Quote from Kalev EST :

Oh, a TBO league. Very nice. And short races. Even better.

If I have time, I´d love to take part. Please please please please please include Westhill Rev. It´s my favourite track for TBO´s.
(Along with So Sprint 1, So Sprint 1 rev and Ky GP Long rev).

Yep - westhill reverse is currently on the calendar and I agree - it's a classic. I can't see it getting dropped

Quote from Gil07 :

I'd be interested, as I can't make the late time of the GFC. Sounds interesting

In season 2 the GFC will have a slightly earlier start time of 20:00 UK local time.

And if you are not into Single Seater racing then maybe the GTTC (Gentlefoot Tin Top Challenge) is for you. Post in http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=552129 to express an interest.

Owing to the success of the GFC will introduce an addition to the GFC for season 2. I plan to introduce dual class racing with TBO and GTR classes for next year. The races will shadow the GFC season taking place an hour or two before the start of the main GFC races. The races will be around 30 minutes in length and the series will be known as the Gentlefoot Tin Top Challenge (GTTC). Go to http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewtopic.php?t=259 for more info.

The rules and judicial procedures will be identical to that of the GFC which can all be seen in the gentlefoot.com forum. Hopefully it will be as successful as the GFC too.

Start Date circa Dec 07-Jan08

Please post here if interested so I can guage the likely numbers of entrants.

OK so the majority of people like 30 minute races. I have taken this onboard and will introduce an addition to the GFC for season 2. I plan to introduce dual class racing with TBO and GTR classes for next year. The races will shadow the GFC season taking place an hour or two before the start of the main GFC races. The races will be around 30 minutes in length and the series will be known as the Gentlefoot Tin Top Challenge (GTTC). Go to http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewtopic.php?t=259 for more info.

The rules and judicial procedures will be identical to that of the GFC which can all be seen in the forum. Hopefully it will be as successful as the GFC too.

I voted yes and I will in the future. In fact I race exclusively in leagues and never on public servers.

I only race once every two weeks although I will do some pactice laps before a league race.

I compete and run the GFC which has been praised heavily by those who compete in it - see http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=30984

I am thinking about running an additional league alongside the GFC for season 2. See http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewtopic.php?t=259

I would be very pleased to see some new faces come join us

Quote from danowat :

Will certainly make more sence for me when the clocks go back (28th Oct), unfortunately, that only leaves 2 events, but I'll endevour to enter to those 2 events.

It has been raised a few times now. At the start of the season I held a vote for the start time and 20:00GMT was the most popular choice. However, I'm suspicious some of the people who voted didn't know that that was actually 21:00BST.

At the end of this season we are voting again to decide if we want to move the start time forward by one hour.

It would be great to have you aboard Dan. Another quality racer to add to the list

Interesting so many people citing the fact that the field gets spread in longer races. It dosn't matter to me at all. I'm always looking at the splits between me and the driver in front and trying to close him down or maybe the splits between me and the driver behind me who may be closing me down. The pressure it creates can be a real buzz.

For example, I was forced to pit on lap 9 of a 38 lap race in the GFC at the weekend which put me almost last when I came out of the pits. So I had to push to try and make back as many points as possible. Always watching the gap to the cars in front and trying to close on them.

At other races I may find myself in the lead of the class because maybe a couple of the guys who are faster than me at that circuit have made mistakes. That is a really tough situation to be in when you can see the gap shrinking. At South City I picked up some damage and was hoping to make it to the end of the race without stopping. The gap closed...and closed...and closed. I got it wrong, I should have pitted sooner.

All this kind of excitement only happens in races of 45 mins or more. You may not make a single pass all race or not have to defend but it is still a total buzz.

I was interested to find out what the general consensus is in terms of the length of races drivers out there like. I'm not thinking so much about public servers as league races. The problem with long races in public servers is that most people crash out

Anyway, I've created this poll.

Our GFC (read more at http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=30984 and www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum) races are 75 minutes which I find very challenging but also not too bad in terms of back and wrist ache

Last edited by Gentlefoot, Mon 10 Sep 2007, 11:28.

If you are the kind of driver who likes a real challenge then maybe you should consider dual class racing. In the spirit of Le Mans the GFC runs two classes of car on the same track. This means not only do you have to concentrate on the corner in front of you but also slower cars that you are closing on fast or alternatively much faster cars appearing in your mirrors.

In the GFC we run FO8s and FOXs in 75 minute races. See the following thread for more information:
http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3

Obviously this type of racing has to be strictly controlled to ensure a fair race for everyone. In the GFC we hold judicial reviews following each race for any incidents that occurred. This means drivers do not have to argue with each other over whose fault a particular incident was.
http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewforum.php?f=3

We adhere to rules such as no passing under yellow flags to avoid one incident becoming several. Here are all the rules as they stand:
http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26

The rules are clear and they are illustrated by footage produced for the judicial reviews. Decisions are made by the community as a whole by way of a voting system.
http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewforum.php?f=34

In order to be successful in the GFC you do not have to be the fastest driver. Instead you need to score points consistently over the season and finish every race. This is illustrated by looking at the current standing after 8 races.
http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewtopic.php?t=150

I also provide statistics and driver performance in this spreadsheet and some trend information for the season as a whole.

There are 4 races left for this season and I would invite anyone considering season 2 to run a couple of tests by racing in one or two of the final four races left of this season. This is a very different racing experience to other leagues and public servers.

All the drivers this season have expressed their enjoyment of this ultimate challenge series. Grids are usually around 20-25 cars at the moment so there are several places left for new blood coming in.

If you would like to join register at http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/ and then send your entry by following the entry procedure stated here:
http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewforum.php?f=12

Feel free to view some of the replays if you want to see some of the action:
http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewforum.php?f=33

You don't have to be the greatest LFS driver in the world to compete in this series. I accept all levels of skill and I have found that the rookies that started this season are now formidable drivers as this format of racing teaches you awareness and speed.

Last edited by Gentlefoot, Mon 10 Sep 2007, 10:19.

Results, statistics, replays and championship standings and driver performance have all been updated following race 7 of the GFC. See
http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/

I am now accepting entries for race 8 at Westhill International.

I change mine every time I change car. I like to be as narrow a FOV as possible while still allowing me to see around me a little.

All votes have been counted and verified

The penalties have now been applied to the GFC Standings spreadsheet along with a whole load of statistical information. You can now see performance indicators for any driver by using the "My Performance" worksheet. It shows round by round performance both overall and within class.

Where you see the big red "14" (I'm on row 14 on the "Standings" worksheet) enter the row in which the round scores appear for the driver you want to see, save and then reopen the Excel file. The data will be populated.

The "Trends" worksheet shows the performance of the GFC as a whole in terms of attendance.

Also there's some driver performance statistics based on how many drivers show up and how many people finish the race.

Let me know if you think it's helpful. It's quite cool checking out your competitors stats

I will add more stuff as I think of it

http://gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewtopic.php?t=150

Enjoy.

Last edited by Gentlefoot, Fri 31 Aug 2007, 10:50.

Voting is now in progress for the points penalties for race 6. Please visit the forum to vote if you are a member:

Voting is currently in progress for the judicial review for race 6. Please visit the forum to vote if you are a member:

http://gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum

Results and statistics are now available for round 6 of the GFC

Results and stats:
http://gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewtopic.php?t=218

Standings:
http://gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewtopic.php?t=150

Replays:
http://gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewtopic.php?t=219

Post Race Chat:
http://gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewtopic.php?t=217

I am now accepting entries for race 7 of the GFC at Kyoto GP long. All FO8 entrants may want to study my track guide for a nice fast time.

Quote from danowat :

Ok, so heres the deal....

Got the insurance money for my car, and I need to replace it, I have found 2 identical cars, both 2.0lt Turbo Diesels, both same age, same spec etc etc.

Car 1) 108,000 miles £3,995
Car 2) 65,000 miles £4,995

So basically, £1000 for 40,000 miles difference.

Which would you choose and why?

I'd buy whichever one my gut instinct told me was the best. Mileage is often irrelevant. I'd be more concerned with the docs, service history, who'd owned them and what was wrong with them after looking around them properly, getting underneath them and all that.

Also, who the sellers are and how they behave.

I know hurricane Dean hit Jamaica yesterday but do we really have to race in it in LFS? Fern Bay last night with high wind was just pointless. To stay on the track you had to take every corner at half speed or risk being blown off.

Aston Historic works pretty well around there.

Quote from felplacerad :

Oh so you DO have an edit button.

Don't bother applying!

I like looking at peoples statistics on their licences. It's good to see how many wins, podiums and races people have managed.

The ranking at the moment is by points and that's fine but it simply rewards those who spend most time racing. Those at the top of the ranking have generally done more races than those at the bottom.

What I think would be cool is if we could view other statistical information. An average number of points per race completed would be totally cool and a good indicator of a drivers race craft. If we could then order the list by different stats that would be even cooler!

Other stats could include:

Wins:Race Finishes Ratio
Podium:Race Finishes Ratio
Total Races:Races Finished Ratio
Points:Total Races Ratio

I'm sure there are others. All good indicators of the drivers skills.

I'm sure there might be other suggestions.

Didn't anyone watch this replay? Watching .define.'s race would be very useful for many people to see what it takes to be a top class LFS racer. The guy makes no mistakes for 75 laps yet still with incredible pace!!

btw - there are still 10 slots left for the upcoming race at South City Long Reverse on 26th August.

EDIT: Actually only 5 grid slots left. Sorry

Last edited by Gentlefoot, Sun 19 Aug 2007, 11:28.

I've just watched this replay http://gentlefoot.com/LFS/GFC5Race.mpr

and I thought this just shows what the GFC is all about. Clean good natured racing throughout the grid.

And .define.'s performance is atonishing! When you look at the stats
http://gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewtopic.php?t=207

you see he didn't cause a single yellow the whole 75 laps even with all those FO8s passing him and with the lap times he does. Remarkable driving skills I'm sure you'll agree.

Quote from banshee56 :

Check the track page in the LFS Manual. I've added the car limits as verified inside the sim.

Thanks mate - great stuff.