ooooo. Good pic. He'll cherish that one f'shaw.
Ricky Chervais Commentating. Great.
What you want is one of the old playboys who could regale you of era's past and badly behaving drivers. Let's have Stirling, or Patrick Stewart. (No, thats wrong. I don't want to boldly go anywhere.. . . ) But you know what I mean.
Ricky Chervais Commentating. Great.
What you want is one of the old playboys who could regale you of era's past and badly behaving drivers. Let's have Stirling, or Patrick Stewart. (No, thats wrong. I don't want to boldly go anywhere.. . . ) But you know what I mean.
You can't sully the FZR by drifting it. Tch!
TBH if you look at the FZR's layout; big engine over the rear axle, powerful, wide rear track; I shouldn't thinks it's all that conducive to drifting. But then as I have spent most of my LFS racing life trying to get the FZR's rear end from doing anything but drift I wouldn't know how it reacts to drifting sillyness
Tell you what, if you want a challenge in your driving career try and get the FZR around AST. NAT. under 1.42 with a setup you made all by yourself. That should keep you going for a while.
TBH if you look at the FZR's layout; big engine over the rear axle, powerful, wide rear track; I shouldn't thinks it's all that conducive to drifting. But then as I have spent most of my LFS racing life trying to get the FZR's rear end from doing anything but drift I wouldn't know how it reacts to drifting sillyness
Tell you what, if you want a challenge in your driving career try and get the FZR around AST. NAT. under 1.42 with a setup you made all by yourself. That should keep you going for a while.
It ain't a 'ping' sound. It's definatly more of a pink. Pinkpinkpinkpink.
Calling it pinging sounds like your trying to tune a microwave. You yanks and the degredation of the english language.
To be honest Lala, you do sound a bit half cocked sometimes. I know I'm not the be all and end all but I don't try and blag my way through by pretending to know stuff when I don't. Actually, thats a blatent lie, what I'm doing is dumbing down so I don't appear to know everything.
Anyway. What was the topic again?
Calling it pinging sounds like your trying to tune a microwave. You yanks and the degredation of the english language.
To be honest Lala, you do sound a bit half cocked sometimes. I know I'm not the be all and end all but I don't try and blag my way through by pretending to know stuff when I don't. Actually, thats a blatent lie, what I'm doing is dumbing down so I don't appear to know everything.
Anyway. What was the topic again?
Your right in saying that the two structures will react in different ways. But for simplicity's sake surley the single backbone technique qill easily get the basic principles across.
Your box chassis has twenty points of rotation, 8 of which have 3 connections. Sure it will handle differently from the 6 point single backbone chassis (Which has been a technique used for many many years in chassis building. I renovated an old Triumph Spitfire which had a backbone chassis which we painted pink for some reason.) Your open box technique is more represtentative of modern spaceframe chassis.
But where do you stop? Monocoques? Steel, aluminium, carbon fibre, Titanium? Body shell involvement. Roll cages.
Is the simple chassis example good enough for all intents and purposes to get the general idea of Chassis flex without destroying the supposed behaviour of the cars and without complicating matters too much in regard to complexity, cpu load and the like.
With the three 'spring' chassis you will be able to get so many different handling characturistics just by adjusting the arbitrary figures on each spring and the rotational values on the connections. Surely as a simple starting point this would be more than adequate.
Your box chassis has twenty points of rotation, 8 of which have 3 connections. Sure it will handle differently from the 6 point single backbone chassis (Which has been a technique used for many many years in chassis building. I renovated an old Triumph Spitfire which had a backbone chassis which we painted pink for some reason.) Your open box technique is more represtentative of modern spaceframe chassis.
But where do you stop? Monocoques? Steel, aluminium, carbon fibre, Titanium? Body shell involvement. Roll cages.
Is the simple chassis example good enough for all intents and purposes to get the general idea of Chassis flex without destroying the supposed behaviour of the cars and without complicating matters too much in regard to complexity, cpu load and the like.
With the three 'spring' chassis you will be able to get so many different handling characturistics just by adjusting the arbitrary figures on each spring and the rotational values on the connections. Surely as a simple starting point this would be more than adequate.
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Thats all fair enough. But with the speed differential between Liuzzi and the Mclarens they where probable on him quicker than even he had expected, he stayed on the outside because with the Mclarens coming at him so fast crossing across the racing line to get 'off' he could have caused even more damage. Would he be more at fault for violently swerving or for staying neutral where he is. He had two Cars in his rear view mirror, both considerable faster than him, and like Kimi said, he didn't see Liuzzi. If he did he would have moved. Liuzzi's move is obvious and non threatening, Kimi would have got past him perfectly if he and Del la Rosa wern't mucking around with each other.
-edit. Did anyone else actually find the coverage a little difficult to follow? Is was a little sproradic. It was almost as if they didn't have enough camera's to cover all the circuit. The director was flicking about all over the place.
War will happen. People are greedy, people in power don't want to loose that power. It's a powerful thing, power. Even you and me if placed into a position of absolute power would find yourself doing or contimplating inexplicable things.
Wars will never stop. There will always be fighting. If you got invaded would you just sit there and say, 's'ok. Come on in. I don't fight, I'm all for peace. Here have my country, my home, my wife. It's all yours.'
Would you?
Wars happen.
But they need to happen for the right reasons. This defending democracy rubbish, this preemptive dealing with potential evil doers, this using religion as an escuse, it's all big steamy bull doings.
We (In Britain) arn't in fear of our borders. We don't have some megalithic dictatorship breathing down our necks. We live in a Kangeroo democracy and should hold our leaders accountable for his, sorry, their actions.
I've heard of a great new political party that has been formed by the parents and family of sons and daughter lost in Iraq and Afghanistan. People who died in wars and areas that they shouldn't have been in. The party is called spectre and they are putting forward candidates forward in all the constinuencies of Ministers who voted for the Iraq war. Which includes Jack Straw and Margaret Beckett to name just two. Labour have no great majority in anywhere now and I really hope that this Spectre can make real progress. They have already overturned a high court desicion not to have a public inquiry into the Iraq war. So in the autumn hopefully you will see William Goldsmith, Tony Blair, Jack Straw et al having to explain why we where lied too and why we entered into an illiegal war.
I am all for peace. But it ain't never going to happen untill you can take away the motives for war. And as long as there is money, resources and power to be had that will never happen.
And I for one wouldn't think twice about having a go at someone trying to get into my house. Although I wouldn't nessesarily go round to someones house and have a go just because I think they might come round to my house with that big knife that they might have brought but never did, or if they did they got rid of it really quickly, and I know they got a really big knife because I was the one who sold it to them in first place so I know the buggers got a really big knife hidden somewhere in his house because I just know ok. So therefore I'm allowed to go to his house and beat him up because I think he's got a big knife and he's going to use it on me. Well maybe not on me because I live to far away, but he might use it on his nieghbours, ok, more neighbours than he allready has. But I didn't care about that but now I want to build a driveway extenstion that runs through his back garden so if I go and lay into him a bit shouting lots about big knives and how that he might in the future come and murder us in cold blood whilst we are sleeping with the big knife that I sold to him then I can get on and build my driveway without anyone shouting at me for doing it. Great. Only I can't find the big knife that I sold him. Which is strange because it was a really big knife. I've looked everywhere, under the floorboards, in the walls, under the kitchen table. but it's not there at all. So now I've started looking nextdoor as well. Shouting alot about how if they have got the big knife they might come and murder me in cold blood whilst I'm sleeping with the big knife that I sold them. So whilst I'm doing that, I may as well get my driveway to go through their back garden too.
So I wouldn't do any of that. Because I'm a peacable chap.
Just don't come into my house with a big knife.
Wars will never stop. There will always be fighting. If you got invaded would you just sit there and say, 's'ok. Come on in. I don't fight, I'm all for peace. Here have my country, my home, my wife. It's all yours.'
Would you?
Wars happen.
But they need to happen for the right reasons. This defending democracy rubbish, this preemptive dealing with potential evil doers, this using religion as an escuse, it's all big steamy bull doings.
We (In Britain) arn't in fear of our borders. We don't have some megalithic dictatorship breathing down our necks. We live in a Kangeroo democracy and should hold our leaders accountable for his, sorry, their actions.
I've heard of a great new political party that has been formed by the parents and family of sons and daughter lost in Iraq and Afghanistan. People who died in wars and areas that they shouldn't have been in. The party is called spectre and they are putting forward candidates forward in all the constinuencies of Ministers who voted for the Iraq war. Which includes Jack Straw and Margaret Beckett to name just two. Labour have no great majority in anywhere now and I really hope that this Spectre can make real progress. They have already overturned a high court desicion not to have a public inquiry into the Iraq war. So in the autumn hopefully you will see William Goldsmith, Tony Blair, Jack Straw et al having to explain why we where lied too and why we entered into an illiegal war.
I am all for peace. But it ain't never going to happen untill you can take away the motives for war. And as long as there is money, resources and power to be had that will never happen.
And I for one wouldn't think twice about having a go at someone trying to get into my house. Although I wouldn't nessesarily go round to someones house and have a go just because I think they might come round to my house with that big knife that they might have brought but never did, or if they did they got rid of it really quickly, and I know they got a really big knife because I was the one who sold it to them in first place so I know the buggers got a really big knife hidden somewhere in his house because I just know ok. So therefore I'm allowed to go to his house and beat him up because I think he's got a big knife and he's going to use it on me. Well maybe not on me because I live to far away, but he might use it on his nieghbours, ok, more neighbours than he allready has. But I didn't care about that but now I want to build a driveway extenstion that runs through his back garden so if I go and lay into him a bit shouting lots about big knives and how that he might in the future come and murder us in cold blood whilst we are sleeping with the big knife that I sold to him then I can get on and build my driveway without anyone shouting at me for doing it. Great. Only I can't find the big knife that I sold him. Which is strange because it was a really big knife. I've looked everywhere, under the floorboards, in the walls, under the kitchen table. but it's not there at all. So now I've started looking nextdoor as well. Shouting alot about how if they have got the big knife they might come and murder me in cold blood whilst I'm sleeping with the big knife that I sold them. So whilst I'm doing that, I may as well get my driveway to go through their back garden too.
So I wouldn't do any of that. Because I'm a peacable chap.
Just don't come into my house with a big knife.
Liuzzi was doing what he thought was right, he moved of the line and slowed. Can't blame him really. Kimi ran into the back of him because he wasn't looking, it's an accident.
Watched the highlights last night. And now people are talking about it, yes, James Allen is getting a bit big for his boots. I don't want sensasionlism, I want a race commentary that is informative and entertaining. What you get from Shouty Allen is just innane drivel. I did like the Honda guys commentary though. Technical enough and emotive too, nice and chatty without being stupid. Nice to hear what the 'other' side say about stuff.
Watched the highlights last night. And now people are talking about it, yes, James Allen is getting a bit big for his boots. I don't want sensasionlism, I want a race commentary that is informative and entertaining. What you get from Shouty Allen is just innane drivel. I did like the Honda guys commentary though. Technical enough and emotive too, nice and chatty without being stupid. Nice to hear what the 'other' side say about stuff.
Pre-ignition I can cope with as with knocking and pinking. I know those terms amd I know what is happening. Detonation is a new one on me. Seeing as how detonation occurs in the piston anyway it's not a particularily good term.
Jammy, Jammy German. If he didn't finish he didn't finish. Jammy Sod.
How does shuey get a point if he was a DNF?
Or was he the last DNF and so gets a point by default?
Jammy german.
Or was he the last DNF and so gets a point by default?
Jammy german.
weel techically it is true. Overheating itself does not cause excessive smoke.
Head gasket going would possible.
Piston ring going would possible.
Cracking yer block would generate some, possible.
Engine falling out could produce something dramatic, wreckage probable.
But overheating itself. It's a cause not a result. . . . that makes no sense. I'll try again.
But overheating itself. It's a . . . . . thing. that happens. Then other stuff happens afterwards. Kinda.
Damn.
Head gasket going would possible.
Piston ring going would possible.
Cracking yer block would generate some, possible.
Engine falling out could produce something dramatic, wreckage probable.
But overheating itself. It's a cause not a result. . . . that makes no sense. I'll try again.
But overheating itself. It's a . . . . . thing. that happens. Then other stuff happens afterwards. Kinda.
Damn.
That would certainly get the idea across. Like I mentioned earlier it's either got to be something that you do whole hog or you implement in a very simple but effective fashion.
But even that box needs to have differering degrees of flex. Not knowing how LFS deals with this does the 'invisible' chassis have wieght (ovboiusly it needs to but bear with me) and if so can that wieght be distributed fore and aft (Of course it can do this too, but I'm getting there) so you have a nominal wieght at the front and a nominal wieght at the rear, thus you can generate twist between the two wieghts given a certain resistance value within the 'box' frame. Thus this twist value could easily transmit itself to the suspension mounts in a very simplistic and already available way (I summise). I am assuming that LFS doesn't cheat at all with the suspension mountings and that the suspension can take information from both directions. If so then that would give you the impression of mass induced flex within the chassis structure.
But again, is it actually nessesary and would anyone other than the extreme hardcore, technophile ubergeek actually notice any disernable difference. I would hazard at not. Maybe within the remit of Rallycross it might be more noticable with the softer suspension and rougher surfaces.
Maybe it's a case of what we don't have we don't miss.
But even that box needs to have differering degrees of flex. Not knowing how LFS deals with this does the 'invisible' chassis have wieght (ovboiusly it needs to but bear with me) and if so can that wieght be distributed fore and aft (Of course it can do this too, but I'm getting there) so you have a nominal wieght at the front and a nominal wieght at the rear, thus you can generate twist between the two wieghts given a certain resistance value within the 'box' frame. Thus this twist value could easily transmit itself to the suspension mounts in a very simplistic and already available way (I summise). I am assuming that LFS doesn't cheat at all with the suspension mountings and that the suspension can take information from both directions. If so then that would give you the impression of mass induced flex within the chassis structure.
But again, is it actually nessesary and would anyone other than the extreme hardcore, technophile ubergeek actually notice any disernable difference. I would hazard at not. Maybe within the remit of Rallycross it might be more noticable with the softer suspension and rougher surfaces.
Maybe it's a case of what we don't have we don't miss.
Companion? LFS dating?
Wicked!
Where do I sign up?
(I'm at work and I'm bored. Can't go racing, not even at home. Not got a rig and can't afford one any time soon. This is the closest I can get to the track. I love you guys . . . . )
Wicked!
Where do I sign up?
(I'm at work and I'm bored. Can't go racing, not even at home. Not got a rig and can't afford one any time soon. This is the closest I can get to the track. I love you guys . . . . )
Yep. Love. Def-i-nat-a-lee. Love. I got a nose for these things.
Too late for that mate. you've let the Gene out the gas can. And he ain't going back in untill he's finished spreading jocularity and bonhomie everywhere he goes.
At least untill someone tells me off.
At least untill someone tells me off.
But if you modelled all the compenents needed you talking of thousands of interactions throughout the system. Scawen would have to become an automotive engineer to construct the chassis required. Sorry. The Lord Scawen would need too, which I'm sure he's already doing. Maybe. But with all those interactions not only within the chassis to give you an output but you have to factor that output into the suspension and vice versa.
Thats alot of calculations. All happening very quickly.
-Edit. Arrrgggg. Loosing the thread post plot. Can't keep up.
Thats alot of calculations. All happening very quickly.
-Edit. Arrrgggg. Loosing the thread post plot. Can't keep up.
Surely chassis Flex would effect suspension occilations. Not only would the springs be compresing and releasing but if the chassis was flexing at the same time then that compresion/depression (sic) would be amplified or effected in some way that is way more technical than I can adequatly blag my way out of by sounding like I know what I'm talking about.
You can't generate a comprehensive setup with a car that suffers from too much chassis flex. Take you average family estate car. Crap engine, crap tyres and a chassis taken staight out of a John Deere. You take that around a corner at any speed and the Chassis will twist and flex acting like a spring, throwing you around the road like a pogo stick on acid. The Tyres don't have a constant force operating on them from 'above' for them to react against. So rather than dealing with the road surface alone you are giving them twice as much work to do.
Generate a chassis which is stiffer than a vicar at a swingers club and shove that car around a corner you can tune the suspension to the nth degree because you have reduced the variables.
Very layman esk and I would love for someone to come in with something techical so I can shut up and stop sounding so damn ignorant.
-Edit. Oh and I think it should be the Lord Scawen. Although that might get my into trouble for worshiping false idols. . . . No. I've given it a few seconds and no nasty lighting bolts or omnipotent voices and angelic hosts appearing from the ether. I reckon I'm safe.
You can't generate a comprehensive setup with a car that suffers from too much chassis flex. Take you average family estate car. Crap engine, crap tyres and a chassis taken staight out of a John Deere. You take that around a corner at any speed and the Chassis will twist and flex acting like a spring, throwing you around the road like a pogo stick on acid. The Tyres don't have a constant force operating on them from 'above' for them to react against. So rather than dealing with the road surface alone you are giving them twice as much work to do.
Generate a chassis which is stiffer than a vicar at a swingers club and shove that car around a corner you can tune the suspension to the nth degree because you have reduced the variables.
Very layman esk and I would love for someone to come in with something techical so I can shut up and stop sounding so damn ignorant.
-Edit. Oh and I think it should be the Lord Scawen. Although that might get my into trouble for worshiping false idols. . . . No. I've given it a few seconds and no nasty lighting bolts or omnipotent voices and angelic hosts appearing from the ether. I reckon I'm safe.
Not been with the missus for long then?
Monkey on a lead. Imagine the fun you could have. What kind of monkey?
Ahah.
Spider Monkey or Capuchuan? (<---- I love my spelling blags sometimes)
So is Chassis flex doable from a CPU point of view?
The lady doth protest to much. I think you secretly Loooovvvvveeeee him Becky.
You Luuurrrrrvvvveeee Kimi.
*Slap*
Man. I don't know whats got into me today. I got verbal dioreheaeaea. Diohaerra. Die . . . . That stuff that happens when you can't stop shi . . . going to the number two's.
You Luuurrrrrvvvveeee Kimi.
*Slap*
Man. I don't know whats got into me today. I got verbal dioreheaeaea. Diohaerra. Die . . . . That stuff that happens when you can't stop shi . . . going to the number two's.
Racing car sir? Really sir? Taking it out for an early morning spin sir? No room for the lady friend sir. Going solo sir? Ooo. Sir. Suits you sir.
I suppose as this is a simulation that ever aspect of a cars performance and makeup should be simulated. Including Chassis Flex.
I think this is about whether certain elements of Chassis Flex could or should be implemented into LFS.
I for one think that Chassis Flex's actual effect on car performance within LFS is so negligable atm and the actual calculations needed too resource intensive to make it viable at this present moment.
But you never know. Lord Scawen might be thinking about it and have a work in progress racing about on the holy hard drive. But then Ithink he might be focussing on other things for the time being.
I think this is about whether certain elements of Chassis Flex could or should be implemented into LFS.
I for one think that Chassis Flex's actual effect on car performance within LFS is so negligable atm and the actual calculations needed too resource intensive to make it viable at this present moment.
But you never know. Lord Scawen might be thinking about it and have a work in progress racing about on the holy hard drive. But then Ithink he might be focussing on other things for the time being.
Set of spinners for your open wheel racer sir?
How about some Ice?
Reckon we could get some nice subs in that rear spoiler.
Shall we tint your small piece of perspex windshield too sir?
Detonate where? The gear box? Rear axle? Up stroke? Down stroke? (I could really take this somewhere I shouldn't. But I'll only get myself into trouble again and the thread locked. So I won't. Not this time anyway.)
Are you talking about retardation or progression? Do you actually know what you are talking about at all? Do I know what I'm talking about?
To be honest with yer alot of race cars rely just as much on air cooling as they do a radiator (Extra wieght) and for a racing car to actually overheat whilst racing is fairly unusual unless the car has already suffered damge from an impact or somesuch meaning that any coolant/air movement is blocked and/or leaked away.
I mean if you are thinking about a F1 car lets go and the amount of smoke you get coming of that is not what you get from your average run of the mill racer. The metal used in an F1 car is so thin that half the time is probs a piston coming through the block or some such mechanical catastophy rather than an engine having overheated itself to death. When an F1 car decides to eat it's own engine everything gets thrown onto the very hot engine block, hence the copious amounts of smoke.
But then this wasn't your original suggestion so I don't now why I'm telling you this.
i'm probable wrong anyway. Anyone got any cheese? Wensledale would be nice.
Are you talking about retardation or progression? Do you actually know what you are talking about at all? Do I know what I'm talking about?
To be honest with yer alot of race cars rely just as much on air cooling as they do a radiator (Extra wieght) and for a racing car to actually overheat whilst racing is fairly unusual unless the car has already suffered damge from an impact or somesuch meaning that any coolant/air movement is blocked and/or leaked away.
I mean if you are thinking about a F1 car lets go and the amount of smoke you get coming of that is not what you get from your average run of the mill racer. The metal used in an F1 car is so thin that half the time is probs a piston coming through the block or some such mechanical catastophy rather than an engine having overheated itself to death. When an F1 car decides to eat it's own engine everything gets thrown onto the very hot engine block, hence the copious amounts of smoke.
But then this wasn't your original suggestion so I don't now why I'm telling you this.
i'm probable wrong anyway. Anyone got any cheese? Wensledale would be nice.
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Ithought there was a bit of rumouring that Honda might have bowed out next year if the car didn't pick up it's performance. But that might have just been the voices in my head.
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