Yea. Will be interesting what you can't do with the manual box when that get's introduced. At the moment the only penalty for rapid shifting is the rear locking up and giving you a free ride to the nearest accident.
As a driver in the real world I do know that going from 5th to 2nd is not a good idea. The whole idea of engine breaking is to be progressive and smooth. But a manual box is still better for that. Auto changes down too late to be any use.
As a driver in the real world I do know that going from 5th to 2nd is not a good idea. The whole idea of engine breaking is to be progressive and smooth. But a manual box is still better for that. Auto changes down too late to be any use.
What those guys said.
I managed to get really sorted by reducing the windows mouse speed, the steer centre reduction and the actual steering degrees of the car itself.
I didn't know about the hi res lo res thing so even I've learnt something today.
Oh and make sure you don't have any mouse acceleration on in windows. . . that really makes a difference.
I managed to get really sorted by reducing the windows mouse speed, the steer centre reduction and the actual steering degrees of the car itself.
I didn't know about the hi res lo res thing so even I've learnt something today.
Oh and make sure you don't have any mouse acceleration on in windows. . . that really makes a difference.
From what I can gather it will be back in the REnault next week. But did ferrari not use their Mass damping system this week? Would it have anything to do with Schumacher playing to his home crowd? Seems rather coincidental that it would be the german Grand Prix that had the removal of the Mass dampers and yet they will be reinstated next week.
I'm sure renault would have run them this weekend after the stewards overrulled the FIA but maybe Renault had already put so much work into getting the cars to run without the mass dampers it was too late to put them back. Dunno though.
I'm sure renault would have run them this weekend after the stewards overrulled the FIA but maybe Renault had already put so much work into getting the cars to run without the mass dampers it was too late to put them back. Dunno though.
What car holds the AS. NAT WR? I havn't checked but I would bet it's an XRR that holds it. The XRR is a very fast car and can deal with the FZR in the corners. The FZR is a very good ont he straights but show it a corner and it struggles in comparison with the XRR.
Do you race these cars together on many other tracks? Or are you just AS. NAT. racers? Aston suites the FZR because of the long straights and fast sweeping corners. But put it on a narrower or a twistier track then it will struggle. I think they are well matched. But even so, look at real life GT races. The Astons are always winning and the Lambo's are always spinning out. Should they be re balanced? Adjusted to compensate for any advantages or disadvantages. If you don't like the car, change to a differenent one. Or if you like the car do what I did and adjust the settings, fettle and test untill you have a car that can beat all but the best. It's a hard thing to too and takes some work but within the world of LFS it's half the game.
Do you race these cars together on many other tracks? Or are you just AS. NAT. racers? Aston suites the FZR because of the long straights and fast sweeping corners. But put it on a narrower or a twistier track then it will struggle. I think they are well matched. But even so, look at real life GT races. The Astons are always winning and the Lambo's are always spinning out. Should they be re balanced? Adjusted to compensate for any advantages or disadvantages. If you don't like the car, change to a differenent one. Or if you like the car do what I did and adjust the settings, fettle and test untill you have a car that can beat all but the best. It's a hard thing to too and takes some work but within the world of LFS it's half the game.
I don't see any reason to balance out these two cars. They are very well matched as it is. They are different cars with different characturistics.
The FZR is a very quick car that once setup correctly makes it one of the best cars in LFS atm.
The FZR is a very quick car that once setup correctly makes it one of the best cars in LFS atm.
Yes. They do only have x amount of grip. But with engine braking you can control the braking to the rear of the car much better (In RWD anyway. Don't ask me about AWD or FWD.) You can garantee that (So long as you are in the right gear) you will not lock the rear wheel under braking. And what with the fronts already taking as much punishment as you can give them, anything you get from the rear of the car to help is a bonus.
Engine braking can also make a kinda anti lock device as it inhibits locking point of the wheel because they are conected to the engine. That means you have that much more friction to overcome before the wheels lock. It might not be much but the effect is there. Thats why you should get all your gear changed over with beofre you enter the corner. Because by changing gear on corner entry, or engaging/disengaging the clutch can cause the driven wheels to react against the increased/decreased engine friction. Prehaps causing a lock up or a spin up.
If your driving front wheel cars then the difference between engine braking and/or using the auto box might not be so obvious. But with the bigger engines and cars, in particular the rwd's, you need every area of control you can get. That includes the manual box.
Engine braking really does make a huge difference.
And there will quite a few of them if you continue to race with an Auto box. Maybe on the slower cars you can get away with it but the difference in the Big GT's would be marked.
Nope. Manual. Learn how to use it. It is the best way to go.
I had a setup that allowed me to have the 'second gear stoppa'. Dunno if anyone else can or use it or managed to get a setup that allows it but If I was coming up to a hairpin or a sharp second gear corner I could wang it from sixth to forth. Allow the rear wheels to slow then slam it into second. The braking power that gave you was amazing. If you timed it right you could be off the brakes, turning in, out braking another car and onto the apex all from the second gear. Using engine braking like that was great with the FZR because it helped to keep that big 'ol arse where it belonged.
The Second gear stoppa. Used to be able to come from miles back and just slam it up the inside. People would give me room thinking i had over cooked it and would run wide. Then stare in disbelieve at my retreating exhaust pipes. Love it.
Nope. Manual. Learn how to use it. It is the best way to go.
I had a setup that allowed me to have the 'second gear stoppa'. Dunno if anyone else can or use it or managed to get a setup that allows it but If I was coming up to a hairpin or a sharp second gear corner I could wang it from sixth to forth. Allow the rear wheels to slow then slam it into second. The braking power that gave you was amazing. If you timed it right you could be off the brakes, turning in, out braking another car and onto the apex all from the second gear. Using engine braking like that was great with the FZR because it helped to keep that big 'ol arse where it belonged.
The Second gear stoppa. Used to be able to come from miles back and just slam it up the inside. People would give me room thinking i had over cooked it and would run wide. Then stare in disbelieve at my retreating exhaust pipes. Love it.
I found that decreasing the rear anti roll really helped throught the nightmare chicane. I dunno what downforce you are using but maybe you should look at upping the rear downforce slightly. Increase the rear toe-in should help the rear end stick throughout the track. I used between 3 and 4 degrees on the rear but then I was a mouser. You might be able to control 2 degrees or so if you use a wheel.
My 'system' for that corner was braking on the forth gear change light. I adjusted the forth gear length untill it came on at the point I felt the brake point was. Down to third, brake early but off the brakes to tuurn in. I found that you need to brake earlier than you thought to get the car settled and back on the power. In fact early braking was the most important issue in the entry to the chicane. I havn't played LFS for a bit now but I was running 1.42's with the new patch so I couldn't be all that bad for a mouser at least.
I think what you really need to work on is the brake point. Just try a lot earlier than your normal route through and work from there. Get that chicane right and it's amazing the seconds it gives you down the main straight.
My 'system' for that corner was braking on the forth gear change light. I adjusted the forth gear length untill it came on at the point I felt the brake point was. Down to third, brake early but off the brakes to tuurn in. I found that you need to brake earlier than you thought to get the car settled and back on the power. In fact early braking was the most important issue in the entry to the chicane. I havn't played LFS for a bit now but I was running 1.42's with the new patch so I couldn't be all that bad for a mouser at least.
I think what you really need to work on is the brake point. Just try a lot earlier than your normal route through and work from there. Get that chicane right and it's amazing the seconds it gives you down the main straight.
Unless you have uninstalled it and reinstalled over three times you should only have to uncock it the once.
If you've run out then you'll just have to wait until the new month starts.
If you've run out then you'll just have to wait until the new month starts.
Manual is definatly the way of the future. If you want to stay competative manual changing gives you a lot more control. I also think that auto changes gear earlier so with manual you can push that extra bit from the engine. Also you don't ge that annoying mid corner change when your struggling for grip. Manual lets you hold a gear through corners or quick change down. I am an FZR driver and the gears are an intergral part of getting the car slowed down. An auto box doesn't quick change to a low enough gear early enough to help you brake whilst with a manual box you can jump from sixth to forth then rapid shift to second for some really smart out braking manouvers. If you can get that right you can pull of some amazing out braking moves.
It is a nessecary skill to pick up if you ever wnat to head up the pack for any length of time. It really added to my race speed. I was a mouser so it was in the brake zone that made me competative. Without a manual box you won't be able to get it sorted. Plus whilst mousing you can't have the car unbalanced with a gear change at a critical moment. Particularly with a heavy rear engined car like the FZR.
If you want full control of your automobile and competative racing you will not give an auto box a second thought. Persevere with maual changeing and have a look at your gear set. You will soon find that you can't understand why you stayed with auto for so long . . .
It is a nessecary skill to pick up if you ever wnat to head up the pack for any length of time. It really added to my race speed. I was a mouser so it was in the brake zone that made me competative. Without a manual box you won't be able to get it sorted. Plus whilst mousing you can't have the car unbalanced with a gear change at a critical moment. Particularly with a heavy rear engined car like the FZR.
If you want full control of your automobile and competative racing you will not give an auto box a second thought. Persevere with maual changeing and have a look at your gear set. You will soon find that you can't understand why you stayed with auto for so long . . .
I did consider putting down nobody. But then thought **** it, I'll just conform to the stereotype and I put down Becky.
But mainly because she was the only female there (No offense Becky) I'm not too hot on 'wanting' to meet other men.
Did someone mention cookies?
I also notice that I'm not on the list. If I was I would have voted for me. I can't think of anyone else I would more like to meet than me. I havn't seen me in years. Would be great to catch up and see what I've been doing with my life. I bet it would be better than what I've been doing. It only seemed like yesterday when I said I was popping out to lunch and I havn't come back yet.
So I would like to meet me. Sorry Becky.
But mainly because she was the only female there (No offense Becky) I'm not too hot on 'wanting' to meet other men.
Did someone mention cookies?
I also notice that I'm not on the list. If I was I would have voted for me. I can't think of anyone else I would more like to meet than me. I havn't seen me in years. Would be great to catch up and see what I've been doing with my life. I bet it would be better than what I've been doing. It only seemed like yesterday when I said I was popping out to lunch and I havn't come back yet.
So I would like to meet me. Sorry Becky.
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See. Thats what I was saying. If you could find a way to broadcast the entire 'coverage' with edited shots and live audio coverage this could turn into something big. I wouldn't know what the technical side means you can or can't do but this has to be an option for the future. Could you imagine a virtual F1. All the teams would then want to get their cars into LFS because of the coverage they where getting . . . .
Dream Boys. Come on and dream. It's a nice place to be.
Dream Boys. Come on and dream. It's a nice place to be.
You gunna do live commentaries on the races for those of us that can't be there in person?
Would be great if there was a APB for any league race that you could listen to but can't watch. Or even watch and listen to commentary. All we need is a Martin Brundle-a-like whos knows about all the technical side of things to do with LFS, Setups and racing as a whole and someone like Jezzer Clarkson who knows jack shit but makes you laugh. I would listen to that.
Might bring some interest to the leagues. Make them more accesable and also make people more well known.
I might have hit on something here. If it gets good enough it could really go far. Get popular enough and the league could get a kinda semi-pro status with prizes and celebraty and all that kinda stuff. Could be a major development area for the Final release of LFS.
Cwor!! Good work brain. Have a nice sit down and a cup of tea. Don't want to strain yourself now.
Would be great if there was a APB for any league race that you could listen to but can't watch. Or even watch and listen to commentary. All we need is a Martin Brundle-a-like whos knows about all the technical side of things to do with LFS, Setups and racing as a whole and someone like Jezzer Clarkson who knows jack shit but makes you laugh. I would listen to that.
Might bring some interest to the leagues. Make them more accesable and also make people more well known.
I might have hit on something here. If it gets good enough it could really go far. Get popular enough and the league could get a kinda semi-pro status with prizes and celebraty and all that kinda stuff. Could be a major development area for the Final release of LFS.
Cwor!! Good work brain. Have a nice sit down and a cup of tea. Don't want to strain yourself now.
I was looking at it from the other way around.
I think that even if Hezbolla disarmed things wouldn't calm down. Sure Lebanon isn't playing ball but the over reaction of Israel kinda makes Hezbolla look like they are playing with pea shooters in a hurricane.
Lebanon is a democratically elected government. As is Iran and as was Iraq before someone sponsered a coup and installed a dictator.
Which means there are no. I repeat, no, fundemental elements to their government. I will say that there are if you are willing to admit there are fundementalist neo cons in your government. As have we fundementals and extremeists in our Democratically *Cough cough* elected government.
If my countries borders where like that of Lebenon I am sure some of my friends would be tempted to hurl a few rocks at the oppressors.
Did he kill me? Am I supposed to be dead? Why am always the last to know these things. Damnit. I suppose my top 20 list of things before I die is right out the window.
Edit - Am I holier than Thee? I think I might take that as a compliment.
Edit - Am I holier than Thee? I think I might take that as a compliment.
The UN can't just go in there. The UN is not an army. It's not a police force. I would have far more to say about the UN if it was. The UN is supposed to be the global concience. And Like all good conciences it has to try and spoil the party. If it didn't it wouldn't be doing it's job properly. The problem is that the UN relies on international armed forces to work within it's (The UN's) parameters to actually put in the foot work. How many armed forces around the world want to get between Hezbolla and Israel at the moment. None that I can think off.
So yes what the UN is saying is right. But without any one willing to enforce or back the UN up this will just continue.
The americans cant and won't go in there because they will be fighting their own hardware. Which would just make them look stupid. We can't go in there because someone 'yo'd' Blair plus we'd be fighting american hardware and that wouldn't look so good. No other EU state has a viable fighting force except for possible France but since they have a muslim majority then I can really see that happening.
So the UN can be as wax lyrical untill it's blue in the helmet but nothing they say (Unfortunatly) can be backed up. It's America that has the power to do something here. By leaning very heavily on Israel. But I really don't see that happening either. So it carries on. Israel continues to push it's forces into Lebanon. It will get alot worse before it gets better.
So yes what the UN is saying is right. But without any one willing to enforce or back the UN up this will just continue.
The americans cant and won't go in there because they will be fighting their own hardware. Which would just make them look stupid. We can't go in there because someone 'yo'd' Blair plus we'd be fighting american hardware and that wouldn't look so good. No other EU state has a viable fighting force except for possible France but since they have a muslim majority then I can really see that happening.
So the UN can be as wax lyrical untill it's blue in the helmet but nothing they say (Unfortunatly) can be backed up. It's America that has the power to do something here. By leaning very heavily on Israel. But I really don't see that happening either. So it carries on. Israel continues to push it's forces into Lebanon. It will get alot worse before it gets better.
I got one like that near me. Do you you think it's the same one?
The problem I have is that Israel wouldn't be doind this if they didn't have the artificial steroided up muscles that the West (particularily the very large bit of the west thats out there beyond the big blue thing) has given it. All for a supposed defence against the arab nations that it feels it is threatened by. If it just tryed to get on instead of being paranoid then life around there would be a hell of lot quieter than it is now.
This has the potential to start an Arab state war. They are talking about it. This really could boil down to a war of religion with the christian west crusading around looking for holy relics whilst the Muslim east sit there and wonders what they must have done in a previous life.
Israel has basically been given a very long leach and it's only now thats it's masters have realised that not only can it get into the next doors garden but it can unlock the back door and shit on the carpet as well.
It has simlies to a certain middle East dictorship which was sitting on a lot of oil (Damn. And I was trying so hard not to mention the thick black stuff). That state was supported and fed and given back rubs which was fine when it bites the neighbour but everyone is shocked when it turns on the hand that feeds it.
I hope Israel can be persuaded to pull out and reinstate talks as soon as possible but from all the indications they are mobalising an invasion force. Imagine what would kick of if they did invade. Even if they snaffled the Gaza strip back they would stir the wrath of every muslim state. Syriah is right there, Iraq is a stones throw. Jordans looking to get mixed up, who Knows what Turkey will decide to do. Egypt and Saudi Arabia providing some heavy wieght opposition. How far can American protection go before the world turns and says no.
And ffs whe can't our government grow some bloomin balls and stop sucking up to a man that likes Arran Jumpers. We got six war ships mooching around out there. Can we actually do anything other than sell ice creams and stop mad clerics from being rescued.
This has the potential to start an Arab state war. They are talking about it. This really could boil down to a war of religion with the christian west crusading around looking for holy relics whilst the Muslim east sit there and wonders what they must have done in a previous life.
Israel has basically been given a very long leach and it's only now thats it's masters have realised that not only can it get into the next doors garden but it can unlock the back door and shit on the carpet as well.
It has simlies to a certain middle East dictorship which was sitting on a lot of oil (Damn. And I was trying so hard not to mention the thick black stuff). That state was supported and fed and given back rubs which was fine when it bites the neighbour but everyone is shocked when it turns on the hand that feeds it.
I hope Israel can be persuaded to pull out and reinstate talks as soon as possible but from all the indications they are mobalising an invasion force. Imagine what would kick of if they did invade. Even if they snaffled the Gaza strip back they would stir the wrath of every muslim state. Syriah is right there, Iraq is a stones throw. Jordans looking to get mixed up, who Knows what Turkey will decide to do. Egypt and Saudi Arabia providing some heavy wieght opposition. How far can American protection go before the world turns and says no.
And ffs whe can't our government grow some bloomin balls and stop sucking up to a man that likes Arran Jumpers. We got six war ships mooching around out there. Can we actually do anything other than sell ice creams and stop mad clerics from being rescued.
My phone is set 10 minutes fast. I always forget in the morning so I'm always at least 10 minutes early. Great!
Or is that just me?
Or is that just me?
Lebanon and israel.
Ok. As the local political hell raiser I'm doing it here.
What do people think about what is going on with the 53rd state and Lebanon at the moment.
Very nasty business. Especially after that 'Yo Blair debarcle with Bush and the open mike.When will Blair turn and bite Bush in the Arran Jumper and show him the pitbull hasn't left these shores yet. Israel is wrong in it's actions. Hezbula is a 100 year old political party that was democratically elected. We should be defending the 'democratic freedom of these people' as somebody somewhere said.
Over 5 Billion Dollars a year get given to Israel just for the armed forces. DO you think they would be acting like this if they didn't have long range howitzers, F16's and oh, has any one mentioned the bomb? Shhhh. Weapons of mass destruction. We know where one is. Someone in the foriegn office read the atlas wrong. It wasn't Iraq, it was Israel.
Share your thoughts people.
Let me have a decent discussion.
What do people think about what is going on with the 53rd state and Lebanon at the moment.
Very nasty business. Especially after that 'Yo Blair debarcle with Bush and the open mike.When will Blair turn and bite Bush in the Arran Jumper and show him the pitbull hasn't left these shores yet. Israel is wrong in it's actions. Hezbula is a 100 year old political party that was democratically elected. We should be defending the 'democratic freedom of these people' as somebody somewhere said.
Over 5 Billion Dollars a year get given to Israel just for the armed forces. DO you think they would be acting like this if they didn't have long range howitzers, F16's and oh, has any one mentioned the bomb? Shhhh. Weapons of mass destruction. We know where one is. Someone in the foriegn office read the atlas wrong. It wasn't Iraq, it was Israel.
Share your thoughts people.
Let me have a decent discussion.
Having not used pedals yet. (I will when I get my next rig) I don't know about pedal stuff. Do you have full capability? I assume from your current chat that you can't slip the clutch or balance the car on the clutch. AM I right here or is LFS about to blow me away yet again . . .
Does that mean you get jetlag by travelling from one end of the island to the other? Do you ever get that odd accasion of meeting youreslf coming back later from where you are going to now leading to some confusion about whether the party was any good or not and leading to a whole paradoxical moment in existence when you try and decide whether to go to the party or not?
Ok. I'm happy now. Got paradoxical and existence into the same sentence.
My work here is done.
Ok. I'm happy now. Got paradoxical and existence into the same sentence.
My work here is done.
I'm sure he's very comfortable in his life choices Becky that you having your say wouldn't effect him in any way.
And I suppose an MR2 is a kinda chav upgrade. Then after that a subaru Impreza with a Nissan Skyline coming in after that.
And I suppose an MR2 is a kinda chav upgrade. Then after that a subaru Impreza with a Nissan Skyline coming in after that.
Guys, guys guys guys. Guys.
It'll take you years to learn what I have learnt. And that is. . . .
You'll never learn what it is you think you need to learn. The rule book always changes, the boundaries are continously shifting, the horizon is never as close as it seems.
When it comes to women just be yourselves and don't get hung up about it. It's easier said than done I know and you have to learn your lessons your own way.
But. If I have learnt anything from anywhere and anyone is that being yourself is the best way you can ever get through life. There is always someone out there for you it might take a while but hey it's a pleasant enough journey so enjoy the rides that come along. It's amazing when the old adage of 'when you least expect it' comes true. Try new stuff, don't confine yourself to the same routine day in day out. Grow some balls and get out there and do things you have never concidered before. AmDram or fencing. Chess Clubs or horse riding. Turn of the computer and try makingsome real friends in the real world. Working somewhere is great. Get a bar job or restuarant work. Too young then do kitchen duties. Lot's of young waitress's there. But then they are all after the older bar staff. But hey, thats just another lesson you gotta learn. Are those kinda girls who you really want or can you make yourself see that the quiet girl with no makeup and wearing glasses has just as much, if not more, to offer than the pretty pretty girls who know they are.
Just be yourselves guys and you'll be amazed what can happen.
It'll take you years to learn what I have learnt. And that is. . . .
You'll never learn what it is you think you need to learn. The rule book always changes, the boundaries are continously shifting, the horizon is never as close as it seems.
When it comes to women just be yourselves and don't get hung up about it. It's easier said than done I know and you have to learn your lessons your own way.
But. If I have learnt anything from anywhere and anyone is that being yourself is the best way you can ever get through life. There is always someone out there for you it might take a while but hey it's a pleasant enough journey so enjoy the rides that come along. It's amazing when the old adage of 'when you least expect it' comes true. Try new stuff, don't confine yourself to the same routine day in day out. Grow some balls and get out there and do things you have never concidered before. AmDram or fencing. Chess Clubs or horse riding. Turn of the computer and try makingsome real friends in the real world. Working somewhere is great. Get a bar job or restuarant work. Too young then do kitchen duties. Lot's of young waitress's there. But then they are all after the older bar staff. But hey, thats just another lesson you gotta learn. Are those kinda girls who you really want or can you make yourself see that the quiet girl with no makeup and wearing glasses has just as much, if not more, to offer than the pretty pretty girls who know they are.
Just be yourselves guys and you'll be amazed what can happen.
MR2? Chav mate. Completly chav. I'd rather have the MX5
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