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NightShift
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Quote from dawesdust_12 :iRacing heavily relys on it to be fast, and once you get the hang of it, it becomes quite natural feeling.

as Hyperactive said:

Quote :Sure, most of the skipppie vids you find on youtube are with amateur drivers but still, not even on one corner do they steer like in iracing

Makes you wonder about all those going lengths to express how much iR would be so much more realistic than LFS... I actually miss Hyperactive's posts, though I did not agree 100% he always took the time to argument his own views. His biography says "quitted lfs" Android XP is another long time no see oldtimer, I hope he hasn't quit too

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NightShift
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You might be already aware of this, but here it is anyway.

http://phors.locost7.info/file ... The_Physics_of_Racing.pdf
NightShift
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Quote from ATC Quicksilver :Terrorism can never be defeated, so fighting against it is pointless,

I'm not sure I get you right: aren't there plenty of examples of terrorism which were eventually resolved?

That said I'm completely with you and all the others that said terrorism has been instrumental in compressing freedoms for the ordinary private citizens (but not those of politicians and well-connected 'VIP's, not exactly the word I'd wanted to use but can't come up with anything better ATM)
NightShift
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PS, this is the bit I was talkin about:

Quote :
As for physics, I am still a bit undecided still with iracing. Just by looking at the skippie I have a feeling that there is still something wrong with the physics, i can't believe that the way you need to drive the skippie to go fast is any much more realistic than LFS', for example. Mainly it is about the GPL style steering into the corner to counter the effects of oversteer. The more oversteer the more you need to steer "inwards". So far it has totally killed the skippie for me and tbh. I'm a bit afraid that the prototype car and the lotus will be the same. The same steering style works to some degree with the solstice as well.

Personally I haven't read or seen a one single book or dvd about driving a car fast that would encourage you to steer more into the corner when the rear starts stepping out. I know that quick steering will make the car understeer as stabbing the brakes can do but in iracing you need very minimal steering into the corner and the car balances itself into small slide. What I'd expect is to see the car keep rotating more and more when you steer more - as with more steering the car's rotation speed would increase and you'd spin - not stabilize the car.

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=925317#post925317
NightShift
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Quote from SamH :I wonder if the Astra with 2 people and travel luggage in the back would balance the car

You could try playing a bit with added mass on the FXO, to make it estate you should add around 100 kilos(*) on the back, but the CoG would still a bit too low vs the real thing.

Quote from SamH :I've always assumed the Astra would need more than just my ex wife's chopped-up remains and accompanying chainsaw to make the car balanced.

Well if your ex also has a friend, you could throw his own remains in the back as well

(*) I suppose, haven't checked the specs.
NightShift
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Quote from SamH :Hmm.. doesn't work that way then does it? LOL! All that engine and it's heavier at the rear?

FR cars tend to have a weight distributions approaching 50/50, the LX even more so because of the very rearward cabin
NightShift
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Quote from S14 DRIFT :Maybe I am too competitive.

I'd say you rather have the tendency to oversimplify things.

The discussion is about improving LFS and have people to enjoy more variety in what they race without having to stick with whatever combo is popular at the moment.

That was why hybridizing pickup and league racing was suggested. CTRA used to do that to a degree, I guess we're now waiting for someone to push the envelope even further.
NightShift
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Quote from SamH :It sounds silly to compare an Astra Estate with an LX6, but I think the weight distribution is probably very similar. Lots of weight at the front, very little at the back.

Interesting theory:

LX6 Weight dist:
48.0 F 52.0 R
NightShift
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Quote from Bean0 :The Rallye is 8v as well, 16v could easily have 115bhp

Yep particularly so in the first period of 16v introduction, engines were designed for peak power instead of maximum turbulence at low revs like it has been done in the last decade.

It's all about choices and tradeoffs.

And I should add, Rallye versions (esp. the 205) did not have a reputation for being drivable at low revs. And while the XFG probably has more oomph than those, nobody said it can't have variable lift so it could have both peak power and acceptable torque in the lower end.
NightShift
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From what I read that technique is used frequently by iRacing and GPL players.
NightShift
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If you check lfs.net you'll see there used to be progress reports. So much time has passed even the memory of 'em was long forgotten
NightShift
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Quote from de Souza :Stuff like... dedication.

Agreed

Quote from de Souza :Being slow and being a pickupper aren't really connected to me.

Probably not, but I tended to associate the two things; eventually I took the plunge probably because I enjoy races longer than the usual 4-5 laps (I do dozens in Single Player mode, and loved the SO Sprint track on CTRA only because it was 17 laps long)

IMO there may be others who think they're not good enough for it, and of course as long as pickup racing is healthy those people won't likely move on to leagues.

OTOH if one is an active league racer, e.g. joining more than just one, he/she will have little time left for pickupping, that's why I speculate there might not be enough people to keep both the communities healthy.

Quote from de Souza :Just to stay on topic again, I'm not sure what iRacing does. But I think the "come home from work, fire LFS, do a coupe of races, leave" kind of pick up servers are a good thing too.

It offers a sort of bridge between the two forms. To join a race you have to sign up to it and wait until the event starts, and there's a race every -say- 30 mins (I don't know how often exactly ATM, suppose it depends)

AFAICT while there's not a true championship ranking, there's a sort of point-based license system which gets updated every 12(?) weeks and basically 'unlocks' the ability to race at higher levels (against faster drivers and with better cars)

All in all it's a sort of CTRA on steroids
NightShift
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Quote from de Souza :I don't think so. Leagues demand dedication and stuff, something pickuppers don't want - or else they would not be pickuppers?

Stuff like what?

I'm a pickupper because I'm a noob, I'm slow, and I tend to race at late hours.

Question is, am I the only one? if the reply is even only 'maybe', then there's a chance to drag more people into organized racing.

If there aren't enough drivers (or enough time on their hands) to sustain two different, thriving communities (of pickuppers and league racers), it may be a smart move to make pick up a little less random and more organized (the iRacing way?)
NightShift
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I'd like to join, the time is a bit early for me, will confirm next week if that's ok with you
NightShift
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Quote from de Souza :"let's see.. I guess I'll go online with other 20 RACs around Fern Bay Black today", well... good luck.

But you won't be able to go online with 20 other XFGs now unless you're willing to stick to demo

If league racing is just the only viable solution, then LFS should offer better support for leagues, so more pickuppers would try league racing.

We also need (more?) events to cover a wider range of time frames, in order to accomodate people in different timezones and lifestyles.
NightShift
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Quote from Dajmin :I have to agree with what TVE said - servers need to stop all running the same handful of combos.

There are tons of servers running different combos but people don't join in numbers: those connecting for some pickup races do not want to race half a hour alone on an empty server, hoping for someone else to join.

I know it, have done it several times and it's just depressing. Better fire up SP with AIs then
NightShift
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Quote from Byku :It seems to be VERY cpu dependent.

IIRC RoR does not assume infinitely rigid bodies like LFS and most other sims (all?), that's going to cost a bit in terms of CPU usage I'd say.
NightShift
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Quote from danowat :its those same set of people who wont watch film Y because (delete as required) Tom Cruise, Keanu Reeves etc etc are in it.

You're lumping everything together, what can be perceived as snobbish can be broken down to two entirely different types:

Posers are those who say 'I watched this' 'I ditched that' because doing so projects a certain image upon them. They have no clue of what is what because the only thing they're interested in is how people look at them.

The other type are people who have a limited amount of time (who hasn't?) and can't really see everything. Those will have to make choices so there's an easy technique.

You follow artists that look genuinely good to you and mark as crap those who let you down (basically what xaotik said) e.g. Tom Cruise besides looking like a creepy person and a wooden actor, is often in interesting films, e.g. Eyes Wide Shut, Magnolia, and so on. So whoever skips movies with him in them, is obviously going to miss something sooner or later.

If the choice is between watching a disproportionate amount of drivel (well Cruise does not really fit in this example) and missing something, payoffs are obviously going to lead the person to miss something from time to time.

It's easy to pass as a snob because many popular artists play it safe and capitalize on their success. E.g. Nicolas Cage.
NightShift
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Quote from obsolum :I'm wondering what all these arguments that "people are leaving LFS" and "it's hard to find populated servers" are based on.

The arguments are really about the amount of people on public racing servers. When you discount cruising, drifting, destruction derby-ing, and racers on private servers, the total number of public racers is nothing to write home about.

BTW what I'm thinking is I ought to have made it in half the forum members' ignore or hate lists already, otherwise it shouldn't be so hard to get the point across
NightShift
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Quote from McDee :*sigh* All I'm saying is that people are leaving LFS. Do you agree with that at least?

Quote from NightShift :I'd agree with you on the general principle (i.e. the number of racers is falling)

I.e. it's probably easier to find a cruise server than to race the car you'd like
NightShift
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Quote from McDee :What's your point?

here it is:

Quote from McDee :I used to be able to race any car I felt like

Quote from NightShift :well, that's a big overstatement!

Quote from McDee :Yeah, I'm talking about 2004-2007.

Quote from NightShift :Some cars/class have always been less lucky than others... if you search the forum there's ample evidence of that.

NightShift
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Quote from McDee :I'm talking about 2004-2007.

2007 LX4/6
2007 LX again
2007 LX, the ugly duckling
2007 MRT5
2007 LX, is it a surprise?
2007 UF1
2006 LX yet another time
2006 BF1

That was despite numerous official (=devs) initiatives regarding the LX cars in '07. In 2004 and part of 2005, choice of cars was limited to 7 (+1 single seater), so obviously it was less of a problem.

These are just a few samples, but one counter example is all it takes to bring a theory down.
NightShift
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It's also very easy to discard anything which need subtitles on it Lotsa good movies are not in english and will never be.
NightShift
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Quote from McDee :and now I can't, that is a problem IMO.

I'd agree with you on the general principle (i.e. the number of racers is falling), but to say you could always choose ANY car and find a full server, well, that's a big overstatement!

Some cars/class have always been less lucky than others... if you search the forum there's ample evidence of that.

Quote from McDee : You might be surprised how many LFS'ers are familiar with the forums. Just because they don't post doesn't mean they don't see this place.

I've been a lurker for a long time don't be fooled by the silly amount of posts carrying my name these days.

I remember if I said something about test patches in the servers' chat, only a small minority was aware of them. Most never had an idea a new patch was going to be released, or what was going to be in it.

That of course was around mid '08, when there was not a delayed car to draw attention to LFS.
NightShift
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Quote from titanLS :Tom Tykwer's "Lola Rennt" (Run Lola Run in the states)

Great little movie, I also really loved Winterschlaefers from Tykwer (Der Krieger und die Kaiserin didn't really cut it for me), both are completely different from Lola anyway.
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