Quote from kamkorPL :

Woz: Same can be said about street racers, who race on straightways, do races trough traffic on autobahns, race on touges etc. And I bet there are more racers racing ilegally on streets than there are drifters drifting ilegally on streets.

100% correct in every way. They are just as bad.

And when this happened recently http://www.newser.com/story/19230.html my reaction was "Good a load of street racers off the road and this time it was an inocent that killed them!". A taste of their own carnage they feel happy to inflict of the rest of us.

Poor bloke in the car comes round a corner and is blinded and has no outs. Sounds like his passenger died and he got hurt. If you support street racing and drifting this is what you support.

So to recap

Street racer and street drifter. HOPE YOU ALL DIE in a nasty smash WITHOUT hitting an inocent. You deserve it for the risk you put us all in. Harsh but I am sure there are many that feel the same way. We are sick of your SHITE!

Last edited by Woz, Sat 23 Feb 2008, 20:44.

Real race teams know the tracks well and configure the suspension travel so it can deal with what they throw at it. People sit and pour over tememetry to make sure the car operates with the best compromise for the track.

In LFS people use setups they are given and it might not be for the track they are on. Of course you will see susspension damage

Quote from timkiller :

Hi,

Previously it was set so that the open racing cars used the paddles and all the other cars used the h-shift gears.

Now with the y-patch the gtr cars also use the paddles. I do not like this.

So i am wondering is it possible to set it so that the racing cars use the paddles, the gtr cars use the sequential shift and the other cars use the h-shift.

Any suggestions are appreciated.

Regards,

Rowan

The FZR is still H pattern the others have sequental gearboxes so need paddles. This was done to balance the cars.

Quote from D E V I L -Z- :

(2nd Video - I do not support street racing/drifting. Is used only for educational purposes and is done in controlled conditions

Sorry but you lost ALL credibility with that second video. Drifting has NO PLACE EVER on a public road. Only an absolute MORON would consider it OK.

If you are into this sort of thing I hope that when you wrap yourself around something (AND YOU WILL) it is NOT a person coming the other way. I would prefer its was something like a tree so that you don't harm/kill anyone else, JUST YOURSELF!

I mean this with REAL convition BTW, sick of these morons on the streets thinking what they are doing is OK, it is NOT.

This is not an attack on drifting on tracks, JUST public roads! When the drift community starts to realise its not ok it will get the credibility is wants, until then more inocent people will CONTINUE to die and the to the public the sport will remain in the gutter. If you can't understand this you ARE part of the problem

Last edited by Woz, Sat 23 Feb 2008, 19:32.

Just buy a licence!

We had all this bitching about XRT no longer in the demo when Y cam out.

Also an auto box has no place in LFS.

Quote from Jakg :

Multi-threading means slightly improved FPS for HT users and GREAT FPS improvements for us with high-end kit (and those with average dual cores). For single core users it yeilds no improvement or disadvantage.

Good multi threading requires an overhead to keep in sync and to protect data overwrite etc. So a move to multithread does have an impact on single core users.

Also HT actually has a negative impact sometimes because there is a single shared core so the extra context switching can slow things down.

Quote from sil3ntwar :

God forbid they try and keep the events running by getting sponsorship

Yep they should stop all adverts and then just put up the ticket price to compensate


Bathurst is on of the best tracks in the world IMHO, it would not be allowed for safety reason if made now. If this is what is required to keep the high cost spectacle that is the Bathurst 1000 going then why not. Better than PPV to watch the race.

You don't have to buy the shite they try and pump at you. Just step out of the commercial world. I did this years back and have not looked back. Just stop buying branded shite, in reality it is NO better than non-brand stuff you just pay to be a billboard.

Myself I have the perfect 6 pack, its just I lost the plastic bit that holds it all together

Quote from Ikaponthus :

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The reason you have had loads of grief is simple. When you made you original post the forum would have listed LOADS on threads about the AI.

It is normally GOOD FORM to post in existing threads BECAUSE they carry loads of information on the subject already and what you are posting can draw on that information.

Just starting a new thread on a well thrashed subject which is being worked on at the moment will get you hassle EVERY time.

Patch Y solved the speed problems that the old AI had. They also DO react to you now if you are infront of them, just not from the side yet. They will still ram you if you are well off pace.

HTH

lol this thread is funny.....

To clear up for the cruse crowd.....

1) Race
1) Drift

NOTE: I put joint equal. People will argue both ways BUT they are both motor sport so classed even to stop fights

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99) Cheese rolling. At least it still has a winner

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200) Bog snorkling. Still has a winner

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??) Cruise. No winners, just a load of losers

Last edited by Woz, Fri 22 Feb 2008, 00:27. Reason : typo

Quote from Hankstar :

Body rub is standard at my place Woz.

rotf

Quote from kamkorPL :

Well.. You might have as well written "everyone".

Not really. Drifters posted comments like "I am a drifter and I voted no" So I know exactly WHAT I meant, you can try ALL you like to put the words in my mouth you would LIKE me to say


In the end it does not matter what you lot WANT. I can't see you getting it. Scawen is focused on racing. LFS is popular with drifters because of the physics but that does not mean he will add stuff to encourage it

Just look at cruise servers, filtered OUT by default.

You can all bitch as much as you like. You know the reasons why 45degrees wont get in. Every time this topic comes up it goes round and around. Everything that needs to be said has been. I am out of here.

I cant wait until body rub is implemented

Quote from Nikn :

show me a production car that comes with 4 different types of LSD, fully adjustable suspension and nearly infinitely many gear ratios.

BOTTOM LINE: LFS = race sim and hence the cars in LFS have a bias for racing, NOT drifting. Allowing the options you ask for DOES EFFECT racing, the PRIMARY activity for LFS.

Show me a car tuned for racing that has 45degree lock

Many here want the setup options on the road based cars to be VERY limited and you will probably find this will come. I know many would like the gears for example selected by number of teeth to make setting more realistic.

But currently the huge selection settings are a hangup to pre S1 days when they helped getting the physics right. The huge range of settings are no longer required for the slower cars and hopefully will be limited at some point.

Something like the UF1 for example should have hardly ANY setup options that can be changed.

Quote from dougie-lampkin :

As I've said before, scavier seem to have absolutely no problem with cruise servers (idk about drift, that always seemed rather noob-ish to me...). If they did, features would be taken away, but instead new features are being added specifically FOR cruise servers, such as the new filter.

The default is to filter OUT cruise servers so you could say it was added to minimise people on them lol

Quote from rueb :

The racing cars (open seaters, R cars) only got 26 degrees steering lock, and the other cars got 36, we want 40-50 steering lock on RWD Cars, not all the racing cars...

sigh again.

The GTR cars IRL would NOT be able to have 45 degree AT ALL.

There is just NOT the space under the hood for BIG wheels with a car that sits low and that has a big engine to FIT 45degree lock.

Please do not confuse the GTR cars with a drifters cars, they are VERY VERY different. GTR cars are created with a single purpose in mind. This is the cause of the limitation on steering lock, race cars do not need big lock so the space is used for other things.

The lock USED to be 45degrees for all cars years back but the dev team lowered it to REALISTIC levels for the cars. Drifters fit AFTER MARKET parts to extend the locks. These have not been fitted to the cars.

It has JUST be stated that allowing the lock DOES effect racers, so will probably not happen.

Your best bet is to ask for a specific car for drifters that DOES allow the settings and that DOES not effect racing. Anything else will get HUGE resistance.

HTH

sigh

This has been over again and again and again.

Changing the max lock DOES effect racers. It allows people to run lock far far higher that would be possible and hence catch slides they should not be able to catch. This has a NEGATIVE effect on races as people who should have crashed out can catch and recover.

I even started a poll a while back asking if a car aimed a drifters should be added to LFS. A car that allowed extreme setups that drifters want, the right weight distributions and power curves etc. A car that would not effect races and I even explained WHY the car is required and guess what?

Drifters still voted NO in the poll saying "we don't need a drift car, just raise the locks".

Please think about what you ask. The cars in LFS have been through loads of balancing and all are aimed at racers. I am not a fan of drift but DO understand the needs of drifters. Its just a specific car better suits LFS, not changing the cars in a way that DOES EFFECT racers.

CLear now?

The far better way in the end to put off wreckers is a rating system like the chess rating systems.

These sorts of systems start people off at a set point score, say 1000. The start score represents the average driver.

At the end of the race you score is adjusted up/down based on where you place and where you were expected to place due to the other drivers ratings. A DNF would count as everyone else ahead of you so a real big penalty, to make people WANT to finish a race.

This would let server admins set a min rating they will allow to join.

This would temper people T1 and for wreckers, they would soon end up with a rating down in the toilet and would never be able to join a server that was rating locked.

Trouble is noobs would also suffer the same until they became more consistent in their driving.

Quote from RatzMilk :

I also agree with the posters above, we need more tracks. The number of cars is ok.

We should have a system like the Skin download system. You can upload your 10 favorite tracks. If you host a race, you can choose any of the 10 tracks which is then downloaded by those that race on the server.

Maybe even make this track download system available as premium service like the high resolution skins.

I'm not interested is paying for hi res skins, but I would happily pay to download tracks to race on.

And like other games with user created tracks, the developers wouldn't be held responsible for the licensing of the tracks ah la rfactor or GTR2.

I'm actually about to buy rfactor just so I can race V8 Supercars around Bathurst. I'd be happy to race the GTR cars in LFS around Bathurst, or Imola, or Suzuka etc., but that simply isn't going to be happening in the near future.

I'm quite happy to put up with the inferior physics of rfactor, to get access to the greater range of tracks.

Its not as easy as that. The tracks need to be built. If all that will happen is that we have loads of rF tracks then BIG BIG -1 for modding. Most of those tracks are conversions of conversions.

We need tracks built and optimised for LFS from the ground up or its just pointless.

All down to no new real content (Apart from FMB and an SO config since S2)

Things are very quiet down under now most nights. Only solution is S3 IMHO to bring new cars/tracks.

Quote from Jakg :

WE NEED MULTITHREADING!

+1

Dual core is common and 4 core cpu's starting to hit the market, more than enough power to do what is required. Also if you make your app multi threaded it will scale to use the cores that are available, not the case for the PPU.

Its just pointless for any developer to support PPU's IMHO.

In a years time people will all but forgotten about them

TBH, I would prefer to see S3 soon. Its been years since S2. Its time for new tracks and cars.

Quote from somasleep :

Politically motivated prosecutions are extremely destructive to democratic government. What kind of democracy do you have when after you lose an election your opponents gather together to prosecute and imprison you?

This is the kind of stuff people do all the time in third world countries. Think about it.

Its NOT about election loss. Bush and Blair should BOTH be locked up. They lied and cheated their way into a war and then tried to sweap the lies under the carpet.

BTW: US is not even a real democracy, votes = money nothing else

Looking at the join dates for many in the thread I assume you don't realise that LFS has credits to unlock cars in S1 days. It was removed as was a bit crap, easy to cheat and on the whole did not fit right for LFS.

I had assumed that the new driving tests would be used to limit which cars could be driven. I.e, you can't drive the car until you pass the test but I get the feel Scawen is waiting for the final AI tweaks to make them more aware before that is turned on.

Needing the tests to drive cars will stop some wreckers in the faster cars as they will need to learn to drive. You will find real resistance to any form of credit system here though. LFS is a sim, not an RPG.

The best system really is just something simple, wrecked car a wait before you can race again.

In the end though, if you do find a moron on your server just BAN them. Does not help demo users as ban is not ban, but that is the limitation of demo.

Credits to fix etc is a big no from me.

I would prefer that if you retire from a race due to car damage, if you can't reach the pits to fix, then you miss the next race.

That would add some element of fear to crashes in LFS. IRL you wory about your safety and that tempers how you drive

Quote from atlantian :

okey, fine i ment that power is good, but it's not the first mod you would do to your car if you want to drift. and i ment the GTR, sorry.

and off topic, please don't use the c-word so freely, it is a very effective swear word, because barely anyone uses it, and the less someone uses the word, the more offensive it becomes, we want to keep it offensive so that we would have an "emergency" word to fall back on, if you would... the more you use it, the more it becomes acceptable, and then... you will have to start making up swears, like "jibber-jabby" or "fu*k-head" or "head-fu*k"

No worries. I ended up having to use because it was required to highlight why the name was such. Prob ended up using more than should have