs to have differering degrees of flex. Not knowing how LFS deals with this does the 'invisible' chassis have wieght (ovboiusly it needs to but bear with me) and if so can that wieght be distributed fore and aft (Of course it can do this too, but I'm getting there) so you have a nominal wieght at the front and a nominal wieght at the rear, thus you can generate twist between the two wieghts given a certain resistance value within the 'box' frame. Thus this twist value could easily transmit itself to the suspension mounts in a very simplistic and already available way (I summise). I am assuming that LFS doesn't cheat at all with the suspension mountings and that the suspension can take information from both directions. If so then that would give you the impression of mass induced flex within the chassis structure.

But again, is it actually nessesary and would anyone other than the extreme hardcore, technophile ubergeek actually notice any disernable difference. I would hazard at not. Maybe within the remit of Rallycross it might be more noticable with the softer suspension and rougher surfaces.

Maybe it's a case of what we don't have we don't miss.

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Too late for that mate. you've let the Gene out the gas can. And he ain't going back in untill he's finished spreading jocularity and bonhomie everywhere he goes.

At least untill someone tells me off.

But if you modelled all the compenents needed you talking of thousands of interactions throughout the system. Scawen would have to become an automotive engineer to construct the chassis required. Sorry. The Lord Scawen would need too, which I'm sure he's already doing. Maybe. But with all those interactions not only within the chassis to give you an output but you have to factor that output into the suspension and vice versa.

Thats alot of calculations. All happening very quickly.

-Edit. Arrrgggg. Loosing the thread post plot. Can't keep up.

Surely chassis Flex would effect suspension occilations. Not only would the springs be compresing and releasing but if the chassis was flexing at the same time then that compresion/depression (sic) would be amplified or effected in some way that is way more technical than I can adequatly blag my way out of by sounding like I know what I'm talking about.

You can't generate a comprehensive setup with a car that suffers from too much chassis flex. Take you average family estate car. Crap engine, crap tyres and a chassis taken staight out of a John Deere. You take that around a corner at any speed and the Chassis will twist and flex acting like a spring, throwing you around the road like a pogo stick on acid. The Tyres don't have a constant force operating on them from 'above' for them to react against. So rather than dealing with the road surface alone you are giving them twice as much work to do.

Generate a chassis which is stiffer than a vicar at a swingers club and shove that car around a corner you can tune the suspension to the nth degree because you have reduced the variables.

Very layman esk and I would love for someone to come in with something techical so I can shut up and stop sounding so damn ignorant.

-Edit. Oh and I think it should be the Lord Scawen. Although that might get my into trouble for worshiping false idols. . . . No. I've given it a few seconds and no nasty lighting bolts or omnipotent voices and angelic hosts appearing from the ether. I reckon I'm safe.

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So is Chassis flex doable from a CPU point of view?

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Racing car sir? Really sir? Taking it out for an early morning spin sir? No room for the lady friend sir. Going solo sir? Ooo. Sir. Suits you sir.

I suppose as this is a simulation that ever aspect of a cars performance and makeup should be simulated. Including Chassis Flex.

I think this is about whether certain elements of Chassis Flex could or should be implemented into LFS.

I for one think that Chassis Flex's actual effect on car performance within LFS is so negligable atm and the actual calculations needed too resource intensive to make it viable at this present moment.

But you never know. Lord Scawen might be thinking about it and have a work in progress racing about on the holy hard drive. But then Ithink he might be focussing on other things for the time being.

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Set of spinners for your open wheel racer sir?

How about some Ice?

Reckon we could get some nice subs in that rear spoiler.

Shall we tint your small piece of perspex windshield too sir?

Detonate where? The gear box? Rear axle? Up stroke? Down stroke? (I could really take this somewhere I shouldn't. But I'll only get myself into trouble again and the thread locked. So I won't. Not this time anyway.)

Are you talking about retardation or progression? Do you actually know what you are talking about at all? Do I know what I'm talking about?

To be honest with yer alot of race cars rely just as much on air cooling as they do a radiator (Extra wieght) and for a racing car to actually overheat whilst racing is fairly unusual unless the car has already suffered damge from an impact or somesuch meaning that any coolant/air movement is blocked and/or leaked away.

I mean if you are thinking about a F1 car lets go and the amount of smoke you get coming of that is not what you get from your average run of the mill racer. The metal used in an F1 car is so thin that half the time is probs a piston coming through the block or some such mechanical catastophy rather than an engine having overheated itself to death. When an F1 car decides to eat it's own engine everything gets thrown onto the very hot engine block, hence the copious amounts of smoke.

But then this wasn't your original suggestion so I don't now why I'm telling you this.

i'm probable wrong anyway. Anyone got any cheese? Wensledale would be nice.

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Ithought there was a bit of rumouring that Honda might have bowed out next year if the car didn't pick up it's performance. But that might have just been the voices in my head.

Neither. LFS all the way baby. Yea!


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Your right mate. Reading what I said about Shuey's tyres. It was something that Matey boy test driver commentator honda boy said about the tyres. He mentinoed that they where slicks for all intents and purposes. But the fact that he had no performance gain (in fact he looked to be goining in reverse mostly) negates any serious issues with the tyres.


But then I just don't like ferrari and Shuey. So any chance I got of bashing either or both of 'em I will take it and run with it.

Better than sex. Love it. He'll be in trouble when he gets home. just imagine Mr's Button 'Better than sex eh? Well you'll never have a chance to prove that theory now will you . . . Honey!'

I had a head gasket go on my Ford Fiesta once. Lot's of oil, water, a bit of petrol and some blue air from the language I was using but most of it was situated in the engine bay. Mind you, when it went I was generally too busy looking out the front and wondering what the **** had just happened than looking out the back wondering why I couldn't see any smoke.

What would be sweet is wastegate burnoff. That's not an official suggestion because I know it's been said many times already. But it would still be sweet.

And anyway, smoke is pretty cosmetic atm and so is an extensive damage system. Get the racing dynamics right and then I'm sure lord scawen will turn his attention to a ground breaking, comprehensive, innovative and godlike damage incorporation method.

I for one am not worried.

So does that mean they do suffer from Chassis flex or can you safetly say that chassis flex is minimal in Rollcaged cars?

As james Allen so eloquently put it . . .

GET IN MY SON!!!!!

Or something.

Saw the last 20 laps of the race so looking forward to getting home and seeing the start. But good on Button.

I think the reason why Shue pitted was to avoid some certain difficult questions over the state of his tyres. Which where technically slicks although I'm sure that becuase he had such a performance deficit it wouldn't have been a majot issue. But his treatment of Del a Rosa and heidfeld was just wrong. 4 seconds off the pace and even if you are racing for points you don't lord it around like that.

In a way I can understand him wanting to keep pushing. I would do the same thing. It is racing after all, but when you know that every other racing driver on the circuit would have let whomever past on that occasion it just sucks of Shumacher arrogance.

I hope he gets some places docked from next race.

But, way to go Button. Long may it continue. This should keep honda in F1 for another year at least.

-edit. And why are people getting their knickers in a twist over the thread. The race is run. Whats happened has happened. I for one wouldn't come on this site if I hadn't watch ed the race or was waiting for the result. You know it's gunna be on here. This is a racing thread at the end of the day. Poeple are going to talk about racing. Bit shortsighted me thinks. But saying that the title could have been slightly more sympathetic.

Also. To what extent can you simulate chassis flex. Would you integrate each and every component and work out the forces and the interactions between each compenent part. Or would you just come up with some arbitrary figures and implement them into the car model. Could the car model accomodate chassis flex and all it's movements and interactions without a dramatic influence on processor resourses.

Also, bearing in mind that LFS generally uses fully tooled up racing models is chassis flex such an issue. These cars generally have any chassis flex engineered out of them to make for the most stable platform possible.

I think, possible, is just how far you want to open Pandora's chassis flex box. Surely it is an all or nothing intergration. Either simulate chassis flex (Which include chassis simulation, ehich could lead to some interesting future car design. Particularily by us, the general public.) in it's entirety which could potentially eat up precious resources. Or as m,entioned just arbitrarily enter in some figures and roughly give some chassis flex influence.

But then I could be wrong about everything. just trying to sound clever . . . .

And . . and . . and . . . maybe you could have the hand of god come down and strike retribution and holy wrath upon wreckers and trolls.

Thats realistic isn't it?

Tracks are tracks. Either race them or don't. The whole point of a track is that it is what it is. With all it's faults, plus points and naked girls . . . Or is that just in my trailor?

So long as it's optional. If an Admin want's to be an admin on that day or not it's up to them but it is nice to know if an admin is active on the server or not. Would be something that I would look for when cruising for a good racing server then I know if it's being policed or not.

So it's a big + for me.

Let the Admins where their colours on their sleeves . . . or something.

Would like me to start posting on it . . I'll soon get it deleted . . .

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