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pik_d
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I started the race for our team in SO4R in GTAL 2010, starting about midpack and don't recall any slowdowns. I will test again this evening though just to be sure (and also watch from last on the grid).

The Q6600 is quite literally two E6600 cores on the same die. The Q6600 has 2x4MB of L2 cache but each core can only access its associated 4MB, so performance there will be exactly the same as an E6600 under ideal conditions. I think the Q6600 will have a slight advantage of background tasks are being computed on one of the cores not sharing the 4MB with the LFS core, but that's it.

That review by Eza is really nice, and does look like I am mistaken in theory. In most of his tests (from 2.5 year old computers) the minimum fps was about ~55 (low end) and 70-80fps (high end, of 2.5 year old computers). Hardly any need for multithreading there.
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pik_d
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Quote from troy :It is running at 50% which is one core to the max, graphics card is a gtx260 so that isn't the problem. Of course I got nice fps with no people around but starting at the end of a full grid my fps bogs down to 25-50 and when I check my cpu usage one core is at it's max.

Well your single used core is better than mine, your GPU is better than mine (8800 GTS 512), I'll guess your resolution is higher than mine (1440x900)? If that's the case then again, it's a graphics issue, not a CPU issue.

Also I would think adding more cars to be drawn (especially standing on a starting grids when there's not much physics to be calculated) would ask more of the graphics card than the CPU. I could be wrong though.

Edit: Don't get me wrong, multithreading would be welcome, as it would allow more CPU intense stuff to be added to the game, I just don't think it will make much of a difference if nothing else changed.
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pik_d
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Quote from Rappa Z :Formula1.com is predicting thunderstorms for all three days at Sepang. This could be fun.

They could have predicted that 3 months ago, that's just how Malaysia works.
pik_d
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Quote from troy :Well, my e6600 dual core (clocked to 3.1ghz) is struggling when I'm running on south city (or pretty much any track with lots of people on) with a full field, so I'm sure even with the current physics engine people with dual cores would profit with proper support for it.

Something isn't right with that because my Q6600 (same on a per-core basis) at the stock 2.4GHz never has any issues. I leave vsync on to reduce tearing and it never deviates from 60fps even with a full grid. Without knowing the rest of your system though it's hard to say what the issue might be.
pik_d
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Quote from E.Reiljans :*cough* AMD Ontario 1 GHz dualcore netbook APUs *cough*

And as soon as you give it multithreading any integrated graphics in a netbook will bottleneck just as hard as a 1GHz CPU. Sorry but that setup just wont game with any decent FPS no matter what.

If this is really your computer try something. Run a replay file at native resolution and then again at the lowest resolution you can make it run without changing any other settings. If there's any difference in framerate then it's the integrated graphics holding it back and multithreading wont do jack. If the framerate is 4fps in both tests then multithreading will give you at max 8fps which still looks like a slideshow.
pik_d
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Quote from claual :Ohh yes, EQWorry can ban all user and attack any legitimate LFS host because him and your TEAM (this is a joke) FEEL (imagine) ofenses.
You are a clown member of terrorist cell.

The community as a whole does not see a host that mimics the name of another host as legitimate. You're the terrorist here, no one has any sympathy toward you. Thanks for making yourself look like a massive tool on the forums as well as the server list.
pik_d
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Quote from [Audi TT] :940 configurations you a little? It very much. Half of them are 10-25 hotlaps all. Have a look at the statistics commonly used road and trails we have in LFS, let alone more. I see the sense for developers to simply replace dalneyshnem fictional car for real. A Scawen, I would advise sshodit in blizshayshy shinomantazhny service and they can clearly tell what is in rubber.

What :| Maybe post the original Russian so someone bilingual can translate properly.

Google translated

Что? : | Может быть, после оригинальной русской так кто-то двуязычного можете перевести правильно.
pik_d
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It's almost as if you didn't even read my posts.
Quote from dadge :why are there still races recorded before the date he asked for the reset.

Quote from pik_d :The stat reset can't just erase him from races because that would mess up other peoples stats.

Quote from dadge :iirc, a physics patch required some sort of reset. but no data was lost. old times/laps were written in a lighter colour.

Pretty sure you're missing the point of him asking for his stuff to be reset, he didn't want it saved.

Either way it is painfully obvious that he has driven more miles/laps than his totals say. If you deny this you are deliberately ignoring facts. Who cares if the PDF has huge spacing issues, and why would Victor (assuming him because it's a LFSW thing) use a header? It's a 3 man team not a corporation.

But yes, that conversation is over, you were wrong about something and it's annoying for people who haven't driven much to ask for new content, nothing changes.
pik_d
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Don't be thick dadge, his stats were clearly reset. His total laps says 1508 while if you add up all his BL1 laps its 2272. The stat reset can't just erase him from races because that would mess up other peoples stats. And it looks like it can't delete the number of laps driven on a combo by combo basis either for whatever reason. I've got a feeling if you added up only the laps for the combos that he has a time for it would equal 1508, but I can't be bothered to do that and I doubt you can either
pik_d
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Quote from farcar :
  • I already said that I've done way more online racing than my online stats showed. You just ignored this and kept using my online stats as 'proof' of your feeble arguement thgat I haven't played LFS enough.
  • I stated that in fact, my online stats were reset years ago. You called bullshit. Anyway, I've attached a copy of the email confirming my stats reset. Considering this has essentially killed the basis of your agruement against me, I'm looking forward to what you have to say.
The truth is that I've played thousands of hours of LFS over nearly 6 years online and offline.


I just have.

I'm only asking this because I'm curious. In your stats it has a bunch of blanks for the lap times, but it still has a # of laps driven. For other drivers it has grayed out lap times to indicate that the lap was set on an old patch with old physics. For your stuff, did they actually delete everything, or did it still list # of laps immediately after they deleted all the lap times and stuff?

EDIT: actually looking at it closer that must be what it is. It says you've done 1508 laps total but if you add up just your BL1 laps (including those with blank times) it comes to 2272.
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pik_d
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I am curious though, how many turns do you label in AS4/5/6?
pik_d
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Quote from dadge :T4 would still be in the same place (T27 on that map)if there's 5 turns.

Well obviously NDR is wrong
pik_d
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Quote from dadge :that's not aston club.

Though what's interesting about it is that it agrees with neither of us, giving the AS2 layout 5 numbers for turns, not my 4 or your 7 (which, retroactively, is what my point of that post was).
pik_d
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Quote from dadge :we only need to establish where T4 is. anything after that is not relevant.

Or we could use NDRs rather odd "number every corner of every track" map:

pik_d
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Quote from dadge :i just go by what most other motorsport fans would call it. the most common would be Martin Brundle during his track guides in the F1. how busy does your day have to be that you have to reduce 2 turns into one turn when there's visibly 2 turns? i've always called the first chicane at AS2 "T2&3". i've always thought AS2 had 8 turns (final hairpin being T7 and the left turn immediately on the exit of T7 leading onto the start/finish). don't know why i've never counted the slight right at the start.

So the first real turn is T1, the first fast chicane is T2 and T3, then the second fast chicane is T4 and T5, T6 is... that bend leading up to T7? That's as much of a turn as the two minor bends before the real T1.

If you want to claim that AS2 has 8 turns then how many does AS6 have? 40? This is what I mean when I say it's easier to label a chicane as "T2" in its entirety. Watching a lap of XFR/AS2 (WR lap) I count 12 distinct apexes (there are two on the bend before the final hairpin). I suppose at some point it's all objective unless you define a full set of all-encompassing rules. One mans turn is another mans minor kink/bend that doesn't need a number.
pik_d
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Quote from dadge :i suppose it's all down to how many corners are in a chicane. i always thought it was 2.

Two (or more) apexes in a chicane, I'll agree, but it's much easier (for numbering) to say "a chicane is a type of turn which contains two (or more) apexes on the opposite sides of the track" and just call them T2 an T3, and the final turn T4.
pik_d
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Quote from dadge :T4 is the entry to the flat out chicane dude. and it's always been flat out in the XFR and any other car i've driven there.
T1 is the hairpin. T2 and T3 are the first chicane. T4 and T5 are the flat out chicane. T6 and T7 are the last hairpin and exit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikFKYAF_hsc
AFIK, flat out usually means "top gear". writing flatout saved me for listing each car and their top gear.

I was going by whats up on LFS Manual: http://en.lfsmanual.net/wiki/Tracks:Aston#Club. I'm sorry but AS2 does not have 7 turns.
pik_d
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Quote from dadge :flat out then.

I don't think "flat out" is a gear, and T4 isn't flat out all the way through, only on exit. Also the correct answer is you shouldn't be in an XFR (or UFR as it magically changed to in bunder's answer) because it's a horrible car. A FOX or TBO is much more fun there. I'd say since T4 is pretty slow it's probably a 2nd gear corner for most cars with reasonable setups but driving is more about feel and instinct than memory so that's a silly question.

Though I agree with you on your other stuff, I've driven quite a lot of combos and can still find ways to have fun. It's a bit annoying when people who haven't done half or even a quarter [edit: haha guess I was being conservative with 1/2 and 1/4, it's more like 1/15th ] as much moan about "old content". In the end it doesn't matter because I'm sure a lot of us who have driven tons of combos want another 'S' worth of new content, I know I do. What's it matter if a few people who have to claim they've done offline "racing" want new content?
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pik_d
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Quote from BlueFlame :Neither do I, but there are hints that they have, the fact Liuzzi was only 2seconds behind the 107% rule. With basically no running of the car up until THAT day. And if kartikeyan was only 4seconds off the 107% rule, it must be a better car than percieved.

It may be that they screwed up and the old wing is faster than the front, what ever screw up they've had doesn't mean they won't be fast. If all the team tripped over their shoelaces at once, does that mean that the car won't be able to close the gap?

Using the old front wing will have only helped them, because they can compare and use data that they already have. If anything it benefits them because they've done no testing at all.

Just open your mind a little, they have done no testing, there have been cars known in the past to be brutally quick out of the box. The Red Bull for example, so it doesn't mean much, after the first race given the way they entered (or tried to enter) the weekend I'd say their pace is still unknown even after the race. Look at it this way, with the little track time they had, their gap from the 107% can't get any worse can it? It can only get better for them, unless they go bankrupt of course :P

Actually It can get worse. Red Bull could add KERS and get even faster, therefor making the 107% time harder to reach. The teams at the front have much more money than HRT and even though HRT are in a position where they can make big gains easily (because there is much to gain) they are openly talking about money issues and it's only the first round.

Saying 2 seconds or 4 seconds off 107% makes it sound much nicer since it's a shorter track. Malaysia is a bit longer so I wouldn't be surprised to see them 3-6 seconds off pace.
pik_d
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Quote from Senninha25 :don't they usually mix wind tunnel testing with pencil and paper design? Heard Adrian Newey still resorts to drawing the project, unless it was a figure of speech.

My point is that your original statement used "pencil and paper" as the part that's left out of their design process when they say "entirely CFD/CAD" when actually what's left out is the wind tunnel usage. I have no idea if they use pencil and paper for sketches, but I'd be surprised if it was used much at all when CAD is much more advanced/easy to send around and modify/send to the molding machines.

Quote from BlueFlame :No, it isn't. It's better than it looks, I'll hazard a guess and say they have closed some of the gap to Lotus/Virgin. Especially Virgin. Only time will tell.

Well that's good because it looks like nothing so far. I don't see how they could have closed the gap when they've done no track testing outside of the first qualifying session and a few shakedown laps. Besides, they showed up with a front wing that couldn't pass the safety test, that doesn't seem like "closing the gap" to me.
pik_d
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Did you ever get this fixed? Do you still need help?
pik_d
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Quote from Rappa Z :I know, it's fecking ridiculous though.

Engaging F1 mode of thought:
Why don't we have the track split into halves at Le Mans so that the LMPs don't have trouble overtaking the GTs? They can run next to each other in different lanes.

Because part of the point of endurance racing is dealing with slower/faster classes than you. Formula One is one formula of cars, not F1 and F1.5.
pik_d
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Quote from Rappa Z :Well, we're a bunch of pansies if we think the frontrunners are going to have a difficult time overtaking a car that is 6-10 seconds slower.

That remark was in reference to Alonso moaning constantly last season about the backmarkers. I'm sure he'd have gotten around them eventually.
pik_d
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Quote from BlueFlame :Yea, but I'm not gonna let my opinion rule out the facts if I am aware of them. That would be ignorance.

All I did was give them credit where it's due, in that they managed to be close to the 107% without any previous flying laps. Think about it, they didn't even get time on the track to setup the car, other than the data they had for last year, but then they got off to a shakey start there too...

The fact are that, unlike everyone else, they were not prepared for what was supposed to be the second race, don't have enough funding, and just barely got their cars on the track long enough to confirm everyone's suspicion that they're slow and dangerous.

"Wow they got realllly close (they didn't they were still like 2 seconds off I believe) to qualifying without much running time" is not a good fact. It's bad from every angle.
pik_d
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Quote from Rappa Z :Me thinks that the stewards should have let the HRT cars run anyway so that they could have atleast made some development. Also, how happy are their (few) sponsors when they aren't allowed to race? The team can't get better if it doesn't race from the start.

Either that or they put someone else on the grid. It's disgraceful that HRT (and USF1) was given a license last year. Were there really no better teams that could be put together?

That would have been dangerous though. The track would have flooded due to Alonso's tears from being held up by too many backmarkers.

And there were better options, Dallara or Prodrive would have both been much better options. I suspect the entrance was more about money though.
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