*Bump*

We were under the impression that there might be some interferences, if that is not the case, all is cool. But if we need to reschedule, we need to do so early.

Yes, the invitation still stands.

It was a bit of a misunderstanding in the lobby before the race. The rules are what it is supposed to be.

#02 - Ocrana gets a warning for not pulling their driver in the pits when he could not see other cars anymore resulting in an incident with another car.

In the future, such behaviour will be penalized by a stop&go for the crash and maybe a lap deduction for putting fellow racers at a risk.

After reviewing the replay, no penalty will be given. This is a racing incident in which both drivers made mistakes.

Replay of the first lap.

It's hopeless then. No one can help you.

He's got a point about the tracks, though. Especially in the Formula cars, LFS tracks mostly are "too" flat.

As an example: Kyoto GP, the Esses around split 1 should be designed in a way that they are 3rd-4th gear corners in that you have to fether the throttle in the BF1, not just plow through them flatout.

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16 cars, select 5 RANDOM FXRs, 5 RANDOM XRRs, 5 RANDOM FXRs and the top 2 from last year.

See, that is why you shouldn't b shouting as loud as you are. The 4 XRRs that were invited were all the XRRs that applied. There weren't 5 FXR either.

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It is simply a JOKE that teams are entered only by their performances in the previous system.

All new entries should be by either A) A vote on the existing teams. B) A public vote. C) Random draw.

Version c) may give you teams that may not even make it to the first race. We've seen too many teams split up way too early to allow unknown entities into the league. a) would give you no other result than we have, I am absolutely sure of that. Same goes basically for version b).

We always said that teams will be invited by us. If you don't like that, don't sign up. Agreed, there is a big subjective factor in this. To limit this factor, we have now introduced the support races for which we found a very competent admin with Scoop. Race in the MoE LFS GT and make a name for yourself, that is a better way of getting into the league than bickering and threaten us with a breakaway series.

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we most likely will do LFS GT if we wish, but its not going to stop us trying to organise a 'break away' endurance league

All power to you. Competition makes life better and gives both sides the chance to excel. Forgive me if I do feel pretty confident, though.

Masters of Endurance is happy to announce that gamer-FM could be secured to cover the whole season 2006/07 with its live video streaming.

g-FM, who already covered the latter half of the inaugural MoE season has made a name for themselves in the field of covering racing events of all kinds. The professionality it brings to the scene is a big plus for LFS and the whole sim community and a big step forward in promoting the electronic sport of sim-racing.

g-FM will cover all races live with well-known Michael 'Mika' Radmer at the helm. All coverage will be in English in order to reach all audiences.

Masters of Endurance is happy to announce the following teams were picked to race in the 2006/07 season:


*GRENTIS is required to nominate a 4th driver until Wednesday, 21:00CET. MoE reserves the right to nominate a different team if GRENTIS does not comply with this condition.

We urge teams that applied but were not invited to take part in MoE LFS GT. Experience tells us that not all teams will make it through the complete season. In this case, teams can re-apply for the open spot. They will only be invited if they participate in MoE LFS GT, though.

We hope for a competitive season in a relaxed mood and wish all participants the best of luck.

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These applications we have received so far:

1ST » Racing
Bandelnet
Clownpaint
Cyber Racing
GRENTIS Racing Team
HFD Racing
ITEK Racing
masterblasters e.V. Clanshells Motorsport
MG Oxygene Power
Muroc Racing Team
n!faculty
OCRANA
Pedal To The Metal Racing Team
POD - virtual racing
SciroccoPlayers
shock.fx
tHUNder Racing
Total Power Sliders (TPS)
Triple 7 Racing (T7R)
XFR Racing
Zincica Racing Team
Zwarte Wind Racing



If you sent us an application and are not listed, please contact us or resend the application.
This list is not the list of the invited teams! Invitations will be sent out either tomorrow or Sunday.

edit: updated by Frank

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On the start: you are seeing things that arent there. I have read of no opinion by anyone that has anything to say that would support your view.

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My point is that the flexi wings took ages before they were removed from the Ferrari. The FIA were stamping down on it yet Ferrari continued to run them without penalty nor threat.

They are still running them, just like anyone else.

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Renault had to remove the mass damper at the click of a finger and were told after that race meeting they'd be allowed to put it back on the car until the court case. So when Renault turn up with the device at Hungary they are forced to remove it as the car failed pre race scruteneering because of it.

You are forgetting that it was the other way round at Hockenheim. Scruteneering is done by the race stewards and not the FIA and of the three stewards two are changed for each race. So it is very much thinkable that the opinion of the non-permanent stewards in Hockenheim and Budapest differed. Nothing the FIA can do about that under the current steward-rules.

I do think, though, that the system used for the stewards is bullshit.

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This device has been in the Renault since the end of 05 and has never been questioned. Yet the FIA can just stamp there foot all of a sudden at a GP weekend and tell them to remove it.

Have you even tried understanding my post? I did not write a single line regarding the basis of the ruling and wether I find that acceptable.

I simply wrote why the FIA "all of a sudden stamped there foot". They weren't involved before McLaren filed the protest and they do not act without being presented a device and/or without a protest being filed.

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I've yet to see hard evidence of significant movement on the Renault wings,

I guess you havent seen any onboard videos from the same perspective as the Ferrari ones. That Renault's front wing was flexibel could already be seen last season. The only reason it became more apparent with Ferrari's wing was that Ferrari had the upper part of the wing touching the nose and that this part was bending away. The back lip of the lower shelf has been moving on all front wings quite some time now, not just since Bahrain when the issue got hot.

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Turkish GP start which I thought was very dodgy from Schumacher, in the end resulting in Fisi spinning.

Just one word: lol

Is MS now not allowed to attack the pole sitter when he is in P2 and/or defend his position? Must he look that no car that is behind him not spin? I guess he should better start from the back of the grid from now on so he can make sure none of the Super Aguri and Midland get affected by him turning into a corner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJQ0wpkus38

Maybe Fisico should complain to Alonso for cutting across in the way he did? But in no means had MS anything to do with Fisico spinning.

On the mass damper issue:

When Renault introduced the system, they did not present it to the FIA. They did not have to since the rules say basically "if you think it's legal, it is". Renault thought it was legal, hence never presented it.

This rule remains true until either the stewards or another team bring the issue before the FIA. Again, the stewards never did so, thus the FIA had for quite a while no reason to interact, after all, until the protest came, the device was basically deemed legal.

However, when McLaren (and pls do remember that Dennis isn't the biggest fan of Ferrari) presented the issue to the FIA, it finally had reason to decide on this issue. So there is really no conspiracy on the timing of the decision, it's just a result of rules that are pretty liberal but can bite you when you wrongly (in the eyes of the FIA) judge the legality of a device.

Wee. Thx Tweak. \o/

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You obviously don't watch F1 very closely, if at all.

Oh I do. I just happen to have more than a selective perception.

Alonso braketested Dornboos, period. There is no justification for it, period. No, being held up is not a reason you may braketest someone for. Even less so in a situation like he did it in. You blast MS for braketesting Montoya (I suppose you mean Monaco 2004), but you accept Alonso doing it?

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Alonso is as calm as you like

Right. Gesturing the international finger at another driver (Monaco 2004 when he unnecessarily drove into the dirty part of the track and hence went into the armco) or waving hands multiple times at drivers that supposedly held him up or braketesting people that supposedly held him up - under yellow flags, mind you - are sure signs for a very calm person.

Before we discuss Adelaide 94 over and over again, I'd suggest this read:

http://forums.autosport.com/sh ... d.php?&threadid=23482

It's a very good discussion without too many emotions playing into the analysis of the incident.

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I havent seen kovalainen race in GP2 but he really hasn't impressed me much in terms of testing and friday practice times

He'd have a hard time impressing you on Fridays considering he didn't run any Friday testing...
He did have a few best times on testing days. I do consider Hamilton as more promising as well, though, simply because he put up more of a fight in his GP2 championship run. His driving after he spun in Turkey was inspiring, but maybe even more so was his performance in Silverstone.

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He's the underdog because his car has been sabotaged

His car has been sabotaged? Please, get your head clear.

Besides, the outlook for Alonso is significantly better than for Schumacher:

a) He's two points ahead.
b) Next race is Shanghai, a track where Schumacher has a record of bad performances.
c) Suzuka is wide open
d) There is a significant chance of rain each year at either Suzuka or Interlagos which we, as saw in Hungary, will favor Michelin tires and thus Alonso.

Also saying that Alonso had the inferior package totally ignores the fact that Renault dominated the first half of the season, taking 7 wins in the first 9 races (6 by Alonso, won by Fisichella), so they had the superior car at least for half the season.

No matter how annoyed Alonso was by Dornboos, that does not give him the right to overtake under red and braketest the overtakee. Just as wrong as MS overtaking Kubica and Alonso under red. No justification for it, period.

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i do not remember Senna behaving like these guys...

Oh, Senna was only the guy that announced a deliberate crash and pulled it off in a 230km/h+ corner and still got to keep the championship.

About the ruthlessness: neither Alonso nor Schumacher are any better in that respect. You need to be ruthless to be a permanent contender, without ruthlessness you may win one championship by luck, with ruthlessness you will win multiple ones.

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I was surprised when the 747 flew over

The plane on the first plane-pic wasnt a 747 but a Antonow.

Masters of Endurance is very happy to announce that LFS GT will join the MoE organization to act as support series.

Races will be run on Sundays after the MoE event, except for the 24h weekend when it will run before the main event. Coverage of all races will be provided. Scoop will stay in charge of all operations for MoE - LFS GT.

More on the exact detail soon.

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