Quote from Tweaker :

I've always seen this driving guide over at TurnFast.com --- http://turnfast.com/tech_driving/driving.shtml

Pretty straightforward guide to driving properly if you ask me

(The site goes down from time to time, so catch it while you can)

That's a pretty good site, but I'm still having problems with awkward zones with hand-over-hand (in real life), where the wheel needs to be held on the spot where you change hands.

Then there's that seating position. With my wrists on the wheel, the seatback is almost 90 degrees. I drove all 150km of today like that.

It's going to take some getting used to.

Thanks guys!

Quote from ORION :

ROFL this looks like a model aircraft had to sie for that

I actually build those too.

Okay not quite. But the things related to setting up devices for driving are nicely configurable.



Few pics here:

http://individual.utoronto.ca/ ... x/media/pedals/pedal2.htm

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I can use any combination of axis, buttons, and peripherals for any function.

Absolutely fantastic.

My in-progress home made pedals and mouse based wheel just wouldn't be possible with any other sim (that I know of). As soon as I'm done, S2 is mine.

Quote from ColeusRattus :

Allthough, explaining a joke always spoils it

BTW, I study journalism, so I have a clue about everything. And if not, I can at least very persuadingly pretend to

Hehe, I'm just a bit slow. :sleep2: I should probably read more newspapers. Or go drive some more laps.

Quote from ColeusRattus :

Advanced MAC Powerbooking? :P

I'm just a computer science student. I dont' have a clue.

LOL okay, you guys win.

But 1.33%? What are you studying!?

Quote from sil3ntwar :

obviously not a student

The cost of S2 can almost buy me half of a text book! That's how poor I am (or will be).

I really enjoyed the style of the review.

It may be a bit dry, but it actually lets you get an impression of the game.

I wish there was a game TV show that reviews games in this way, instead of the completely uninformative "trying to be cool and funny" stuff that we get now.

Yes, I do understand what you mean now. And it brings me a bit closer to getting that S2 license.

Quote from Nick_ll :

I'd also like to point out that for the thing to be really valid you would need to have the same inputs for brake and throttle as the driver did in reality. In reality until he brakes the gas is floored. Then he modulates the brakes and in the last part he uses both. In LFS throttle is modulated in the 1st part, then brake and gas and then only gas is used.

I agree, the driver is a big variable. Supposing the GTi is exactly like the Golf in the video, if the LFS driver deviates even a little bit from the video in terms of inputs and timing, it could set off a chain of events that make LFS seem less accurate.

Quote from DasKlee :

so if you look at it this way, it is a real bargain

Now compare it with... everybody's favourite punching bag, GT4. 700 licensed cars, a large number of licensed tracks, and the most realistic graphics of any game period. There is a lot of content in GT4. I do understand that GT4 is the software equivalent of mass production, and economies of scale allow the producers to spend lots for development, yet keep the price of the product(relatively) low. It is $60 CAD. That is a bargain.

Too bad GT4 doesn't drive well though, and that's where LFS comes in. LFS S2 at $53 CAD does not match that level of content, and I'm not sure if S3 will either. By this logic I think rFactor is overpriced as well, but it has the mod community behind it, and they can do great things.

To me, the LFS developer's seemingly relentless pursuit of realism is what justifies the cost of LFS.

I want reassurance though, and reading these comparison threads is a good way to get reassurance.

Quote from DodgeRacer :

That would be because you paid for S1 and S2 at the same time, if you had s1 already it would have only been 22$ for S2, which is hugely cheaper than most games with an expansion pack (in example sim city, its normaly 40$ for the base, then say another 20$ for the addon pack, whereas lfs is 20$ for the "base" and 20$ for the "addon", so yes, r factor is cheaper, but you are only paying for 1 game, in essance you paid for lfs plus an addon pack. I hope this make sense.

That's an interesting point of view.

I see S3 as being the LFS game, and S2 S1 as decontented versions. IMO it's quite expensive if you consider that in some ways LFS has a lot less tangible content than its competitors, at a higher price. It is a niche product, with a niche product price point.

Not trying to bash LFS. Just stating my point of view. I've been a demo player for quite some time, and I'm almost ready to buy. Almost. I'm cheap, and can only justify spending on one game. The price is one obstacle, and rFactor is another. If/when I do buy LFS, it better damn well be the best, most realistic, and a well supported sim with longevity as well as content.

I'm willing to wait a little bit longer, and hear some more opinions before I make my decision. Personally I love LFS. As objective and clear-minded as I try to be, I secretly want LFS to be better than rFactor.