Quote from dan12s :

Its your choice guys, it seems sam's going through a rough patch... but look on the bright side... CTRA will be back better than ever. Well done for all the effort you put in guys

tbh dan the liklyhood of it coming back is small in my eyes, it may be somehting that happens but a suspect not

i dont know what to say and i feel a bit guilty that i was sorta one of the instigaters begin the argument that sam said made his mind up

im not really sure what im personally gonna do, unstructured racing isnt quite the same to me mayeb ill have to turn to leauges

tbh in lfs the yeloow flags have a differant menaing than irl. in lfs it stands as more of a' be allert of the situation' message than a strict dont pass system because the reasons for yellow flags in lfs are different

somehow i see it happening lol

as for the dtms being good racing, there ok, the best bit about goign and watching them is the noise especially the audis

im on vm and for my schooling need a line that is reliable and thats what i got, its also bloody fast andd as for sky, i had to set my sisters up and its awful and the security is wpa which oesnt agree with my sisters laptop and they dont give you the router access codes

np stable and s14 i totally agree about the supermarket thing lol, all im try to stop is people try to say is that mst the hard work was done by becky, she did do alot of hard work and is an excellent programmer but others have worked equally as hard

anyway that tbh is a bit off topic,

and im goning to bed lol cos im fing tired lol

yes i know s14, somehow i dont think ide miss the fact since i a aukct member myself

what i was saying is that the project was done by ukct and when becky was working on the system she was part of ukct. if she had worked on it while not it the ukct jack would be wrong

stable x: i am not disbuting the fact the becky was one of several key ingredients

i wasnt gonna get involved in this one but here i go

first of all its something i have seen coming for a while like a few people, and it doesnt suprise me that sam is tired of all the work involved with it, hell many paid jobs are less work, but what happens happens, and if the ctra closes, temperary or permaneant, it will only be because it was nessasary. im not getting to far into the money side of things but what i will say is that donations are surely a possibility and i think would prove to work but it depends.

to stablex: remember when the ctra app was made becky was a member of ukct so jack is intirely correct

wow dwb, those are great, and looks like a beautifal area were you live, i envy you enormously.

you said you were doing a review, do you do alot of reviews? and if so were can i find them?

lol that was legendry

lol bike+lorry populated industrial estate = fail

trucks are still a bikers worst enemy and always will be for that reason alone although newer trucks arnt as bad

Quote from danthebangerboy :

Indeed. Old volvo's and ford cargos. Pull a fuse out = Unlimited!

i didnt mean that old i meant more older (anything with a manual tacho really tbh)

just tell the tacho system it has smaller diameter wheels on it lol, gives you a bit more speed and it dont show on the tacho, but the new systems make this impossible(i think lol)

yh dan it is totally stupid on a dual caridge way, often you will see forein truckers doing it more often as they can be quicker depending on country, although saying that there were a few tricks in the older trucks to make em go a bit quicker

all i was saying is dont be so hard on truckers, yes here are some idiots out there, more than there used to, but dont just generalise all truckers driving on a minority

people judge truckers without really understanding

i dont think peopel often realise about trucks and about drving them, and how you have to drive them, with a truck one of the most important things is fuel economy especially with diesel the price it is now so have to keep slowing down ruins fuel economy, thats why if you see 1 truck try to overtake another, you will never see him lift of, ever

its worrying when your in the cab of a truck and see some of the stupid things people will do infront of a 40 ton truck

i think it would be more sueful as a system to use in multi class with the fastest going first because it would help stop different classes getting messed up at t1 etc and give accident chance to clear if the starts were staggered a bit

lol just bout it for the ps3 and its good fun

lol about the guy in the pic, when i heard about it i wondered what sort of things could end up hapening, if i did it ide point the camera at something else like a sign or something lol ill let your imagination run with that one

lol mike

the argument was over british snow not proper snow lol

lol i know someone with a rusty lol

edit to remove double post: i agree really bob, its changed severly even in my lifetime, its all the health and saftey hyperactivity, ohh someone might slip and smack there knee, wtf, especcially when you consider the brutality of some of the rugby pe lessons that happen when the teachers are doing the brutality part lol

Last edited by james12s, Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:27.

yes it depends on conditions weather its best to sit on top or cut down into the surface, bvut i think tbh depending on the situation 4wd can be a good or bad thing, well not bad but not helpful.

i just think that in snowy conditons 4wd can be a help, mainly because it would allow a vehicale to get out of conditions 2wd vehicles would get stuck in. i think there was a couple stories on telly about buses being towed out by 4x4's ?

Last edited by james12s, Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:00.

Quote from tristancliffe :

Roads aren't often totally straight. Some have corners. 4WD doesn't help on corners on roads - you still have just 4 contact patches, and the number of driveshafts doesn't change how much grip they can provide (well, it sort of does, but in terms of this discussion it is negligable).

ah yes i i must admit i do agree here, the ony thing here is that a 4wd vehicle wil tend to have wider tyres than most cars, there are of corse exceptions, but i used that as an example because these sorts of situations are best tackled at low speed, like small residentail streets.

edit: amp got it about right

btw tristan i was not talking about straight streches of road, i was talking about tigh corners etc which imo are the most hazerdoes

well tristan ide like to see you win that arguement with and experianced offroad driver r someone who drives in sever condtions regually

as for low range and wheel torque, yes you are right but the ability to travel at slower speeds and therefore having more control is surely the safer option

yes i agree its diferant but you get a feel for how vehicals cope differantly with situations

as for making 4wd work i mean how to use it

also you have to think another advantage with most 4x4's its the presence of low range and if people use their brains and use it it gives more precise control
edit: just a side thought, i would iagine from my experiance of autos that they would make life easier in snow due to the progrsseve transfer of engine power owing to the viscous coupling

well actually ui have driven in snow, on private land, and 4wd doesnt make much differacne untill it matters, you also have to know how to use the 4wd