Uhh... what's the problem?

It's a product refresh.

Who is saying that this is a successor product? And if Logitech marketing is, are you stupid enough to believe them?

It improves on the G25 and gives people who don't already have one more incentive to get one. I'm sure it's not aimed at existing owners. I for one am glad it doesn't make obsolete the G25.

However I gotta say that loosing the sequential is pretty dumb, as most sequential boxes should be lever actioned.

I am also curious why NKP isn't getting more attention?

No I am not considering the "he disappeared and pissed us off" argument.

Take it for what it is: a FREE multiplayer sim experience. How is that not at least hooking a steady base of casual simmers on the demo? No love for SS cars? I don't buy it. I don't understand it.

Quote from tristancliffe :

I used to have those 90° slides in 1.03 Mattesa. It was very odd. But nobody else seemed to. Now they've gone for me, but you seem to have them. Perhaps only one person at a time is infected, and currently you're 'it'!

I really wouldn't mind (in fact I'd prefer it) if it was just my imagination/driver induced/situational. It'd be great to if we we're able to find out definitively that there's "there's nothing wrong.". But wasn't the 90 degree thing explicitly mentioned as a fix?

Let me dig...

I gave it some more time tonight and...

Quote from MR_B :

The FFB thing, are you using exactly the same ffb settings? I've not noticed that problem, might be because I don't turn too much.

I reset my the FF settings in the Logitech Profiler and problem solved! The sensation through the wheel is definitely is a lot more intense now. Feels great! The FF on curbs (Prato) is quite violent. Perhaps not unreasonable so.

Quote from The Moose :

Here's my beta 1.1 v1 FF1600 set for Prato short (1.25.79)

There we go! Now this is more like it! Night and day different between this and the sluggish default set. The car feels a lot more alive than in 1.03. Thanks for posting, Moose.

Still, I'm having issues with 90 degree slides (not drifting, but the I-made-a-mistake type.) Seems like they're too easy to catch. Release the gas, full lock into the slide, and conveniently right around 90 degrees is when the car will stop rotating and start recovering.

Catching in something like the FBM in LFS is hard work and takes quick action on the wheel... what does the F2000 feel like in a slide?

Was it DaveWS that had some problems with oversteer in 1.03? The expectation that the car is settled and the oversteer event is over, but then a fraction of a second later it gives an extra kick in the opposite direction. I felt some of that happening today whereas I didn't in 1.03.

With the discount I might have to buy a license.

Tried it... and...

• What is up with the understeer!? I'll take it as a default setup issue. Will have to revisit once some setups get made available.
  

• The FFB "wheel gets lighter when understeering" thing is way way way over exaggerated. The wheel pretty much goes limp in your hands. That just doesn't happen. 1.03 was much better in that it was a lot more subtle.
  

• Did someone mention a 90 degree issue? Well the car does seem difficult to spin beyond 90 degrees. At one point I had the car traveling perpendicular to the road and with the steering neutral, the car slowly rotated back towards straight ahead. It didn't fully straight itself as I ran out of momentum and stopped, however the feeling was that the car changed it's rotational direction (from counterclockwise into the spin, to clockwise out of the spin) on it's own upon reaching 90 degrees.
  

In summary....

• I need more time with it with a better setup to evaluate the physics changes. Interface is MUCH better.
  

Last edited by Mattesa, Wed, 12 Aug 2009 02:48.

Quote from ATHome :

Yeah, 1 victory this year so far on an pretty unusual track for F1.

Why do you all of sudden think it will stay this way?

Maybe more F1 tracks should be twistier to de-emphasize the aero a bit.

Only 1G of deceleration with the wheels locked.

Quote from P5YcHoM4N :

Best ending to qualifying ever.

Alonso "What are you?"
Hamilton "21.7"
Alonso "I'm 21.5 "

"How big is your.... "

Well done Alonso!

I would like to see Webber win.

I.e to take first place.

That is all.

LOL at Monaco marathon.

Kimi was quite chatty there...

Martin Brundle was part of the commentating team, along with a girl interviewing crashed drivers during the race. What feed am I watching? After 6 races I'm not really missing the SPEED broadcast anymore.

Edit, there's my answer:

Quote :

Brundle, along with former team owner Eddie Jordan and former F1 driver David Coulthard will form the 'pundit' team for commentary on the BBC broadcasts of Formula One races from 2009 onwards.

There's no way Kimi is going to maintain his qualifying position.

There just won't.

Something will go wrong.



I also didn't cheer when Hamilton crashed out...

Nice video.

I have no hard numbers to say how right or wrong that is, but that last bit about "clutch in and recover" looks very very off indeed.

Quote from anttt69 :

You cant buy 615's over here, i think the best choice in a 13" is the ze912 unless I import some.

In that case, more street tires to consider...
Toyo R1R
Kumho XS
Hankook RS2 (or RS3)
Bridgestone RE01R
'Stone RE11
'Stone Adrenaline
Dunlop Direzza Z1
...

I have the RS2s on my car because they're good value and not unreasonable street/occasional track compromise.

Quote from anttt69 :

If you had to choose a tyre from one of these manufacturers which would you go for. I'm looking for a performance tyre, the softer the better.

Toyo Cf1 or Falken ze912?

Does anyone have toyos or falkens on their car?

You shouldn't be looking at all-season tires if you want performance.

Check out the Falken RT-615:

Stepneygate, liegate, diffusergate....

What's with the "gate"? What the frack does that mean?

That was a satisfying race. After the relative calamity of the first three, this was a bit of fresh air.

Good job Hamilton getting up there and hanging with the fast cars. McLaren is clawing back. Ferrari finally got one into the points without some sort of massive incident. Their pace relative to the others remains.

So Barcelona is supposed to be some sort of reset? We'll see.

Quote from Jertje :

In the first two qualifications of the seasons the Brawns were relatively heavy, and on pole by a good margin = supremely dominant.

Now they're in 4th and sorta mid-weight (expected) - that's not dominance by any means, so I don't see how my claim is bold. Even Button himself said that the advantage they had in the first two races is gone. We'll see tomorrow if their race-pace helps out, but unless strange things happen I don't expect a win, or dominant performance from the Brawns at all.

The weights are out and... I agree.

Quote from Jertje :

We'll see tomorrow, but I think there is nothing left of the supremely dominant Brawn from the first 2 races.

That's a bold claim considering they still qualified forth, and the Toyotas are suspected to be light.

Quote from samjh :

LFS sim experience means jack all. LFS doesn't simulate aero turbulence, which influences the behaviour of F1 cars a lot when they try to overtake each other, nor does LFS simulate flat-spots in terms of chassis vibration and its affect on drivers, and LFS's tyre simulation is much more forgiving than F1 tyres. And finally, LFS doesn't simulate fear!

Well not the specifics anyway. But there are bound to be general principles which do translate (this is a racing SIM, and that's why we play right, because it sort of in a distant way gives us some sort of that real life experience?) As it relates to this discussion, we have experienced the struggles of trying to pass competitors and how track length layout etc. can play into that.

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Quote from GreyBull [CHA] :

You can't compare Blackwood to Manama. If Blackwood was a RL track, the F1 would not be able to pass because the two main straight are too short and too narrow.

Anyway overtaking is really easy at Manama IMO, we have four wide +700meters straights here, there's no need to complain about this point.(even if the track looks boring, and is absolutely pointless because of its location)

It think it's great we're putting our LFS sim experience to good use.

Quote from Becky Rose :

In this case it was himself that was outside of his control

IMO it was more of a brutal freak spin, rather than complete noobish unforced error.

Oh man, this is really getting good. Awesome seeing Alonso bringing it in P2.

Quote from Rappa Z :

Sucks that the race was rained out. I could've sworn there was actually some passing at this race!

That was the Alonso train. Seriously though, he put up a good fight.

Quote from Speed Soro :

I rarely lock up the brakes.
When you get into the game (iRacing) you need to full press all controlers, so it makes a self calibration.

We need to do this in LFS too (at least I do.)

Balancing the brakes near lockup in iRacing is one of the most satisfying things about the sim.

It was really really really hard readjusting to the setups LFS when I can mostly just mash it to the floor.

In any case, the faster guys in LFS do modulate the brakes, usually when trail braking. So having to control your right foot (or left) under braking shouldn't be anything new to a LFS driver.