Quote from Cue-Ball :

All that is needed is ...

Yes, it is so very simple, as long as you do not consider that what you suggest
... will add a layer of exploitable code for which there is no solution.
... may cause bad experiences for a sizeable amount of users.
... could fulfill the previous points without actually being used much, and will certainly do so before being "overused".

Most of the userland/policy issues would be alot less apparent if a server running the restrictions was flagged as private, in which case the code makes no sense since you will achieve exactly the same by doing the small amount of organizing required for a semi-private server. Your suggestion will also reject someone who's built a clutch pedal that pushes a button, and admit someone who uses an xbox controller as a h-shifter.

Mega Man 2

Quote from Cue-Ball :

LFS already knows what you've selected.

What you've selected does not need to equal or even be remotely similar to what you are using, the code is pointless. You will achieve exactly as much by running a league or a "club" with the restrictions you want.

Quote from Cue-Ball :

The main issue is to be able to detect and lock out people who aren't using an analog (axis) clutch.

Writing software to do something software can never do, creating the issue illustrated above. What a fantastic improvement to LFS.

Quote from George Kuyumji :

... where everybody uses the same techniques of driving

Software alone cannot verify this, simple as that. It makes no sense to define rules for things you can't evaluate.

What's the point in enforcing things you cannot verify. Anything could send the axis value for the clutch, including a button. The H-shifter uses keys or joystick buttons, anything can send them, including paddles. It's not feasible to check for these things, the result is lots of code that will break as soon as anyone tries to break it.

Quote from Spacid :

EDIT: I don't know how barricade actually works

Quote from SamH :

Racers and Admins of servers use this form to report wrecking behaviour (primarily on S2 servers). An email notification is immediately dispatched to each of the admins in our "wrecker barricade network" individually, including a link to an MPR which has been uploaded to support the report.
[...]
Admins are free to decide, based on the behaviour they see in the MPR, what action they wish to take on their own servers.

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There's probably some MTC stuffs in JInSim

Quote from ajp71 :

If you went down the mod line you'd likely end up with either the rF mismatch/wrong versions etc. route or the fairly dismal alternative of using a torrent type system like DR tries to, that would result in huge loading times

I don't think LFS would be limited to choosing between a non-system and a poor system. BitTorrent is a great technology for distributing huge files by creating a huge network of unreliable sources, not so good for small files on a small network.

Let's say Scawen adds a file-not-found check to the update distribution system, triggered by the game not being able to find a file (or a file being "OOS") LFS would ask if you'd like to download the file and ask the master server where to find this file. Great for a broken installation. Add multiple source downloading and source broadcasting, dedicated servers (being servers) could notify the master server saying they're ready to serve the following list of files/packages, and/or that these files are available at location x.

Add a custom track to a dedicated server, set it up for distributing the file along with one or more sources on the web and clients could probably download the new content at very decent speeds without ridiculous delays before transfers start. A very generic update / repair system for the game turns into a decent "mod" distribution system with Scavier unable to control the contents and thus not "selling" unlicensed content. The system would still work if the master server was given to the community, if/when service and support is dropped for LFS.

Technology aside, obviously i want more tracks. If i had an amazing car in real life i'd want to drive it at many locations. Same thing.

Quote from Dygear :

Really?!? He released it?

:Kick_Can_ :juggle:

I actually worked on some insim code today! ... in Ruby

Basically a re-post, i'd like to see something like different channels, RSS feeds perhaps (very trendy), subscribing to tags (or level / category of misbehaviour, ... something) you want and get some bans applied automatically.

"The more choice available, the more likely people will choose nothing.", kind of fits the current system, IMHO.

Hello! i was sort of waiting to see if there was any interest at all.

So i guess we're racing. Too late for website signup stuffs and i'm too tired to do PMs so i'll go for backup plan D:

All times in UTC/GMT

Password 18:00 to 18:50: cookin
Password starting from 18:50: same as previous events.

The server will be up from about 18:00 (qualifying starts 19:00).

*Edit: stats!

race_1-fe5_lx6.html
race_2-ky3_lrf.html

Bit of a holiday special with two rounds of cookin', many pies awarded to everyone who showed up.

Last edited by filur, Mon, 25 Dec 2006 21:21. Reason : stats!

Quote from Scawen :

About half of you do need to unlock, because of a fix in the unlocking system. I've just raised everyone's unlocks available to 2 right now, in case you do need to unlock.

:Kick_Can_

These be samples:

http://thenz.org/soundcomparison.rar

Overall the new ones seem slightly improved.

Quote from Hyperactive :

I defenately want the high wind as scheduled on later races
+1000 for wind, -1000 for pure hotlapping conditions

+1

Quote from Winkel :

In the attachment i put comparison of LFS GTI and GeneRally sounds ;]

I think you've managed to slightly improve the LFS sound with to some added distortion.

Just "open the window" a bit and it should sound something like this (without the using-a-mic-to-record-speakers @ 8khz effect)

A separate "patching exe file" could be distributed by the current update system, it could be designed as a launcher, notifying you if there is an update (and performing the updates), launching the game if there isn't one. In my opinion this is a slightly better design, avoiding the restart for players who want tracks loaded as LFS starts, alerting and updating for players who don't race online very often and keeping the update code separated from LFS itself.

That said, the current system is very good.

First laps were not funny. :guilty:

At the start i got surprised by the wind, went off in turn one and drove straight into Tyrion who had also gone off, very sorry about that, i think you were still going backwards when i decided where to go or something :sorry: I know it wasn't a very spectacular incident, just really odd.

Anyway, good race, i hope i wasn't too aggressive with all my attempts to pass in the chicane.

Stats

Sounds like you want to filter messages and commands, could make for some tedious verification procedures i think, atleast for the chat messages, and i don't think chat messages should ever be filtered since it'll probably introduce administrative stuff under a false sense of security.

+1 for being able to hear/affect/control commands though.

Quote from Rugero :

got a quick question
is it normal that the carsounds after installing u34 sounds much different then in the first u patch?

Wow, i think you just took the record in not reading the thread you post in.

Quote from Scawen :

Car Sound Improvements

Quote from Anarchi-H :

I could write the code the backend would require on a couple of sheets of toilet paper if I were to use LFSWorldSDK or PPF to parse the data.
Anyway, I think you've got your way and I've got mine. I doubt they are going to converge (do they ever? ) so I'd best just drop it...

Still might try it though

I don't mean it's a bad idea or that it would take very long, just that i wouldn't use it for the thing i had in mind (and not really fit the target group of users [my target group, if i was to .. etc etc]).

The JSON provider would surely be a neat thing all by itself.

FLP

LX4 - M.Forsberg (filur)
LX6 - n/a.

Quote from Anarchi-H :

If you are just going to display it, you are making things harder to adapt.

But very simple to use (and present), if the JSON backend already existed that't be great, but i wouldn't write one for this purpose.

I can't see many people using the more advanced stuff (insert fancy terms of choice, im very tired. ).

Quote from Anarchi-H :

(filur: You aren't a Java programmer per chance are you? )

No.

Quote from imthebestracerthereis :

so if i put that in my website will it show up :X Sorry, im a noob :dnfnoob:

That stuff was just an idea, needs someone to create and serve it. Would probably need to be lfsworld since pubstats is sort of a semi-non-free service now, would be a bit weird if someone else offered a mirror of practically everything for free.

Quote from Anarchi-H :

That would be JS aggregation

:shhh:

Quote from Anarchi-H :

I think it would be better to just give it back in a var though than display it, or like I said before use JSON. The advantage to the latter would be that you could use multiple remote scripting techniques to fetch it

I think i'd stick to extremely simple stuff for JS, code generator style, click button, copy, paste, stuff appears on website. XML for anything else.