However lfs doesnt calculate aero drag atm

Quote from Renku :

-1
A big NO NO!

Why?
It will cause u any problem?
Will block u from racing?

NO

then Yes!

Quote from duke_toaster :

Numbers can't have decimal points. Also, 1.000000 is equal to 1.

Maybe it was suggested 1,000,000 times before

(lol)

Lol, wrong

Here in Italy is used the opposite (and i think in all the other non anglosaxons european nations)

1,00000000 is 1

1.000.000 is 1 milion



Always the same problems: wrong side driving, wrong decimal use... lol

Quote from KillerMonkey :

What about 6.1 and 7.1?

Yeah, true, didn't thought at these too.

However, more generally, lfs should support "surround" audio

+1
I'm not a drifter, but it doesn't replace anything, will be just an addition, and any addition here is good. It's a simulator, more things will be added, more things will be simulated.

Not right:

If u use as example the 550GTS from GTR game, with 620 (or more) bhp, usually it reach not more then 280-290 km\h

The GT2 class cars, like 360GTC (450 460 bhp), that is the most similar to LFS's gtr class ones, usually doesn't go more then 255/265 kmh.

So, imho is realistic.

If we want to be precise, isn't realistic the name, GTR class cars should much more powefull (around 550/650 bhp).

It should be called GT-R2 class (because GT2 i think is a name owned by Fia GT), and an eventually GT car with 600 bhp should be added in a class called GT-R1.

Gandhi, ho scritto nella sezione improvement suggestions ( http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=9934 ), ero convinto anch'io che fosse supportato.

Comunque la prossima volta scrivi in inglese.

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Gandhi, i have written in the improvement suggestions section (...), i was thinking too that was supported.

However next time write in english.

I'm asking this here because it was asked to me on an Italian forum:

Will lfs support 5.1 surround audio?

It should be done before S2 final imho.
I thought it was already supported, but i discovered that it wasn't.
Quite all the concorrent products support it, it became a standard.

But we are able to remove object from the track with autocross editor, right?

When if we remove barriers from bl chicane it doesn't became a long tarmac straight?

Quote from XCNuse :

if the king of england never made that decision, we would probably still be believing we live on a flat world and the sun goes arond us

What? looooool

your founding fathers were absolutely not the ones that understood that world was approximatively spherical and sun was the in the center of the solar system.

So, if they never made that decision, surely these 2 things would not be different from today.

Quote from highbridge :

My idea.
can preview scene of each track.

That would be a nice idea

For sound problems, try to press shift+N when in car.

Imho Nesta will be not able to be at 100% (and at 90% too) for that final.
He missed lot of matches, so he will not be at a good level of psicological motivation too.
I think it's quite sure that will play Materazzi.

Has anyone seen fra - por today?

It ended 1 - 0 for France, after a penalty kick (earned by Henry lol... who was the diver phlos? ), shooted by Zidane around the 30th minute of the first time.

Imho was a boring match, after the penalty kick France played strictly defensive.

And that will be a problem for us, because they played in a really "energy saving" mode for 90 minutes, instead of us that was costricted to play at 100% for 120 min.


Atm i think that the only real weak point of France is Partez, too many errors done during that match (especially the one that Figo missed in a much incredible way around 75th minute) and the old matches.

It is going to be a really interesting match.
I hope to being happy at the end of next sunday night...



P.S: if i should express an overall opinion about the semifinals, i would say that Germany was the one that should have earned the slot in the finals, together with us. Germany played much better then France and Portugal. But it was impossible to happen.


P.S:
Just found xD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... ;mode=related&search=

and that's the argentinian version, with maradona speaking:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... ;mode=related&search=

xD

Last edited by SpaceMarineITA, Wed, 5 Jul 2006 23:49.

It is only a football flame... illepall

Quote from danowat :

Maybe so, but it was booked before I realised that Italy might get into the final , too late now LOL.

Dan,

No problem, if u come here with an Italian shirt "azzurra" u will survive

Quote from danowat :

Hmmm......wonder how busy Rome is going to be on Sunday night, I fly out there on Saturday LMAO.

Dan,

Seems a bit crazy to came here the day before the world cup final match lol

Good luck

Quote from Shotglass :

lets just take the main point from that wiki article for explaination

which is certainly what italy did yesterday

as ive said its not the most classical form of catenaccio ... its a mixed up form which doesnt rely solely on counterattacks but rather on fast changes in the whole tactical system of the team
but the genral idea of putting as many players as possible into the own penalty zone to prevent a goal by all means is still very much present in italys football ... in essence it catenaccio take to the 21st century

So for u catenaccio is any soccer tattics, because any teamplayer with a little of brain when have 8 enemy guys in their midfield run to defend their zone.

Quote :

and you cant deny the catenaccio heritage of the italian team with most players already having competed in the 2002 and 2004 championships

We are not on 2002 and 2004. We played very bad in both 02 and 04.
The last Italy team that could be called in that way, before the one of this year, is the one of Euro 2000 where the CT was Dino Zoff, that never used any form of catenaccio (infact we arrived second, and second only for a damn lucky shot made by Treseguet... )
And however now, here, we are speaking of 2006 Italian team, not 02 or 04 Italian Team.
And on Fifa World Cup 2006 Italian Team just qualified for playing finals.
Surely not using catenaccio.

Quote :

the main aim of italys tactics has allways been to prevent goals rather than to shoot them ... and to me and most german football comentators this is what catenaccio is all about

From FIFA official stats, taken from an Italian magazine...

Shots aimed at the goal:

Germany: 2
Italy: 10

mmm...

Quote :

maybe in the itialian and english sense of the word ... im talking the german sense of the word where the libero usually is much more of a not position bound midfielder which is exactly what totti did

This is an international term, then use the international meaning of the term, i don't know german, is nonsense to speak in that way.

Quote from Shotglass :

i was talking about the first 90 minutes ... towards the end and during the et lippis genious idea of breaking up the catenaccio and gradually change the system to an incredibly effective 6-0-4 was the reason for our loss

8-1-1 ... 6-0-4...

lol, during ETs attackers was 3 not 4: Del Piero, Iaquinta and Gilardino.
Totti remained as 3/4er
Pirlo continued to stay in the centerfield, Gattuso is always at the right time everywhere, Zambrotta between centerfield and 3/4

I continue to think that u have seen another match lol

Quote :

it was an 8-1-1 with totti playing as a libero not as a striker
calling it a 4-4-2 is completely ignoring the fact that the first line of 4 was usually placed within the 16m and the second line directly in front of them ... thats 2 defensive lines not one defensive and one midfield

Totti playing as libero? o_O?
looool

Take a look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F ... ccer%29_positions#Sweeper


Sweeper

The sweeper is a more versatile type of centre back that "sweeps up" the ball if the opponent manages to breach the defensive line. Their position is rather more fluid than other defenders who mark their designated opponents. Because of this, the position is often referred to as libero (Italian: free). The sweeper's ability to read the game is even more vital than for a centre-back. A sweeper is sometimes expected to build counter-attacking moves, and as such requires better ball control and passing ability than a typical centre back. However, sweepers are often merely defensive players. For example, the catenaccio system of play, used in Italian football in the 1960s, employed a purely defensive sweeper.
Many centre-backs and sweepers have the ability to bring the ball out of defence and begin counter-attacks for their own teams, thanks to excellent tactical (game reading, anticipation, positioning, tackling) and technical capabilities (passing, vision on the pitch); players with such an ability include the legendaries Franz Beckenbauer or Gaetano Scirea and more recently players like Ronald Koeman, Lothar Matthaus Franco Baresi. Rafael Marquez also plays in a similar fashion.



The sweeper (letteralmente sarebbe "spazzatore" in Italiano, cmq vuol dire "libero") play in the REAR of the defense line, NOT IN FRONT of the centerfield line!!!
Totti was in front of the centerfield line!

Like i said before, u have seen another match... xD

That's where Totti played:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F ... tions#Deep-lying_forwards

Deep-lying forwards

Deep-lying forwards have a long history in the game, but the terminology to describe them has varied over the years. Originally such players were termed inside forwards, or deep-lying centre forwards. More recently, the preferred terms have been "withdrawn striker", or playing "in the hole" (i.e., the space between the midfield and defence of the opposing team). The position itself was popularized in Italian football as the Trequartista - 'three-quarters' - the playmaker who plays neither in midfield nor as a forward, but effectively pulls the strings for his team's attack.

Whatever the terminology, the position itself is a loosely-defined one somewhere between the out-and-out striker and the midfield. Such a player is either a skilful, attack-minded midfielder or a striker who can both score and create opportunities for centre forwards. Widely-known deep-lying forwards include Pelé, Diego Maradona and Dennis Bergkamp.

Last edited by SpaceMarineITA, Thu, 6 Jul 2006 14:58.

Quote from Shotglass :

for the most part they did ... if you cant see that the few times they switched up their system and went on the offensive with the support of a few defenders is what separates them from teams like sweden or england which are completely stuck with one tactical system unable to break out of it and surprise their opponents
all of that doesnt change the fact that for most of those initial 90 minutes there were 8 defenders completely shutting off the italian half

mmm... i think that i have understood what do you mean (and that's not catenaccio):

|___2______6____|
|__3 ________7__|______11
|_______________|__10
|__4________8___|
|___5_______9___|---> move up during offensive actions
<--- moving down during defensive actions

If with the term "catenaccio" u mean that movement, then yes, it has been done, but that's not catenaccio at all.

At max u can define it as a sort of continue changing between 4 - 4 - 1 - 1 in when defending to 1 - 3 - 4 - 2 when attacking (in a much fluid way imho)

Take a look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catenaccio


Catenaccio today

Nowadays, catenaccio is used mainly by weaker teams, in order to reduce any technical gap against stronger ones by showing a more physical approach to football. The slow disappearance of the role of sweepers in modern football has also contributed to the decline in its use.
The catenaccio system is often criticized for reducing the quality of football games as a spectacle. In certain parts of Europe it became synonymous with negative football since the attacking aspect of the game is neglected.
One frequent mistake is to define catenaccio as any defensive tactical system used by a football team. This is actually untrue, because catenaccio is just one of the possible defensive tactics to be used. Nowadays catenaccio is used less and less by top teams, and often limited solely to particular circumstances, such as numerical inferiority following a sending off, or needing to defend a marginal scoreline until the end of the match. Thus, today catenaccio is also frequently referred to as any extremely defensive mental approach to a football match by a team.
Catenaccio is often thought to be commonplace in Italian football, however, it is actually used infrequently by Italian Serie A teams, which instead prefer to apply some other, more modern, tactical systems, like 4-4-2 and others. This does not apply to the Italian national football team, however. Italy's previous coaches, Cesare Maldini and Giovanni Trapattoni, used the catenaccio at international heights, and have all failed to reach the top. Italy, under Maldini, lost on penalties at the 1998 FIFA World Cup while Trapattoni lost early in the second round at 2002 FIFA World Cup and disappointingly lost at the 2004 European Football Championship during the first round.
When Italy was reduced to 10 men in the fiftieth minute of the 2006 FIFA World Cup round of 16 match against Australia after dominating the first half, coach Marcello Lippi changed the Azzurri's formation to grind out a 1-0 result which caused the Guardian to note that "the timidity of Italy's approach had made it seem that Helenio Herrera, the high priest of catenaccio, had taken possession of the soul of Marcello Lippi"[1]. Note, however, that the 10 men team was playing with a 4-3-2 scheme, just a midfielder away form the regular 4-4-2.



Imho that explain all.

And however, whatever tactics Italy used, it has been surely more effective then germany ones, because they wins, not germany.

Last edited by SpaceMarineITA, Thu, 6 Jul 2006 14:35.

Quote from Shotglass :

cant be helped if you seriously dont see how a 8-1-1 is catenaccio

Which match have you seen?

I saw Italy playing with 4 4 2 (but with totti advanced at 3/4 of the field) during regular times and 4 3 3 during ETs

You don't know of what are you speaking.

Quote from Shotglass :

italy played with 2 rows of 4 for almost 90 minutes and only got close to the german goals with counterattacks (pretty much not at all during the 2nd half) ... aka catenaccio

lippi wisely gave up on that in the extra time which eventually caused the whole game which was very even up to that point to turn around

Then this mean that germany played more with catenaccio then Italy, if u see how many times tryied to kick the ball directly to the goal...

3 times? 4 times? in 120 minutes!!!!
At least we tryied about 1 dozens of times...


Please think more and without prejudices before complaining about Italy's matches.

Both played as hard as they can. It was a fun match.
Catenaccio hasnt no more used during last 40 years here. lol

Last edited by SpaceMarineITA, Thu, 6 Jul 2006 00:23.

Quote from Phlos :

But you agree that Italy cheats ? They always fall down, really big cheaters/loosers

Italy is the team with less fouls done in this Cup.
We are correct, dont smash on other players legs trying to break them!

Auf Wiedersehen Deutschland!!!

However was a nice match, Germany played well



And phlos, who were the divers?
Italy dominated the field from first minute!
Let's admit that you are scared!
If you want to know... yes, we will win that final too!

Last edited by SpaceMarineITA, Wed, 5 Jul 2006 23:04.

No fixed fov imho, i run really near with the monitor to my wheel and i need to use a lower fov (72) then default for being able of watching something in the correct scale.


However the clutch thing and the possibility of doing false start will be implemented in the next patch, as said by Scawen.

Damage system is more complex to add, I don't think that we will have it before S2 final (or S3...)

What do exactly the /btn command?