Quote from three_jump :

Where are you TBO drivers?

There are often a few of us on gentlefoot.com#3 and gentlefootTDRT

Quote from SamH :

You can see the current state of play at LFSW, and join the server from there if that's actually something you want. That way, you don't even need to start up LFS to decide if there's a server you want to race on. Pretty efficient!

Never use anything else

The two gentlefoot.com servers gentlefoot.com#1 and gentlefoot.com#3 run combos that are raced in the GFC/GTTC. These are quite unusual layouts generally.

Having said that they are both BL1 at the mo. lol

Usually a handful of us on them between around 9-12 UK local time.

Its the exception rather than the rule tho. If someone is lagging that bad they nearly always end up getting disco'd or just give up.

The question mark gives you most of that info and now LFS remote shows you a plan view of the whole circuit and you can even watch a plan view of the racing (if its set up on the server).

We were a few drivers short of the full compliment of 32 drivers at round 4 of the GTTC. There are still spots available for this race around Blackwood if any one would like to try out this dual class format for the first time.

The current entries are as follows:

1. Gentlefoot - XRT
2. DMR Martini - FXR
3. [TDRT] R.Kolz - FXR
4. [AR] Art - XRT
5. [RR]LineR32 - FXR
6. FPR | Pio#19 - XRR
7. ©[SR]Mp3Astra - RB4
8. spdoFiredUp - FXO
9. [TDRT]D.Gerards - FXR
10. [TDRT] G.Noll - FXR
11. [WBT]Myros- FXR
12. [WBT]hrabia - FXR
13. H.Vuorinen - FXR
14. Laudi - FXO
15. [TDRT] T.Jessen - FXR
16. [DR] Niall - FXO
17. [HR]StableX - FXR
18. count.bazley - FXR
19. Starblue - FXR
20. CR|R.Salama - FXO
21. [TDRT] M.Dunne - FXR
22. BenjiMC - FZR
23. kart38 - RB4
24. [TDRT] A.Thorup - FXR
25. Stefan Alfons - FXO
26. celtic100 - FXR
27. Virtual.Roedii - FZR
28. [TDRT] K.O'Keefe - FXR
29. M. vd Broek - FXR

If you wish to enter please register in the forum and PM me or use the entry form on the main site:

http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/

http://gentlefoot.com/entry.html

Further Info:
http://gentlefoot.com/GTTC.html

Last edited by Gentlefoot, Wed 27 Feb 2008, 14:18.

We were a few drivers short of the full compliment of 32 drivers at round 4 of the GFC. There are still spots available for this race around Blackwood if any one would like to try out this dual class format for the first time.

The current entries are as follows:

1. Gentlefoot - FOX
2. bozo - FOX
3. Johnny_Bravo - FOX
4. Kringle - FOX
5. [XOR] Wolfman - FOX
6. [XOR] nige - FOX
7. pswillies - FOX
8. [XOR] ((Onion)) - FOX
9. dbpStoney - FOX
10. [DBP] Flip - FO8
11. Rudy - FO8
12. spdoFiredUp - FO8
13. Storm_Cloud - FO8
14. Adam5k1 - FO8
15. FPRmatze78 - FO8
16. danNy - FOX
17. Laudi - FOX
18. [MF1]Matt Maslen - FOX
19. Agarash - FO8
20. Eddster - FO8
21. count.bazley - FOX
22. spdo.deFINe. - FOX
23. [MF1] Ian maslen - FOX
24. Starblue - FO8
25. Rudolfa - FOX

If you wish to enter please register in the forum and PM me or use the entry form on the main site:

http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/

http://gentlefoot.com/entry.html

Further Info:
http://gentlefoot.com/GFC.html

Last edited by Gentlefoot, Thu 21 Feb 2008, 09:54.

Quote from HVS5b :

Yes, but not everybody wants to or is able to commit to league racing.
It's a totally different ball game to pick-ups.

I've only been playing a year and a bit so am just getting around to trying the LRF cars, which is proving to be a proper challenge!

The flavour of the provious posts have been spot on imo, it's more tracks we need. Not variations or RL tracks, not more cars,just give us 3 new environments and tart up FB & WE Jobs a good 'un

Physics I can wait for, the way they are just now doesn't leave me feeling "OMG THIS IS ALL WRONG!!"

Surely the attendances are a bit cylical in nature anyway? I mean, after a dark, sh!tty January maybe folks raced quite a bit and are now racing less?

All that adding another track or car will do is create a short time spike in online numbers. We see the same thing every time a patch is released. It doesn't help over the long term at all.

Quote from danowat :

Thats all well and good, but the dev team have stated numerous times that they wouldn't actively advertise LFS untill it was finished, so don't hold your breath on that one......

I was thinking more of the devs finding ways of encouraging promotional activity rather than doing it directly themselves. Commission schemes or whatever. Get the community to do the work for them.

I'm not convinced a lack of track or car variations is the problem here. I think Dan is touching on the real issue. But it is totally natural for any LFS player to have a 'playing lifecycle' if you like. And players will join, play and stop playing again and the period in which that happens will vary depending on the individual.

There are over 900 combos to choose from although I do accept that some of them are very similar to each other.

The quality of the race experience is LFS is second to none in my opinion and while the crash detection physics are still well off and ofcourse a bit of lag thrown in exacerbates these, the physics and effects of setup changes are excellent. So it is these elements of LFS that you must have people see for it to be successful. And it must be targeted towards those individuals most likely to appreciate these elements.

One problem is that you need to have played LFS for a significant period to start to tune in to the physics and really appreciate them and the race experience.

But I don't think these great elements of LFS come across in the first impression that LFS leaves on a new player. I think this means many newbies turn away from LFS pretty quickly because the sound and graphics don't appear to be as good as some other sims at first glance. I think this is another element of the problem.

But I believe the biggest issue of all is simply awareness. I am not exagerating at all when I say I have never met anyone else who has ever discovered LFS independently of me. My mate showed it to me two and a half years ago and had it not been for him I would have never known about it.

Sure, you may find the odd dude on Piston Heads who has played it but as for the general population of the UK, no one even knows it exists. Not sure what the case is in Germany, France Holland etc.

Ofcouse Scavier doesn't have the resouces of a Sony or an EA Sports to promote this game but it still feels like the general awareness of LFS is simply too small to generate the online numbers required to maintain a decent public racing experience. And as that is what LFS is all about I think more thought and gyle need to be applied to activities that raise awareness.

So I guess what I'm saying is that you have to accept that players come and go. The most successful online racing sim will be the one that lengthens each 'player lifecycle' the most (which I believe LFS already does) and also promotes most effectively to groups of individuals who will most likely appreciate the elements of LFS that we all know to be so good.

I'd love to see LFS promoted at Trackdays or Motor Shows for example.

Last edited by Gentlefoot, Wed 20 Feb 2008, 11:36.

Can't seem to get a decent race in the FOX or the TBOs around blackwood tonight - what is going on?

Normally there would be Redline Racing or a CTRA server but everywhere is deserted.

Is it time for an LFS Community Club night? Not that I have time to organise anything.

As the title says:

http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewtopic.php?t=470

Quote from Starbert :

yeah, i drive horrible, but I am an Absolute Beginner
But thanks for your tips!!

Have a look at my site dude - the guys there are all very helpful to beginners. Also check this out

http://www.gentlefoot.com/trackguides.html

http://gentlefoot.com/LFS/improvinglaptimes.html

I know blokes who did 59 laps around South City Long Reversed yesterday - R2s lasted the whole race.

Maybe you are locking up a lot.

Quote from samjh :

Or maybe they have a better driver (Timo Glock) than a better car.

I doubt very much Timo will match Jarno in quali this season.

Quote from hyntty :

Honda can't do as bad as last season! Surely they'll rise... above Toyota.

Toyota have been as close as half a second to Ferrari's best pace during their cosy little tests together. I think Toyota will be a tiny bit quicker this season.

Quote from robt :

Hey gentlefoot. seems i didnt make the cut either lol. Hope you find a good team to go to. I'm on a semi-break from LFS at the moment but ill come find you when im back

EDIT: up for teaming up in the stock cup again?

Yeah mate - to re-kindle the RBR stock cup team would be cool

hehe - thx guys - appreciate the birthday wishes. My agent has not spoken to me about THeJOKeRz at this stage - lol

I don't register real DOB info so actually it aint me birthday

As for teams, I've decided to stay freelance for the moment. Having some financial issues and haven't got a lot of time to get on line in LFS at the moment. Seems a bit cheeky to join a team for them to only see me once every two weeks in the GFC and GTTC races.

So, I appreciate all the offers and there have been some great ones. When I have some more time for racing I'll be in touch.

Thanks again all.

Last edited by Gentlefoot, Fri 15 Feb 2008, 12:29.

still one or two slots left for these races.

There are two Gentlefoot.com races scheduled for Sunday 17th Feb.

The GTTC race currently has 5 empty grid slots. The GFC has 1 remaining empty grid slot.

There are usually a handful of no shows so if anyone wanted to join us on this classic layout then please feel free to enter. Plenty of time for practice.

If you would like more information about these events go to:

GFC Page:
http://gentlefoot.com/GFC.html

GTTC Page:
http://gentlefoot.com/GTTC.html

You can sign up by using the form on the website or alternatively registering in the gentlefoot.com forum and sending a PM to the administrator.

Hope to hear from you.

Quote from Electric Eye :

Oh, so you're saying that MOMO wheels have seperate USB connections for the PEDALS and WHEEL?

No, but there is nothing to stop u attaching two wheels to one PC through two USBs.

This is purely speculation and just based on the feeling I've had when I've used the low powered FWD cars.

Feels to me like the hybrids on the rear allow a bit of lift off oversteer without creating as much of a 'scrub' effect. So it feels like you can get the back a bit loose without scrubbing loads of speed at the same time.

When I think about the nature of grip and tyres the first thing I think of is longitudinal and lateral grip. Is it reasonable to assume that different tyre types might vary in terms of their longitudinal and lateral grip? If so it must then also be reasonable to assume that this may have an effect on the way the tyre behaves when lateral grip is lost but longitudinal grip is maintained? Maybe this has something to do with it.

Just a hunch and I'd be interested to know if the longitudinal and lateral grip characteristics of the road and hybrid tyres in LFS varies.

I used my old momo black with a saitek peddle set I had at the time. It was so that I could have a clutch but I could have also used it to get around the peddle problems that are well documented regarding the MOMO. Two USB connections, simple.

It works fine.

If you want to buy the peddles only then all the ones I have seen are real top end stuff and quite a bit of wedge.

Have a look at gentlefoot.com

A reasonable time don't worry. I can't check the replay because I'm at work but most people don't realise the final turn is taken flat.

Other than that, you will find you can shed seconds if you listen to the engine note and try not to scrub speed in the turns. Use all the entry and exit space you can and concentrate on unwinding the lock as you apply the throttle nice and early when exiting corners.