Quote from Cue-Ball :

In most non-endurance races, teams pit when a full course caution comes out. But since LFS doesn't have full course cautions, and since AI can't possibly know about them, we can't currently handle this case. Best case solution here is that if a car causes a yellow flag for more than, say, 20 seconds (assuming reset is disabled), LFS issues a full course caution for 1-2 laps and forces that car to spectate.

At the moment, whats in development is the AI and how they behave. Im sure at this point of development, what ever the Dev team decide on what needs to happen to get to patch Y is going to happen, and full course cautions are not in the plan at this stage (?).

Quote from Cue-Ball :

I think this is more a problem with the basics of the way LFS works than it is a problem of the AI. Every track in LFS has half as many pit boxes as it does garages. The AI aren't aware of this limitation, and neither are normal players. It's impossible for everyone on a full server to pit at the same time, and since people are assigned stalls as they join you don't even know who your "teammate" is. This makes it virtually impossible for pit sharing to work. We need some sort of way to assign people to certain pit areas and make those areas clearly visible so that drivers know which pit is theirs. Then, the AI need to be made aware of this as well.

I wasnt even thinking about that (pit sharing)- I recall in LFS that AI used to use the fuel that I did. What I started the race with so did they.

Im not sure full course cautions are an option, just like my suggestion, at this point, maybe it will mean a new level of coding??? I do understand that what you are doing is suggesting that tho, not inferring that thats what is happening.

When you refer to team mates - that brings me on to AI racing online - I went on to the AI online server (which is pretty funky) and all my cars all pitted on the same lap - I would like to be able to get them to pit on different laps to help each other in the race, as they can in real life. BY pitting on different lap, which I cn decide - it allows them to hold up other cars, or find a gap in the traffic, and help there team mates (team rules) or hinder oppostion. Maybe they should be able to decide to do that themselves?????

LoL - heres me wanting LFS to be come a team management Sim.

Quote from Cue-Ball :

I think that's a hacky and poor workaround. Right now the AI are great at determining the amount of fuel they need, how many stints they need to run, etc. I sure as heck don't want to have to assign every single AI a specific fuel level just to make them pit more "randomly". Especially if Scawen could do the same thing with a relatively straight forward logic fix.

Ohhh I would - I would then save that classic pit line up and share with you all for some fun - AI watching - or AI Beating. I am a bit of a stratergy geek and like fiddling like that. Especially if the reawrd mean the end justified the means. Im not a turn up and go person. I do like to work at things a bit.
I do agree that the fix should be straight forward logic.

Quote from Cue-Ball :

What we really need is: Full course cautions, AI that are aware they may be sharing a pit box with another car (AI or human), and some sort of way for people to get assigned stalls/pits and be able to tell which one they are assigned to. And the AI being more aware of human drivers wouldn't hurt either, but Scawen said he's working on that.

Yes they will all be good in the end - agreed.

Sorry for the long post but didnt want to just quote bits and miss quote you in anyway. Just like LFS this will grow and develop accordingly, and Im sure any suggestions made here - will be most likely never seen.

Quote from Cue-Ball :

That's how it's supposed to work. Fuel level is not tied to car setup and never has been (not even for when you are driving). The AI select the amount of fuel that they need given the car they're driving, the track they're on, and the number of laps.

But wouldnt it be nice - when driving against a fleet of AI drivers to have them on different pit stratergies, Why would all teams choose to pit on lap 25 of a 50 lap race? for example.

I understand the orgional issue - Not every driver in every race would want to do that, exactly what the other guys does. Especially 2 guys in the same team - they would want different pit stop windows.

I think at this point - its fair to suggest that maybe we should be able to set the fuel level on AI cars, if desired.

Funny thing tho - they can decide how much fuel they need - yet they cant drive around a corner with out taking me out on the guy on there inside/outside.

Im really enjoying this testing phase - and Im well looking forward to AI developments. Cracking job.

Quote from evosports :

if only i didnt have college is there any idea on how many hours we will need to be available?

It will depend on the project and what is required. Some testing enviroments are 2-3 hours - some testing requirements may need 3-4 days every week.

If you were applying - I would put what hours you can spare - and you may get selected for a project. You dont have to do it.

Try your luck.

Quote from Scawen :

Which cars? Because I tested the oval and it was ok. It will just save me a lot of testing if you tell me which cars don't slow down in time.

FZR still speeds in pit lane on X32

Ahhh - just checked properly - with damage - failed to brake in time - with no damage slows down just fine...... Call of the troops

Only real problem I do have there is that the AI take to the pit lane in the middle of the bend - and should really join before the solid white line.

Last edited by Widdowmaker, Sun 16 Dec 2007, 22:06.

Welcome back to the forums Fordman. Change is sometimes difficult to accept. LFS is fun - online racing might not be unless your with group of people you trust and get on with.

Im sure with a few hours of concentrated effort, you will enjoy it again.

You are entitled to an opinion, and I hope you come around. I personally dont enjoy the over competitaveness of some of LFS as it stands - the dsire to win win win at all costs, yet I enjoy the sim. The closer it gets to actually driving a real car - the better it will be.

When the guys come over for BBQ from my car club - we normally go with the RB4 and Blackwood Rallyx.

4WD rocks

What about Grand Theft Auto San Andreas or Vice City

Quote from pb32000 :

Surely not dude. I run that ram at I think those timings - possibly 4-4-4-12 and my 580W PSU copes fine, as you'd expect.

Compared to the cpu and GTX in there the ram uses a small amount of power. I think the issue lies somewhere else myself.

Well - I'm no expert and the issue resolves it self when there is only 2 sims in, so cant thiunk what else it would be. It cuts out just like a lack of power issue - with no errors reported.

Dont know what else it could be.

Yeah - having issues with the Memory itself - its extremely power thristy running the low latency timings. Not a massive issue really. I dont want to go over to vista yet - so will crack on with the 2G till I get a new PSU and the 2nd GTX.

The New psu is only £80, Ive spent over £2500 this year on PC's so a drop in the ocean and will stick 700W in PC Im selling. The new PSU will help with the SLI memory when that arrives.

Just upgraded my system for christmas

Hardware:
Processor: AMD X2 6400+ Black Gamer edition
Videocard: XFX Nvidia 8800 GTX (running at 1950 mhz)
Memory: OCZ DDR 2 - Dual channel PLatinum revision running at 800mhx with 444 15 timings (Have 4g but power supply not good enough to run 2g)
HDD: Samsung 500g sata II, Samsung 300g IDE, Samsung 120g IDE
DVD: Samsung WriteMaster SataII with
Motherboard: Asus M32n sli Deluxe Green with AI (Quiet technology and AI driven cooling and Overclock utilities)
PSU: Artic Storm 700W (upgrading to 1000W) to power 4g mem
Speakers: Mad KAtz 5.1 surround
Soundcard: Onboard 8 channel
Monitor: 1 x Dell 17", 2 x DGM 17"
Monitor devices: Matrox triple head 2 go
OS: Windows XP
Case: Aqua Jeantech Gaming Developments Case
Cooling: PSC - Zalman 9500 psu cooler - Case 3 x 80mm artic blue fans - 1 x 120mm artic blue
Accesories:
Mouse: Logitech G5 Gaming mouse
Keyboard: Logitech G15 Keyboard
Headset: Pantronics Game.com 1
Wheel: Logitech DFP
Additional controlers: G Saitek X52 Flight Control System, Saitek rudder pedal controls, Logitech USB wireless dual rumble controler.



Next planned upgrades

1000w Power supply
2nd 8800 GTX to run SLI
Upgrade OCZ memory to SLI compliant pre loaded sli timing and Profile Memory

Will fund Upgrade by selling old System
Hardware:
Processor: AMD 4600+ Socket 929
Motherboard: Gigabyte 8KN Sli
Cooling: Standard PSU cooling - case 3 x 120mm artic blue fans
Videocard: 2 x 7600GT in SLI format
Memory: 2g DDR 1 (non Specific)
HDD: 2 x Nvidia Stripe 200g Sata in Stripe format
DVD: Generic DVD Burner
PSU: 450W Generic (suitable to power current configuration.
Soundcard: Onboard
Case: Packard Bell case - its the best case Ive had - real roomy and easy to work with - Dont wont to sell it but wont take a GTX size card without cutting.

Last edited by Widdowmaker, Sat 15 Dec 2007, 11:35. Reason : Stole formatting from fella above

Removed cos I dont think my attitude was rway off - Apols to those that read it. - The thread got my back up. Will go back to reading and not posting.

Last edited by Widdowmaker, Tue 11 Dec 2007, 17:51.

Yeah - post up some pics

Ahhhhh - Jakg - I see my error - I was typing far to quickly to get my point accross....

Im trying to say that rather than coverclock - Little Dave should set up the profile corrctly and get the best out of the g-card - rather than overclock when its not nessercary.

When I was reffering to overclocking in N tune - I meant..... In the nvidia control panel (and n tune is now part of the nvidia control panel), there is a Performance tab - which is overclocking - through adjust motherboard and GPU setting.

But as I dont know what Im talking about (in relation to overclocking) - Ill leave it there. I just think you really dont need to overclock, with your system...

Last edited by Widdowmaker, Mon 12 Nov 2007, 20:09.

OK....

Theres a few tools you can use Dave

Nvidia make a prog called N tune -- freely availible from them to down load. N tune works along side your current operating system and g card. Its designed specifically for your board and card - (Which you happen to have the same mobo as me and G cards)

http://www.nvidia.com/object/ntune_2.00.23.html

If you go into your g card control panel - you can select n tune - and work your way through it - does a cracking job - before starting the overclock process. It also has a built in overclock facility. I would not recommend over clocking if your looking for graphics, I would settle for slight under performance till you get the new g card.

I would also, not rely on external cooling to cool your machine either - Fans are £2 each - (8cm blue LED) even your not that tight. Sure stand it next to the window and allow it to draw cold air in - but make sure its fanned up.

There is another app that works similar to N Tune... mentioned on this forum elsewhere - which I have and use - but it takes a fair bit of reading to get through - Its called N hancer

http://www.nhancer.com/

Its pretty much the same as N tune - but its not made by Nvidia - Works well - but I struggle with all the options and understanding what they mean.

It would be alot easier if there was a g card profile database out there - so we could upload and d/load g card profiles - like LFS setup field - would be awesome.

Hiope that helps , me lil old Scottish (read tight-wad) friend....

Last edited by Widdowmaker, Mon 12 Nov 2007, 18:59.

Seven-time world champion Michael Schumacher will come out of retirement to test drive for Ferrari in Barcelona next week, the team said on Tuesday.


http://edition.cnn.com/2007/SP ... umacher/?iref=mpstoryview

I thinik he would make a great Mentor for a younger driver, and to be able to calm and motivate a younger driver, with the ability to score points as well.

Probably the wrong thread to continue this discussion as there is the other one about Macclaren.

What ever Hakkinen does, he made his own significant contribution to motor sport, I just think he left F1 prematurly, and with the abundance of "young" talent that is around at present, he may just be the level head that Maclaren may need at the mo.

Anyone ever considered, thats theres a spare seat at Maclaren. I dont think it would be a strange thing for him to slide back into an F1 seat for a season, with nothing to loose.....

Quote from J.B. :

Agree about the companies. I'm thinking more along the lines of the wealthy benefactor that wants to invest in the long term to make a profit on possible future earnings of the driver.

I can only think of one way a young man, would get a wealthy benefactor to invest money, but you wouldnt be able to sit in the race seat for a while.......

Nobody is going to just hand you an opportunity to go racing, just cos you have written a few letters, and attended a karting session, But that shouldnt dampen your spirits. I know you are very keen, from what Ive read, and discussed with you, you are very competative, but none of that makes a racing driver, with out a drive.

Your going to have to spend your own cash my friend, like everyone else. No one gets a drive handed to them for nothing - unless you are fortunate to have your name drawn out of the hat in a raffle where you win a season drive. The odds are well stacked against you.

I recall from the days I wanted to become a pro cricketer, I wrote the letters, to my county, and the neighbouring county. They were acknowledged, and I was invited to attend a trial. Then for 2 years, I trawled back wards and forwards for nets twice a week, Tuesday and Thursdays - 4 hours travelling for a 2 hour session - at my own cost. Sponsorship - I could only get when I got a regular place in the 1st or 2nd squad..... do you know how hard that is? All I wanted was assistance with travel and equipment. If I left work early to play a match - I lost money, If I went to a match, it cost me money - There was no way I could play, work and live.

I tried and loved it but real life won through. Not raining on your parade bud but - try it, but dont be dissapointed if it dont come off, at least you can say you tried.

Quote from Merc68k :

Well I understand the argument that we don't necessarily want to hear anyone's random idea of a good engine sound -- maybe even an option to send your setting to another player like you can with the skins would be okay.

The sound files are (strangely) big, but to send the state of the sliders in the sound config menu would only require a few bytes -- that wouldn't have any impact on server connect time at all.

And you vould actually limit the extent the sliders could go to for each car type.

Allthough I dont feully agree that this is nessercary - it could certainly work - if customisable cars are planned for the furture.

Quote from Big Daddy :

The problem on track days is that insurance won t cover accidents, so I would have to pay them myself, the controverse is that in open roads I will have insurance, even if one crashes with much more higher speed then allowed.
!!

I dont know where you get your insirance from - but you are missinformed my friend.

When I insure my car for track days, I have 2 choices - I can pay for mechanical, and accident damage.

Sure its expensive.

I pay approximatly - £10 per £1000 of value - for a days track racing for accident damage - I then pay an additional cost for mechanical damage. I have had this quoted from many insurers (Keith Micheals/ A plan/Swinton)- but the best quotes come through specialists. My club - has a insurance group as a sponsour, so making it easy.

A word of warning.
What you are doing is not big or clever. Its all so down right stupid to do what you are doing (or saying you are doing) in public places, no matter what time of day. Take your action to a track. No sympathy from me bud if you wreck it, and Im sure your insurance company wont pay out either, especially when they find out what you have been doing.... just may find your self in prison to boot.

In my experience, currently my track of choice and oponent of choice is the FXR, at the Oval, running full grid races over 10 plus laps. Reverse finish order restarts, With a decent set, the AI will draft, and they will also bump.

OK there are wrecks, like most oval racing, and they do touch and bump a fair bit, both each other and the walls, but with safe passing on your part, they are fairly competative. Not as competative as any human tho.

Its about as good as it gets at this stage of development for me.

Quote from Leprekaun :

Its alright Chano and Phonso, I understand some people are busy but the people I'm talking about are those other people who weren't but don't want to participate. I'm not saying that I'm holding a gun against a person's head and tell them "JOIN OR ELSE!" but I mean there have been 766 views of the thread, there can't be 10 or 20 out of those people can join?

It was good of you to stage the event - and marked a line in the sand for Colin. I could not make your event - like I couldnt make the 2 I should have been at today (work commitments this morning).

My RL car club, were at a Rally show today at Chatsworth House. We were fortunate to have Colins CHampionship winning Subaru on our club stand. (We are affiliated with Prodrive who own his old car). At 4 pm, the Rally demos were halted and the only engine you ould here was his car - running for 1 minute, then applauded by over 150 Subarus "Sounding off". If you want to see the tribute our club paid to him - check the next edition of Fast Car Mag (the car won the FAST CAR best stand award)

The 2nd event I missesd was a run up to Lanark to his funeral - attended by 127 cars (all Subarus of many shapes and sizes). A 2 lane convoy up the M6 - Then down into Lanark for the funeral.

Today was a a sad day, made good by all those who loved colin and what he did. He made many people like me, want to own Subarus, and want to drive them very much like he did.

Getting back to the point.

It did not matter how many turned up - what you all did by being there was enough.



RIP Colin

Response to MAtt from the PM

Im still with Pipex, dont know if I have the issues anymore as I dont do LFS online, as its unplayable - or at least was when I last tried. Will try again after next update.

Cant reply to pm as pm wont post.

Hope your issues get sorted.

Cheers

Since posting this - I have gone online and raced with my team mates.... Pre 9pm - I cant get connected - after 10 pm - I can race for ever.... 9-10 pm seems to be a issue as it used to be. Pipex wont say they do - but they must throttle...

Last edited by Widdowmaker, Sat 29 Sep 2007, 16:33.

Quote from Leprekaun :

@Widdow: it has nothing to do with religion .

It may have tho Lep. Got to keep an open mind buddy . Certain people deal with death in different ways, people deal with death in different ways dependant on their beleifs and values.

I poster in this thread feels it ok to "lighten" the mood in grieving by "humourising" the event. There is nothing wrong with that. Ok in the wrong context, it could be misconstrued as "sick", but hey - He knew the guy, theres no one else better to know how to deal with grief other than the person dealing with it.

Its not how they died in this discussion that matters, its the fact they have gone, with no chance of ever saying those things that needed saying, or saying sorry. The one thing you rarely get to say to any one who has died is good bye - and thats the most painfull thing. Even if you do, it still hurts. Its a bloody painfull, hear breaking time, to know you can never wakr to see them again, or discuss the day, things that have happened.

Rmembering the person and paying tribute, is what you were asking, and many will base the way they do that on religious beliefs and teachings - its single minded to say they wont. Funerals in 90% of occasions are a religious act/process.

Regardless....

This is one morbid thread. Cant we pick it up a bit, make it a happy occasion