You dissing our Mags? Shame on you!! (ses he the uber liberal)
Anyway. Anyone got a topic around here? I'm sure it was something to do with Tyres and particles . . .sorry, molecules.
Me sooooo bad . . .
Anyway. Anyone got a topic around here? I'm sure it was something to do with Tyres and particles . . .sorry, molecules.
Me sooooo bad . . .
Good point. Like I said, everycar in LFS atm is a piece of history. And as have been so eloquently put over the past posts is that each car has something very individual to offer. LFS isn't about racing just GT's, or just Open wheelers or just FWD's. It's got everything for everyone and it simulates to such a good degree that every car is what you would expect. Even though I am a GT RWD FZR fanatic I shall still go and drive a UF1 every once in a while just because I can. UF1 races are some of the best races I've ever had. It's somehtthing you can only really appreaciate once you've got competetative and race the highter classes that what the lower powered cars give you (Apart from good learning) is honest to goodness fun. And fun is where it's at. LFS really is that good.
So we all have to sit on a bar of chocolate?
(GB joke. A Topic is a chocolate bar here in good old blighty. Got peanuts in it and everything. Although does kinda take away from the joke if you have to explain it.)
(GB joke. A Topic is a chocolate bar here in good old blighty. Got peanuts in it and everything. Although does kinda take away from the joke if you have to explain it.)
I understand you Sammy my dear nibbler boy you. I think that was very eloquently put and I whole heartedly agree. Cheaters come from within the community so, unless it is a serious esploit, coding or somesuch bug, then it is up to us to make cheating a 'bad' thing.
But having said that, it's the same with suicide bombers. If someone wants to do it, they will find a way of doing it. You can't protect everyone all of the time, it's just impossible. What you can do is minimise the risk as Sammy said, just play on protected servers that have good security measures in place, empty all your pockets before hand and don't try and take your Zippo lighter that was given to you by your daughter for fathers day (Inscribed and everything) onto the plane. Even if it is the only lighter you have on you. The guys with guns don't like it when you get a bit upety. They don't have much of a sense of humour.
But anyway, yes. We should play on well admined, well policed servers that play an intergral role in keeoing cheating to a minimum. Prehaps we should instigate an Fight Against Cheating Office (or F.A.C. Off).
It's up to us, it's up to you . . . .
But having said that, it's the same with suicide bombers. If someone wants to do it, they will find a way of doing it. You can't protect everyone all of the time, it's just impossible. What you can do is minimise the risk as Sammy said, just play on protected servers that have good security measures in place, empty all your pockets before hand and don't try and take your Zippo lighter that was given to you by your daughter for fathers day (Inscribed and everything) onto the plane. Even if it is the only lighter you have on you. The guys with guns don't like it when you get a bit upety. They don't have much of a sense of humour.
But anyway, yes. We should play on well admined, well policed servers that play an intergral role in keeoing cheating to a minimum. Prehaps we should instigate an Fight Against Cheating Office (or F.A.C. Off).
It's up to us, it's up to you . . . .
Nothing like a good bout of public humiliation. Bring back the stocks I say, hang a sign on his neck and cover him in honey. Nothing like a firm hand in these matters. In my day you would have been whipped to within an inch of your life. And that was just for answering back. Aye, kids nowadays don't know how lucky they are . . . .
Got toothache. Not sleeping atm. So, nana na na naaaaaa.
OMG! is he a mod now?
I'm sorry Mr Bob the Moderator. It was all meant in good humour. Please don't take offense Mr Bob the Moderator I am truly very, humberly, crawlingly, gut achingly, fly's open over glass-ly, most appologetically sorry.
(Do think that placated him slightly?)
OMG! is he a mod now?
I'm sorry Mr Bob the Moderator. It was all meant in good humour. Please don't take offense Mr Bob the Moderator I am truly very, humberly, crawlingly, gut achingly, fly's open over glass-ly, most appologetically sorry.
(Do think that placated him slightly?)
I don't feel there would be any good reason to retire any motors from LFS. They all make up the glorious tapestry that is the world of LFS.
Remember that just because you don't drive a certain track/car combo doesn't mean that other people don't. I was a FZR As.NAt man, as well as Kyoto but I know many people hated that 'the same as everyone else' feeling. But I can't stand the single seaters, many poeple won't hear a word said against them. That's what makes LFS the way it is, that is how good LFS is. That we can enter into a discussion about whether a car has merits or not in a way that you would never get in any other racing games/simulations.
And for the record . . . RWD got the soul and the groove with some stink thrown in for good measure and not only James Brown behind the wheel but with Howling Wolf, Stevie Wonder and the cool slippery slidy blues undertones of BB king riding shotgun.
Fwd . . . .well, thats got more of your chemical brothers, Aphex Twin, Orbital and Sneaker Pimps feel. Alright for a night out and a blast around town but most likely leave you with a headache in the morning.
AWD . . . See, no thats your safe option. Middle of the road with Dido fronting metallica. Massive attack playing backing to Def Leppard. Eric Clapton playing the lead guitar in AC/DC. It's got a bit of bark but you know it won't turn and stab you in the back. AWD is something you would take home to meet your mom.
I'm most definatly a RWD man. Mid engined preferable.
Remember that just because you don't drive a certain track/car combo doesn't mean that other people don't. I was a FZR As.NAt man, as well as Kyoto but I know many people hated that 'the same as everyone else' feeling. But I can't stand the single seaters, many poeple won't hear a word said against them. That's what makes LFS the way it is, that is how good LFS is. That we can enter into a discussion about whether a car has merits or not in a way that you would never get in any other racing games/simulations.
And for the record . . . RWD got the soul and the groove with some stink thrown in for good measure and not only James Brown behind the wheel but with Howling Wolf, Stevie Wonder and the cool slippery slidy blues undertones of BB king riding shotgun.
Fwd . . . .well, thats got more of your chemical brothers, Aphex Twin, Orbital and Sneaker Pimps feel. Alright for a night out and a blast around town but most likely leave you with a headache in the morning.
AWD . . . See, no thats your safe option. Middle of the road with Dido fronting metallica. Massive attack playing backing to Def Leppard. Eric Clapton playing the lead guitar in AC/DC. It's got a bit of bark but you know it won't turn and stab you in the back. AWD is something you would take home to meet your mom.
I'm most definatly a RWD man. Mid engined preferable.
I am assuming there is a clause in the purchase agreement that states that if you are found to be cheating then all online accounts appertaining to your user name will be deleted. A further purchase would be required to activate a new account. Thus only offline play is achievable through the data already purchased . . . .
If there isn't a clause such as that one, there should be. Surely if it's part of the user purchase agreement then there is nothing that a 'cheater' can do about having the online account terminated. I think that is fair enough.
Appologise if this actually is the case, I'm useless at checking my facts. Actually, I'm not useless. I just can't be bothered half the time.
If there isn't a clause such as that one, there should be. Surely if it's part of the user purchase agreement then there is nothing that a 'cheater' can do about having the online account terminated. I think that is fair enough.
Appologise if this actually is the case, I'm useless at checking my facts. Actually, I'm not useless. I just can't be bothered half the time.
As mentioned mate, the keyboard is not going to give best control inputs for you to handle a higher powered rear wheel drive car. Espeacially if you are considereing getting S2 and you move onto bigger and faster cars. (Which everyone will thouroughly recommend). If you have no intention of buying a wheel (Which is fair enough, there are some very fast mousers out there so a wheel is not the be all and end all) then you really should learn to use the mouse. My favoured setup was mouse buttons for acc. and decell. and the mouse for steer which left my left hand free for gear changes and any keyboard stuff that needed doing.
It will take a bit of getting used to but it really is worth the effort if you want to be able to compete with the fast guys. Let us know if you are going to make the change because there are a number of things you can do that will make mousing easier.
(If we don't get back to you if you reply and start using the mouse it's a good idea to reduce your windows mouse speed and take off any acc. in the settings. LFS takes it's mouse speed from windows, it will help no end by slowing everything down somewhat if you adjust in windows first then work things out in LFS.)
Looking at that the first thing I would have said was your front downforce was a bit on the high side. Although not by much for Blackwood. I was not a huge fan of blackwood and my times there reflect that 1.08.something. What I did notice about BW GP was that first corner and chicane section before the straight. My best times always came from getting that section right, although I was always a good half second to a second of the fastest pace through there but I made up a hell of a lot of time through the back section. With the FZR and high Coast lock (Like I have mentioned before I ran coast nearly at maximum, it worked for me.) You could ram that baby into second on the approach to the first corner and it would stop on a dime and allow you great turn in whilst still engine braking, but I could never get a good exit from that because I could never get the power down well enough, I sloved that by early change to third on the exit and using thrid through the chicane. The revs would be a bit low on entry on T1 exit but they would on song just as you came out of the chicane, this meant I could keep the back end fairly tight but with the detriment of loosing a few tenths by not having second gear. But like I said, BW was not my favourite so I handn't donw a huge amount of testing there.
-A note on the second gear slammer-
I don't know if anyone one else uses it or can use it or whether it was just my driving style and setup but the second gear slammer was a great tool for a mouser to use. I could out break many pedal usersby using the technique. Maybe from the discussion here it might be an effect of the high Coast lock. For a mouser a high coast lock helps tremendously in fast braking zones by keeping the rear end controllable (At least in the FZR anyway) as does a low power on lock helps to soften the 'digital' input of the mouse somewhat. But the second gear slammer was something else entirely. It needs practice to get the timing right, but once you have it its a very useful tool. It is a classic out braking technique, not one I use for speed laps or general racing. But if you are racing someone then it's a beauty. Normally a pedal user can out brake a mouser by sheer dint of controlled pressure, but I found that softening my front suspension, letting the bounce have some play and a relativly low front tyre pressure I could get my brake force back up to normal parameters. Combine those with a high coast lock therefore relying heavily on engine braking I could quick change from 6 to 4, let the engine take the strain untill I judged I was slowing enough and then at the right point (To early you'll lock up the rear and you ruin everyones race, to late and you'll over shoot and make all the effort wasted) slam it into second, the car stops so quick that I thought it must be a handling bug. Which it could well be and with the new tyres it's even more pronounced. But it not only allowed you stop quickly but it still gave you enough control to make the bend with both a good line and good speed due to the fact that you are effectily trail braking with the engine so the front wheels are just concentrating on steering. Like I said, I'm sure this is not unususal and with the talk about the coast lock I think that might explain the behaviour, but it worked for me.
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First question I'd have to ask is why . . . Thats a pretty unusual combination your trying there.
And the second question is (if you can't get a setup from somewhere) do you mouse or wheel?
Then possible i can give you some pointers.
And the second question is (if you can't get a setup from somewhere) do you mouse or wheel?
Then possible i can give you some pointers.
[sarcasm]Molecules Bob. A partical is something considerable larger than Air molecules. Although I am sure there are some particles of dust, mites, human skin, oil and dirt rolling around inside a tyre but the air itself well, that would be made up of oxygen, hydrogen, carbon, helium amongst many others that will combine to make numerous Molecules of Carbon Dioxide, Water, Ozone, Hydrogen disulphide and lets not forget the ubiquetous O2 amongst, again, many others in differing quantaties. These are molecules, far too small to be deemed particles. And those molecules make up the consituant parts of Air.[/sarcasm]
Haaayyyyyy Thankyou.
Damn, forgot to put these in but I ain't going all the way back up there just to do it . . . .
Edit: that better Funnybear?
Bob
-edit- it was meant to be part of the whole feel of the phraseoligy and flow of the piece . . . It just ain't as funny now. *Sigh* An artists life is never easy . . . .
Haaayyyyyy Thankyou.
Damn, forgot to put these in but I ain't going all the way back up there just to do it . . . .
Edit: that better Funnybear?
Bob-edit- it was meant to be part of the whole feel of the phraseoligy and flow of the piece . . . It just ain't as funny now. *Sigh* An artists life is never easy . . . .
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And don't forget to take into account that they are to very different cars. One is a front wheel drive mini replica and the other is a RWD, front engined, turboed bugger to try and drive fast. You can't use the same techniques driving a FWD as you would use in a RWD car. Completly differenct dynamics involved. And that my friend is the the beauty of LFS.
But, a few pointers to get a RWD drive car to handle better. (I come from a mousing perspective so if you wheel then you could disregard some of them more technical aspects)
Firstly, handling. Slow in, fast out. You can't chuck a RWD car around like you can a FWD. The engine is in the front so all the wieght is at the front. The driven wheels need all the help they can get to keep traction so keep it steady. 'Feel' the car and the limit of traction you can't just put the pedal to the metal in a RWD. You need to ease the throttle and ease the car around the corners. You'll soon get it right and you'll appreaciate the driving experiance all the more for it. Prehaps if you mention whether you are a mouser or not I will help you get the best out of your driving if you use a mouse. Obvioulsy a pedal and wheel setup is less critical of throttle input.
Secondly, setup. (Obviously with a mouse you need to take other things into consideration. Again, let us now what control method you are using and we can get more in depth depending on what.) To give yourself a more stable setup is the aim here. As a beginner you want a forgiving, easy to drive set untill you get more confident and able to control RWD. As mentioned have a look at the Inferno sets (There are other's around too. I think Bob does some easy drive sets) but keep away fom the WR sets. They might seem appealing but trust me you will not be able to drive them. They have been tailor made by the WR holders and their styles and skill levels differ greatly from your own. Instead just keep it simple. I would really reccommend that you take some time to learn how to setup your own car. It may feel you don't have the time and that you'd rather be racing but setting up is as much a part of LFS as racing is. You will probable find that the better you get the more you will wan't to set up your own vehicles anyway. That way you can tailor your car to your driving. Also, by learning about how a car handles you can adjust to a RWD car easier because you understand why it handles the way it does. You should learn about wieght transfer, grip levels, dampening, ARB's and all that jazz. Because LFS really will reward you for finding out, LFS really is that good.
But you probable won't want to do that, you just want to be out there racing. So a quick fire checklist for you to look at in your setup. Actually scrap that, I need to know if you mouse or not.
Tell me that and I'll help some more.
But, a few pointers to get a RWD drive car to handle better. (I come from a mousing perspective so if you wheel then you could disregard some of them more technical aspects)
Firstly, handling. Slow in, fast out. You can't chuck a RWD car around like you can a FWD. The engine is in the front so all the wieght is at the front. The driven wheels need all the help they can get to keep traction so keep it steady. 'Feel' the car and the limit of traction you can't just put the pedal to the metal in a RWD. You need to ease the throttle and ease the car around the corners. You'll soon get it right and you'll appreaciate the driving experiance all the more for it. Prehaps if you mention whether you are a mouser or not I will help you get the best out of your driving if you use a mouse. Obvioulsy a pedal and wheel setup is less critical of throttle input.
Secondly, setup. (Obviously with a mouse you need to take other things into consideration. Again, let us now what control method you are using and we can get more in depth depending on what.) To give yourself a more stable setup is the aim here. As a beginner you want a forgiving, easy to drive set untill you get more confident and able to control RWD. As mentioned have a look at the Inferno sets (There are other's around too. I think Bob does some easy drive sets) but keep away fom the WR sets. They might seem appealing but trust me you will not be able to drive them. They have been tailor made by the WR holders and their styles and skill levels differ greatly from your own. Instead just keep it simple. I would really reccommend that you take some time to learn how to setup your own car. It may feel you don't have the time and that you'd rather be racing but setting up is as much a part of LFS as racing is. You will probable find that the better you get the more you will wan't to set up your own vehicles anyway. That way you can tailor your car to your driving. Also, by learning about how a car handles you can adjust to a RWD car easier because you understand why it handles the way it does. You should learn about wieght transfer, grip levels, dampening, ARB's and all that jazz. Because LFS really will reward you for finding out, LFS really is that good.
But you probable won't want to do that, you just want to be out there racing. So a quick fire checklist for you to look at in your setup. Actually scrap that, I need to know if you mouse or not.
Tell me that and I'll help some more.
Oh really! What a question. Landrover. There is no other.
Napolean or Wellington.
Napolean or Wellington.
Awww. Mate. We where doing so well. We have had every nationality here including an Israely. Everyone had something pertinant and constructive to say apart from the token American. It's a shame that the stereotype has to be reinforced so convincingly. I hope that you can use youth as an escuse, if not then you really need to reasses some of your core beliefs.
I as listening to Radio 4 this morning and the World service last night and apart from the fact the France will only send 200 peacekeepers into Lebanon which kinda reinforces my earlier comment about France not joining in (Kinda), I was interested to note that the israely Government is under investigation by the countries own judicairy over sleaze allegations along with the head of the armed forces being under investigation for corruption. I might have got the exact facts a bit wrong but I'm in the general ball park.
I can't remeber what else was said, it was late last night and I was half asleep this morning and I don't have time to run through Aunties website to check the facts. So I will just have to rely on sweeping generalisations and half baked comments. A bit like the governments in question.
I can't remeber what else was said, it was late last night and I was half asleep this morning and I don't have time to run through Aunties website to check the facts. So I will just have to rely on sweeping generalisations and half baked comments. A bit like the governments in question.
Can I just say . . . Wow!!!
I've just skimmed through this thread and although having not watched the vids and not read the longer posts as deeply as I should have I am amazed at the considered and above all educated posts that have been written here.
From what I can gather the latest is the cease fire but as is the want of the media, no bombs, no news. I will troll back through this thread when time permits and I can get sound working on this damn machine again. I am looking forward to being eduacted.
Hankstar, you truly have my respect for being a red crosser and the fact that we have had an israely giving us the 'other' side of the story as well is truly amazing.
I will return with a more considered post once I have taken on board what has been said.
My faith in true debating has been restored.
Thanks guys.
I've just skimmed through this thread and although having not watched the vids and not read the longer posts as deeply as I should have I am amazed at the considered and above all educated posts that have been written here.
From what I can gather the latest is the cease fire but as is the want of the media, no bombs, no news. I will troll back through this thread when time permits and I can get sound working on this damn machine again. I am looking forward to being eduacted.
Hankstar, you truly have my respect for being a red crosser and the fact that we have had an israely giving us the 'other' side of the story as well is truly amazing.
I will return with a more considered post once I have taken on board what has been said.
My faith in true debating has been restored.
Thanks guys.
Sometimes my first racing setup advice that is . . . soften your springs.
Maybe alright for an alien on hotlapping duty but for Joe Bloggs having the car stiffer than a vicar in an all girls convent just doesn't help.
IT's all about wieght transfer. Too much understeer? Too much wieght staying on the rear. Too much over steer? Too much weight transfering to the front. But is it under braking, cornering or accelerating. Change a damper setting for braking balance and you upset the exit. Oh, what to do, what to do.
Don't forget though, you don't just have bump settings, you also have rebound settings. I raced the FZR predominatly and that responded very well to adjusting the rebound dampers as much if not more than the bump dampers. The FZR needs a setup that can keep that big arse in a straight line and I found under braking having a high rebound damper setting on the rear allowed the rear to balance against the need for the front to 'duck' to allow effective braking.
Learn to fell your motor vehicle. Whilst testing allow the car to repond to your inputs without you correcting as you would in a race, then you can adjust any 'bad' traits out and balance your car correctly.
It does strike me sometimes that when racing the WR sets you are constantly fighting the car for control. While racing, especially longer distances, requires sets that almost allow the car to drive itself. You need to look after it and for that you need setup sympathies otherwise you will always find yourself outclassed.
It doesn't take long to learn how to setup. So I wold reccomend anyone to give it a try and learn.
Laptop getting ideas . . .
Right. Ready for this?
My housemates Laptop has gone into meltdown. It was fine last week but then my housemate took it away for a few days (Allowed, it is hers afterall) and it's come back knackered. It starts, then halfway through the windows load it goes to a BSOD which sais it's in an infinite loop at G3SNP or something like that. It doesn't stay around long enough for me to read it properly. It then restarts, goes to safe mode at which point I load up Safe mode with networking and this is where I am now.
So, I back date thingy to a few days ago when I knew it was working fine and guess what after an hour of watching a little bar crawl it's way across the screen it restarts as per normal. Everything fine cool and dandy.
But then . . . windows wants to update. Bells are ringing. I wonder, me thinks. I let it update itself this time and guess what next time it starts, BSOD. Same infinite loop thing again. So I go through the whole process again all at 2.00am in the morning because I have an Email to send before a deadline and low and behold it works again. So, Triumphant I think thats it. I turn of the autoupdate. Haha, I say, that'll get you. But no. Come down this morning, turn on the beast from hell and BSOD, same infinite loop. Safe mode with networking again. What else I cry plaintivily into the ether. Oh foul beast from the depths of the firey hell itself, what else must you plague me with. I do a virus check, I back thingy again and again, works great the first time I run the machine and then it goes right back to BSOD. I can't work it out.
(Apparently, according to my housemates B/F's housemate with whom I'm working with at the moment (I will be testing you afterwards) they left the computer on all night without sending it to sleep and on a duvet which was ont he sofa. He said it was so hot in the morning when he came down that he cold hardly touch it.)
So. What is wrong with this ere laptop, has it cooked itself or is it a software issue? Do you reckon I can fix it? It's just confusing me how it can work fine the first time and then only work in safve mode the next time. Can't figure it.
Help me. Or rather help my housemate. Actually help me because I'm going to get the blame whether it was my fault or not.
What are your thoughts LFS community?
My housemates Laptop has gone into meltdown. It was fine last week but then my housemate took it away for a few days (Allowed, it is hers afterall) and it's come back knackered. It starts, then halfway through the windows load it goes to a BSOD which sais it's in an infinite loop at G3SNP or something like that. It doesn't stay around long enough for me to read it properly. It then restarts, goes to safe mode at which point I load up Safe mode with networking and this is where I am now.
So, I back date thingy to a few days ago when I knew it was working fine and guess what after an hour of watching a little bar crawl it's way across the screen it restarts as per normal. Everything fine cool and dandy.
But then . . . windows wants to update. Bells are ringing. I wonder, me thinks. I let it update itself this time and guess what next time it starts, BSOD. Same infinite loop thing again. So I go through the whole process again all at 2.00am in the morning because I have an Email to send before a deadline and low and behold it works again. So, Triumphant I think thats it. I turn of the autoupdate. Haha, I say, that'll get you. But no. Come down this morning, turn on the beast from hell and BSOD, same infinite loop. Safe mode with networking again. What else I cry plaintivily into the ether. Oh foul beast from the depths of the firey hell itself, what else must you plague me with. I do a virus check, I back thingy again and again, works great the first time I run the machine and then it goes right back to BSOD. I can't work it out.
(Apparently, according to my housemates B/F's housemate with whom I'm working with at the moment (I will be testing you afterwards) they left the computer on all night without sending it to sleep and on a duvet which was ont he sofa. He said it was so hot in the morning when he came down that he cold hardly touch it.)
So. What is wrong with this ere laptop, has it cooked itself or is it a software issue? Do you reckon I can fix it? It's just confusing me how it can work fine the first time and then only work in safve mode the next time. Can't figure it.
Help me. Or rather help my housemate. Actually help me because I'm going to get the blame whether it was my fault or not.
What are your thoughts LFS community?
I moused from the start. Brake, throttle and steer on the mouse and gears on the K/B. Doing the gears onthe K/B meant I had one hand fairly free to do the whole F12/F11 and hot key chat thing. I was predominatly a FZR racer. Mainly because I saw it as a challenge. Someone once told me that you can't mouse the FZR, I think a 1.41.57 AST. NAT and a 2.13.74 KY GP LONG kinda shows that you can . . . . There are so many things you can do to be able to 'aid' you in your mousing. Some that have already been mentioned, but;
In windows, bring down your mouse speed and take of any acceleration you might have optioned. LFS takes it's mouse settings from windows.
Reduce steer centre reduction as much as you can. This again makes your steering inputs less severe as it takes off any wheel turning acceleration. (Also reducing the steering rack in the car setup will give you more control)
Race in Cockpit view (I would have thought that was a given) you need to see the steering wheel to judge turing input.
Take off any throttle and brake help you have on, it just gets in the way of you being able to set up your car correctly.
Which brings me too setting up, don't be afraid to change your setup. You can make the car far more sympathetic to mouse inputs if you change a few bits and peices on the car.
For starters, if you find exiting corners difficult with putting the power down with your digital input then there are a number of things you can look at. Lengthen the gear ratios for any given situation, spinning up in second exiting a slow hairpin then lengthen that gear untill you gain some control back. Increase the toe-in, I ran the FZR between 2-4 degrees, this will again increase the power on grip you have on corner exit. Soften the suspension, if you inherit setups from other racers then they will probable be wheel users, they can run their suspension alot harder than you will find comfortable. So try reducing the overall hardness to give you a softer feel. This allows the car to move around more and you have more margin for digital inputs to move around with. Er, anything else for power on . . . . . . reduction in tyre pressures, again the harder the pressure the more the car will figit and squirm, not good for mousing. Soften the pressures and the car can settle and allow some leeway with the digital inputs.
Braking. . . . I found that by having the front suspension set soft and lower tyre pressure (Although less so with the new patch) you can get away with alot more brake power than you think. The gears are also critical in helping you brake, if you are using an auto box I have one word . . .DON'T!! A small note about the tyre pressures though, try and keep the pressure front and rear as near as possible to each other. Have to much of a dyscrepancy and it can seriously effect the handling characturistics, tyre wear, temperatures and many other things. I notable found that having the rear pressures higher than the front would seriously unbalance the car on braking, making the rear bounce around and step out. Also dont be afraid to ramp up the downforce, it's a great settler for the car paricularily when you are playing with setups. Once you have things sorted you can slowly reduce the downforce untill you are on the edge again but then by then you will be adjusting everything else again.
These are just a few things that I took on board and worked into the car. Made me very competative but I also knew I would always struggle against wheel users, but I could still give them a run for their money.
In windows, bring down your mouse speed and take of any acceleration you might have optioned. LFS takes it's mouse settings from windows.
Reduce steer centre reduction as much as you can. This again makes your steering inputs less severe as it takes off any wheel turning acceleration. (Also reducing the steering rack in the car setup will give you more control)
Race in Cockpit view (I would have thought that was a given) you need to see the steering wheel to judge turing input.
Take off any throttle and brake help you have on, it just gets in the way of you being able to set up your car correctly.
Which brings me too setting up, don't be afraid to change your setup. You can make the car far more sympathetic to mouse inputs if you change a few bits and peices on the car.
For starters, if you find exiting corners difficult with putting the power down with your digital input then there are a number of things you can look at. Lengthen the gear ratios for any given situation, spinning up in second exiting a slow hairpin then lengthen that gear untill you gain some control back. Increase the toe-in, I ran the FZR between 2-4 degrees, this will again increase the power on grip you have on corner exit. Soften the suspension, if you inherit setups from other racers then they will probable be wheel users, they can run their suspension alot harder than you will find comfortable. So try reducing the overall hardness to give you a softer feel. This allows the car to move around more and you have more margin for digital inputs to move around with. Er, anything else for power on . . . . . . reduction in tyre pressures, again the harder the pressure the more the car will figit and squirm, not good for mousing. Soften the pressures and the car can settle and allow some leeway with the digital inputs.
Braking. . . . I found that by having the front suspension set soft and lower tyre pressure (Although less so with the new patch) you can get away with alot more brake power than you think. The gears are also critical in helping you brake, if you are using an auto box I have one word . . .DON'T!! A small note about the tyre pressures though, try and keep the pressure front and rear as near as possible to each other. Have to much of a dyscrepancy and it can seriously effect the handling characturistics, tyre wear, temperatures and many other things. I notable found that having the rear pressures higher than the front would seriously unbalance the car on braking, making the rear bounce around and step out. Also dont be afraid to ramp up the downforce, it's a great settler for the car paricularily when you are playing with setups. Once you have things sorted you can slowly reduce the downforce untill you are on the edge again but then by then you will be adjusting everything else again.
These are just a few things that I took on board and worked into the car. Made me very competative but I also knew I would always struggle against wheel users, but I could still give them a run for their money.
I am a wholehearted exponant of making your own sets. I will preach it from the highest curbstones and shout it to my racing brethren.
To some of you it may seem like you are taking steps backwards but my friends it takes you time to get your groove. It takes mistakes to move yourself forward. It takes slower lap times, bad lines and missed brake points for you to fully realise your potential. You may get called slow, you may face ridicule and derision but my friends, you will have the last laugh. It may come upon you gradually, or it may appear suddenly but soon, and for the rest of your racing career you will be guiding lights; you will be the steady; the true and the first.
But enough of that shit.
LFS takes real life influences to make the cars handle like they do in real life and in that respect you need to take real life considerations into account. You need to learn why the cars move and handle like they do. What happens when you decrease downforce, or soften the rear suspension or change the the ARB's. But the only way you will learn that is by reading the material and actually changing the car's setup. What you are striving for is a good 'base' setup that reflects your driving style and the needs of the race and the track. There is so much to explore, so much to learn. To err is human, to not learn from your mistakes is just plain stupid.
To some of you it may seem like you are taking steps backwards but my friends it takes you time to get your groove. It takes mistakes to move yourself forward. It takes slower lap times, bad lines and missed brake points for you to fully realise your potential. You may get called slow, you may face ridicule and derision but my friends, you will have the last laugh. It may come upon you gradually, or it may appear suddenly but soon, and for the rest of your racing career you will be guiding lights; you will be the steady; the true and the first.
But enough of that shit.
LFS takes real life influences to make the cars handle like they do in real life and in that respect you need to take real life considerations into account. You need to learn why the cars move and handle like they do. What happens when you decrease downforce, or soften the rear suspension or change the the ARB's. But the only way you will learn that is by reading the material and actually changing the car's setup. What you are striving for is a good 'base' setup that reflects your driving style and the needs of the race and the track. There is so much to explore, so much to learn. To err is human, to not learn from your mistakes is just plain stupid.
Lol. Well at least you are gentlemanly enough not to rip into me for degrading your english skills. I understood the last post just fine. . . 
It can get frustrating at times but the more you do it the more you learn.
Likewise I think setting up your own car is all part of LFS. I also think you will never get to your full potential as a driver unless you learn how to adjust and work with your own sets.
So hear hear to working it out yourself.
So hear hear to working it out yourself.
I have noooooo idea what either one of them does, did, will do, won't do, can't do, try's to do, cook dinner with, won't cook dinner with, throws dinner at, eats dinner, throws up dinner . . . . . where did I get dinner from?
Ok. Ok. I'm going for Bluray because at least I've kinda heard about that.
Dijon or wholegrain?
Ok. Ok. I'm going for Bluray because at least I've kinda heard about that.
Dijon or wholegrain?
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