I've signed up and can't wait to give this proper demo a try. 
Ragnarok isn't free. Oh how I miss those beta days when it was though.
That's right, I didn't watch to the end. 
I still maintain that there isn't such a thing as "real" overtaking. Ongoing "battles" between two consistent drivers are rare to nonexistent. Once the faster guy gets in front of the slower guy (the equilibrium state of things, because the faster guy should win right?) there's no way for the slower guy to catch up short of a gimmick like push to pass, or an off-track event like pitting or an accident.
Let me illustrate what needs to take place for genuine overtaking:
- Hamilton: leads Kimi and is lapping .5 faster.
- Kimi: magically cuts 1.0 off his time and passes Hamilton.
- Hamilton: magically cuts 1.0 off his time to regain position.
- Kimi: magically cuts 1.0 off his time again to pass Hamilton.
- Kimi: makes a mistake and slows 1.0 allowing Hamilton to pass.
- and on it goes for 30+ laps
That doesn't happen. If Hamilton is .5 a lap faster, it usually stays that way. You won't get those fluctuations in relative speed between drivers to allow passing.
That was great! With the announcer's focus on Hamilton I'm guessing that the announcing wasn't done in 1996.
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. It doesn't exist. It's just a dream.
Ever watch that kart race with all the F1 drivers in equal karts? What happened? Well the fastest guy lead. Then the second fastest guy was in second. Then the third fastest guy was third... and so on. A parade to the end.
I'm glad that I'm not addicted to sim-racing anymore because I'm pretty disappointed at the state of everything at the moment. Yes, it's as good as it has ever been, but I was hoping there would be more progress overall.
Three years ago it was LFS, and LFS alone. It set the bar and there was no doubt about it. Now... now we have iRacing and NKP and GT5 (yes that would be Gran Turismo 5!!!) exposing all sorts of weaknesses about eachother. Each are really good at something, but none good at everything.
They've all ruined it for me:
- LFS has ruined everything else when it comes to multiplayerability and community.
- iRacing has ruined everything else when it comes to environment accuracy.
- NKP has ruined everything else when it comes to feel.
- GT5 has/will ruin everyhing else when it comes to the pure sexyness of beautifully rendered real cars.
Since I'll never be happy playing any one game, I'll take the coward's way out and just play none of them.
That blows.
Those servers really did a good job of gathering up the racers on a consistent basis.
Three years ago it was LFS, and LFS alone. It set the bar and there was no doubt about it. Now... now we have iRacing and NKP and GT5 (yes that would be Gran Turismo 5!!!) exposing all sorts of weaknesses about eachother. Each are really good at something, but none good at everything.
They've all ruined it for me:
- LFS has ruined everything else when it comes to multiplayerability and community.
- iRacing has ruined everything else when it comes to environment accuracy.
- NKP has ruined everything else when it comes to feel.
- GT5 has/will ruin everyhing else when it comes to the pure sexyness of beautifully rendered real cars.
Since I'll never be happy playing any one game, I'll take the coward's way out and just play none of them.
That blows.
Those servers really did a good job of gathering up the racers on a consistent basis.
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I was just about to post about the same thing.
I was beginning to think the problem was on my end. Glad that's not the case. But yes, even LFS is showing up as harmful. Well everything is.
I was beginning to think the problem was on my end. Glad that's not the case. But yes, even LFS is showing up as harmful. Well everything is.
Depends on the organizers and on the track.
The group I go to has a continuous block of 3-4 hrs track time. Run as much as you want. On a cool 13*C day, I had the car on track continuously for more than an hour, with cool down laps every 15 minutes or so. Then it was time to fill up the gas tank.
In addition to being fun and addictive and all that, you might never look at sims in the same way again.
The group I go to has a continuous block of 3-4 hrs track time. Run as much as you want. On a cool 13*C day, I had the car on track continuously for more than an hour, with cool down laps every 15 minutes or so. Then it was time to fill up the gas tank.
In addition to being fun and addictive and all that, you might never look at sims in the same way again.
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There you go.
Lemme explain why. I think you're confusing LFS's lack of "FF Friction" as being uncommunicative. The steering is too light on all the cars in LFS, and it feels less really dull that way.
In terms of communicating what the car is doing, particularly feeling oversteer start to build up through a corner and then finally breaking loose and counter steering, I think LFS does it a bit better than NKP and way way way better than iRacing.
LFS needs something like FF Friction to give more effort to the steering.
eBay has the answer for about $5000... but that's just silly. http://cgi.ebay.com/FERRARI-F3 ... IMSfp=TL090109111010r1681
I vaguely remember having played that one at a crummy amusement park! Very vaguely.
It's scary that I recognize that DOS stuff from the early 90's. My sim history goes way back as well, and I even have a Porsche 928 battery powered clicker thing like that Tomy Racing Turbo toy.
Let me just say a few words about GranTurismo One. It rocked my world. It turned it upside down and it blew me away. Although I hate what GranTurismo represents today, I have to admit that I was once one of those kids with GT1. Y'know... thought they knew everything there was to know about cars, and had the video game to back it up?
I even remember trying to drift with an AE86 and wondered why I couldn't. Well because the physics were fcking messed up! I didn't know better back then. They lied to me! They told me I had a simulator! Screw you polyPhoney! Damn it they got me again with GT3. Then they got me again with GT4.
I'm smarter now. I have a driver's license now
I have track experience now. They won't get me again. GT5, LFS, NKP, and especially iRacing, I raise my eyebrow at you with skepticism 
So what hasn't been mentioned yet...
RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDGE Racer! Was this the first time we saw a 900-ish degree wheel with clutch and H-shifter?
And was it not until Ferrari F355 Challenge that we saw 3 pedals again?
Let me just say a few words about GranTurismo One. It rocked my world. It turned it upside down and it blew me away. Although I hate what GranTurismo represents today, I have to admit that I was once one of those kids with GT1. Y'know... thought they knew everything there was to know about cars, and had the video game to back it up?
I even remember trying to drift with an AE86 and wondered why I couldn't. Well because the physics were fcking messed up! I didn't know better back then. They lied to me! They told me I had a simulator! Screw you polyPhoney! Damn it they got me again with GT3. Then they got me again with GT4.
I'm smarter now. I have a driver's license now
I have track experience now. They won't get me again. GT5, LFS, NKP, and especially iRacing, I raise my eyebrow at you with skepticism So what hasn't been mentioned yet...
RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDGE Racer! Was this the first time we saw a 900-ish degree wheel with clutch and H-shifter?
And was it not until Ferrari F355 Challenge that we saw 3 pedals again?
Wait wait wait wait wait.
This is the LFS forum so lets talk sim racing for a bit. Isn't it the case the fast alien drivers are always the fast alien drivers no matter the sim/track/car combo? In terms of casting a net, sim racing casts a much wider one than real motorsport. Now this is assuming sims are sophisticated enough to proxy for the real thing.
Isn't there a video around of some alien sim guy (pause for google), okay so it's David Greco driving a real F3 car and getting close to a good time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoDVeoXq99A
Same here. Absolutely amazing to see the plane intact. Wonderful to know nobody was killed.
Keep in mind also that not matter how realistic their physics engine, tire model etc etc, they'll never be able to simulate a car like the GTR.
Why?
Because so much of the GTR's handling depends on the computer controlled AWD system. Now, do you really think Nissan's going to let polyPhoney have their precious Porsche killing algorithms. Of course not.
That's the problem with trying to simulate real life. You have to actually simulate it.
Why?
Because so much of the GTR's handling depends on the computer controlled AWD system. Now, do you really think Nissan's going to let polyPhoney have their precious Porsche killing algorithms. Of course not.
That's the problem with trying to simulate real life. You have to actually simulate it.
That is pretty cool indeed.
So does anyone else realize that these tilting systems are limited to a maximum of 1 G?
I think the ULTIMATE way to do motion sim is to use a robotic arm roller coaster system like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoA-m5iHG9s You can definitely pull more than 1 G with that thing. Perhaps even up to oh say... 4.5g like in an F1 car.
So does anyone else realize that these tilting systems are limited to a maximum of 1 G?
I think the ULTIMATE way to do motion sim is to use a robotic arm roller coaster system like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoA-m5iHG9s You can definitely pull more than 1 G with that thing. Perhaps even up to oh say... 4.5g like in an F1 car.
Not what I wanted to hear since the PS3 is still stupidly expensive.
Oh well, I'll always have Enthusia.
The thought of a console game surpassing a computer sim makes my skin crawl. That's my elitism talking. The plebes should get the inferior stuff.
Oh well, I'll always have Enthusia.
The thought of a console game surpassing a computer sim makes my skin crawl. That's my elitism talking. The plebes should get the inferior stuff.
It's not that bad. Much better than the aerodynamic tumor appendages that grew out of the '08 body.
What are you getting upset about anyway? Are they wrong for criticizing GT5 letting a F1 car get air like that?
BTW, can the F1 in LFS jump with reasonable downforce settings? Wouldn't want to be a hypocrite.
The DVR and Youtube compression makes it look almost real. 
Racing against a professional driver, and a currently famous one at that, is pretty darn cool.
Almost worth paying a hiPrice for. I had to say it.
Racing against a professional driver, and a currently famous one at that, is pretty darn cool.
Almost worth paying a hiPrice for. I had to say it.
That's light traffic. During rush hour all 20 lanes of this stretch of the 401 is in complete grid lock. Lots of Ontarians here, you guys know what I'm talking about. Fun stuff.
You got the car off the road with not a lot of damage. I'd say that's a job well done.
On the other hand if you had spun it...
On the other hand if you had spun it...
Without any regard to any other principles or things other than purely the music itself, yes.
At this point there isn't much that'll persuade any regular person to buy a Lincoln. At least the Town car is still RWD!
This song never sounded so good! (Space Oddity, David Bowie, Lincoln Commercial)
Here's the commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... 3X87g&feature=related
It's a Lincoln commercial so I'm assuming most of you guys haven't see it.
Here's David Bowie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... iYwTY&feature=related
It's sung by Chan Marshall, and the word is that you can't get anywhere. SOOOOO much better than the original! ARHGHGHGH awesome.
It's a Lincoln commercial so I'm assuming most of you guys haven't see it.
Here's David Bowie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... iYwTY&feature=related
It's sung by Chan Marshall, and the word is that you can't get anywhere. SOOOOO much better than the original! ARHGHGHGH awesome.
FGED GREDG RDFGDR GSFDG