Because we tried and we get attacked anyway.
Christianity has been so bad for Europe that it needs to be diluted with Islam which is so bad itself that it requires people to escape its horrific conditions by the millions. Interesting point of view.
I believe that Secularism is the dominant religion and that is what they are diluting. I have faith that if we continue on the path of innovation, freedom, and personal responsibility we will find our destiny and purpose faster than any religion can promise. Who can say what we will find out about ourselves when we struggle to prosper and find happiness outside of the atmosphere of this planet? Only secularism and maybe some benign spirituality can take us there.
Why do you care if Muslims hate us? Why do you think they will hate you less if they live next to you? We have hot sexy women and strong drinks, we go to space to play with dune buggies on the moon. If they hate that then screw them they can keep killing and burning and raping each other in the deserts.
I believe that Secularism is the dominant religion and that is what they are diluting. I have faith that if we continue on the path of innovation, freedom, and personal responsibility we will find our destiny and purpose faster than any religion can promise. Who can say what we will find out about ourselves when we struggle to prosper and find happiness outside of the atmosphere of this planet? Only secularism and maybe some benign spirituality can take us there.
Why do you care if Muslims hate us? Why do you think they will hate you less if they live next to you? We have hot sexy women and strong drinks, we go to space to play with dune buggies on the moon. If they hate that then screw them they can keep killing and burning and raping each other in the deserts.
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No one though of a reason why Muslim immigration has made their country a better, richer, and safer place? Or what return on investment we can expect from giving them everything we earned that the culture and society they created could never produce? (safety, health, money, leisure, technology,...)
We earn these things by living according to the law and basic morality/expectations of our society, and punishing those who do not. They have managed to change the laws to provide an advantage to themselves over you. They also changed the moral expectations since no one here sees a problem with tolerating violence and ingrat ... id to bring to your home. They hide behind the word 'racist' to avoid answering tough questions about the failure of their religious politics.
@Shotglass: since you mentioned a famous book I thought you might want to read this write up about rampant antisemitism among the German Leftist parties, now accused of fishing for votes from their new Muslim constituents who they lobbied to import and provide welfare to. Small wonder to see the worst historical enemies of Jews living together in perfect harmony. Can't stand the Israelis, who live in a mostly Western culture and don't behead each other or burn their daughters for looking at men, but can tolerate Islam perfectly though they do those things so often they need to take refuge in Europe because they cannot change Islam.
We earn these things by living according to the law and basic morality/expectations of our society, and punishing those who do not. They have managed to change the laws to provide an advantage to themselves over you. They also changed the moral expectations since no one here sees a problem with tolerating violence and ingrat ... id to bring to your home. They hide behind the word 'racist' to avoid answering tough questions about the failure of their religious politics.
@Shotglass: since you mentioned a famous book I thought you might want to read this write up about rampant antisemitism among the German Leftist parties, now accused of fishing for votes from their new Muslim constituents who they lobbied to import and provide welfare to. Small wonder to see the worst historical enemies of Jews living together in perfect harmony. Can't stand the Israelis, who live in a mostly Western culture and don't behead each other or burn their daughters for looking at men, but can tolerate Islam perfectly though they do those things so often they need to take refuge in Europe because they cannot change Islam.
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lol you may need to throw some better bait than that, I haven't seen him around.
I got it, just don't feel the need to respond to every clever quip that comes my way.
Somehow we used to manage without the welfare state. All throughout history there was no social safety net. Somehow, the people that thrived are the ones that failed and suffered the most and then built our nations. Now there is no reason to have 'grit' or perseverance, our tolerance for risk and hardship is so low we just did away with it. And we sue whenever things don't go our way. We won't try anything new or throw out failed policies or useless regulations. Just soldier on towards stagnation and grab whatever handouts you can on the way down.
It would be nice if all Americans who want to go to college could go, if we weren't giving tens of thousands of dollars to immigrants and known radicals like the Boston bombers for nothing at all in return. Maybe if radical Muslim immigrants couldn't get welfare they wouldn't have so much time on their hands to spend at the mosque talking about how terrible we are while we make and buy their lunch.
Talk about putting them above you in your own society. What is illegal for you and would land you in jail is not only legal for Muslims, you pay them to do it. I wonder if a child born in a Little Somalia council house with 3 mothers and many siblings on welfare will grow up to be a nice British boy. I cannot be the only one who feels it is economic suicide to pay people more money to have additional children on top of the ones they cannot support already. And while they f*** all day at home, you're at work paying for it.
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I understand the eu is not a country. I dont want to name every country in the eu every time i reference that region.
I do, they would rather live in the UK (if it weren't for all the infidels) so it must not have been great.
There is a percentage of Muslim immigrants and their adult children who have been exposed to radical Islamic ideology in mosques and online. Most don't do anything but fume, but a small 'sect' of people do organize to attack us. It seems logical that as the Muslim population increases due to their high birthrate this will add to the numbers of those radicalized especially if they then pass that on to their children.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/faith/article3755800.ece
want a few dozen more stories like this about similar mosques? How many people are under their influence? How many children will they raise in that environment? This is a growing ideology, not a growing pain of assimilation.
They is all immigrants, here is Western countries that have programs designed to facilitate migration from the Asia and Africa. I mention Pakistanis because they are very adept at this point at relocating to the West and form a large part of the Muslim immigrant population. They are forced to live here because it is irresistible given the choice, even though they should be aware at this point what kind of culture they are moving into and should be prepared to accept it as willingly as we accept them.
Everything! Like I said before: it can't be a precedented phenomena where peoples who failed to create an acceptable place to live and code of ethics to live by are simply shipped to places that were successful in creating a functional society. We need to see some serious monetary benefit to justify the billions we have spent to bring these people to our countries because they gave up on advancing their own society. The detriment is that we are attacked and loathed by some of the people who we brought here. I'm saying it wasn't worth it that we have to witness violence that is integral to a culture not our own in places that are entirely our own, for good and bad.
We cannot prevent them from doing those sorts of things as cultural practices in their own countries, but we didn't create a society where assaults like that happen in daylight in front of crowds of people like in Nigeria where it happens every day evidently. How big of a concern was gang rape or pay-for-marriage or acid attacks in the West before Muslim immigration became what it is today? We shouldn't need to witness gruesome brutality from our ancient past while walking to work! We didn't do anything to deserve it except let them in and give them money!
If are expected to suffer radical Islam gaining influence in our countries and over minority groups with the consequent terrorist attacks, we should at least be paid well for it or see major benefits to the economy as a result (sarcasm). But in fact we pay money to bring that to our communities, and pay for that mistake in blood.
The problem is those men were born in Britain. Unless their parents schemed for their children to kill people than what happened is simply a symptom of immigration from undeveloped countries. There will always be that percentage of radicals, and that sect will always want to murder you. The more you bring in and the more children they create, the more are in that percentage who are anti-western. That doesn't count youth who are indoctrinated from moderate Muslim families into believing in jihad in certain mosques.
The only option is a complete reversal away from forced multiculturalism. It failed, and it is forced; we are forced to pay for and accomodate them, they are forced to live here because given a choice no one chooses to live in Pakistan over London. No one. Both sides are pressured into this dysfunctional relationship for reasons unknown.
*edit: what happens when you add pressure to a cultural schism? It explodes into conflict! They are better at conflicting than you are! Lots of practice!
Not a single person here can describe how they personally have benefited economically from the immigration programs that are in place. Wasn't that the whole point, to shore up predicted menial labor shortage in the EU? Is it worth witnessing decapitations or gang rapes or acid attacks where in Western Europe those things were virtually nonexistent? Wouldn't you prefer to go back to those days?
I challenge anyone to state what tangible benefit is gained from spending billions of tax dollars to import Muslim immigrants. The downsides are very in-your-face so maybe the benefit is hidden somewhere I can't see.
The only option is a complete reversal away from forced multiculturalism. It failed, and it is forced; we are forced to pay for and accomodate them, they are forced to live here because given a choice no one chooses to live in Pakistan over London. No one. Both sides are pressured into this dysfunctional relationship for reasons unknown.
*edit: what happens when you add pressure to a cultural schism? It explodes into conflict! They are better at conflicting than you are! Lots of practice!
Not a single person here can describe how they personally have benefited economically from the immigration programs that are in place. Wasn't that the whole point, to shore up predicted menial labor shortage in the EU? Is it worth witnessing decapitations or gang rapes or acid attacks where in Western Europe those things were virtually nonexistent? Wouldn't you prefer to go back to those days?
I challenge anyone to state what tangible benefit is gained from spending billions of tax dollars to import Muslim immigrants. The downsides are very in-your-face so maybe the benefit is hidden somewhere I can't see.
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If it wasn't better here they wouldn't come here. We didn't make it the best here for them, we did it for us. If there is any difficulty caused by charitably bringing people here as refugees we owe it to ourselves to stop immediately. Isn't it logical to avoid confrontation and cultural schism if we have to power to do so?
I know I think I should call a publisher, my first book will be a guide for new immigrants from the Middle East called "How to Act Like You Haven't Seen Many People Get Beheaded"
Looking more into the news stories, these men were nothing more than predatory animals. These people exist all over the world, are all colors and nationalities. They can attack you or a child as easily as they beheaded that soldier. We didn't create these people, their own culture and governments encourage the behavior we saw in the video in their own nations where, as he says, these things happen every single day. And then we bring them here to rescue them. We need to be rescued from them, not the other way around. Even a second generation of british culture couldn't remove the rage to kill from these men. Our secular culture is not attractive or desirable to Muslims and they do not want to limit their actions to our moral standard that we agree to live by. Jihadis may hate you and your nationality, but they love the money you shower them with just to show up and pump out kids. We cannot show them the way because we no longer believe in the superiority of our way of life over Islamic fascism. People on this forum seriously believe life is as bad in the US as it is in Nigeria or can be compared to Islamic theocracies in human rights and overall quality of life, treatment of women, random violence... Your willing ignorance leaves you defenseless and child-like, easy to kill and terrorize. We civilized people will always be victims of men like these until we rediscover the qualities that our ancestors had when they created the almost miraculously stable and prosperous nations we live in.
When it comes down to it, what did we do as individuals to deserve to be forced to live with these people by our governments? Surely it can't be a precidented phenomena where peoples who failed to create an acceptable place to live and code of ethics to live by are simply shipped to places that were successful in creating a functional society. We* built the first-world civilizations for ourselves because we are the only people capable of creating something so advanced by the year 2013. It is too valuable to give away to strangers who treat it as a given that we will accept their morals and fully fund their new, better lives at high cost to our own culture and economies.
*'we' includes many people and ethnicities, not just caucasians.
When it comes down to it, what did we do as individuals to deserve to be forced to live with these people by our governments? Surely it can't be a precidented phenomena where peoples who failed to create an acceptable place to live and code of ethics to live by are simply shipped to places that were successful in creating a functional society. We* built the first-world civilizations for ourselves because we are the only people capable of creating something so advanced by the year 2013. It is too valuable to give away to strangers who treat it as a given that we will accept their morals and fully fund their new, better lives at high cost to our own culture and economies.
*'we' includes many people and ethnicities, not just caucasians.
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Historical guilt is really a silly thing. Do you think Muslims feel guilty that they destroyed their own advanced scientific civilization and plunged into darkness and superstition? We fought the wars to finish religious protestant vs. catholic violence in the West hundreds of years ago, and then we really took off as a civilization. The result is all around us and it is greater than anything that came before.
The US, EU, Japan and other first world nations share a common culture defined by our advancements in technology, democracy, and human rights. We fought each other and made ourselves stronger. We are leaders of the Earth because we know how to do better than what has been done in countries that are not at our level of achievement. We are more stable and prosperous because our ideas of how things should be are largely correct, or at least better than anywhere else. The undeveloped world has nothing to teach us that we didn't know for the last 100 years at least.
If you don't advance and grow as a culture it will fall to stronger cultures. We have forgotten that, and so we allow our dead conjoined twin that is Islam to fester and rot to kill the host, literally.
Whether or not you feel guilty for imperialism, you are on the winning side. Is your guilt enough to make you give your computer, your car, your phone, and your house to an immigrant family who can give you nothing in return except their radicalized offspring? Everything you have is because of the work of people who came before you who didn't give into inferior ways of thinking and instead built the First World we enjoy so much and want the rest of the world to achieve for themselves. Shame on you for feeling guilty because we are prosperous and safe. We don't owe anybody, I wasn't alive to incur a debt to Islam and neither were you.
The US, EU, Japan and other first world nations share a common culture defined by our advancements in technology, democracy, and human rights. We fought each other and made ourselves stronger. We are leaders of the Earth because we know how to do better than what has been done in countries that are not at our level of achievement. We are more stable and prosperous because our ideas of how things should be are largely correct, or at least better than anywhere else. The undeveloped world has nothing to teach us that we didn't know for the last 100 years at least.
If you don't advance and grow as a culture it will fall to stronger cultures. We have forgotten that, and so we allow our dead conjoined twin that is Islam to fester and rot to kill the host, literally.
Whether or not you feel guilty for imperialism, you are on the winning side. Is your guilt enough to make you give your computer, your car, your phone, and your house to an immigrant family who can give you nothing in return except their radicalized offspring? Everything you have is because of the work of people who came before you who didn't give into inferior ways of thinking and instead built the First World we enjoy so much and want the rest of the world to achieve for themselves. Shame on you for feeling guilty because we are prosperous and safe. We don't owe anybody, I wasn't alive to incur a debt to Islam and neither were you.
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I could argue that but I don't see what it has to do with Muslim radicalization in the West, which is what I'm trying to talk about with little success. The difference in culture between immigrants and westerners is a topic that can no longer be conveniently diverted or ignored. If no one else feels like what we have built is worth keeping then I'll stop because we've already lost.
*I've written enough in this thread to digest and respond to for a while. I don't want to respond to side comments.
*I've written enough in this thread to digest and respond to for a while. I don't want to respond to side comments.
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The last Muslim to go on a shooting spree in the US is not considered to be a terrorist because of political correctness, even though he shouted islamic epithets while shooting up an army base. You do know that the US has less violence per capita than the UK or Pakistan, right? It is another failure that even you believe our Western culture is inferior though the violence and oppression that occurs systematically as a natural course of Islamic politics is at a level never seen in any first-world country. You believe everything made up about this country while stifling any criticism of Muslim countries. Just how they like it.
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I of course agree that not all Muslims are extremist, but polling and research suggests that actually 10-20% of Muslims in the UK and EU would be considered to be indoctrinated in Jihad or sympathize strongly with extremist groups. That percentage doesn't change very much, but the number of Muslims increases quickly, meaning that percentage includes more and more radicalized youth. It is a failure of Western culture that it is not far more attractive than violent Jihad and terrorism. The value that we put on the staples of modern life obviously isn't high enough, or we aren't promoting ourselves in a way where freedom and technology have more benefits than oppression and violence in our communities, regardless of foreign policy.
This is a battle of ideology being fought only by one side. Because of political correctness, we don't even have rudimentary methods for fighting against radicalization in mosques and especially online. I'm not talking about what the police are doing, but what citizens are doing to make it obvious to impressionable immigrants that what we are doing in our countries is demonstrably better than the countries they escaped from. We are failing miserably in that respect, and programs of forced multiculturalism and welfare dependancy have only compounded the problems.
Our cultures are absolutely incompatible when placed side-by-side. Look at what our culture has created in terms of freedom and opportunity vs what Islamism offers: suffering for all women and regression for the entire society into what resembles our medievil past hundreds of years ago. We need to be more forceful in sticking up for ourselves against threats to our culture and superior way of life.
And it is superior, but political correctness and cultural relativity in the government and institutions make it impossible for us to enforce western morals on immigrants. Forced marriages should be punished by imprisonment, but it goes ignored or unreported in the UK along with many other offenses that are standard fare for Islamic countries. The punsihment for non-assimilation has to be deportation. We need to be able to choose the best of who we bring here and lose the extremist or otherwise undesirable people (no skills, mental instability, poor health) because we owe nothing to immigrants and are not responsible for their happiness. If they are not happy they need to go home, not force us to accomodate them. We need to force them to accomodate to us. We built this house.
This is a battle of ideology being fought only by one side. Because of political correctness, we don't even have rudimentary methods for fighting against radicalization in mosques and especially online. I'm not talking about what the police are doing, but what citizens are doing to make it obvious to impressionable immigrants that what we are doing in our countries is demonstrably better than the countries they escaped from. We are failing miserably in that respect, and programs of forced multiculturalism and welfare dependancy have only compounded the problems.
Our cultures are absolutely incompatible when placed side-by-side. Look at what our culture has created in terms of freedom and opportunity vs what Islamism offers: suffering for all women and regression for the entire society into what resembles our medievil past hundreds of years ago. We need to be more forceful in sticking up for ourselves against threats to our culture and superior way of life.
And it is superior, but political correctness and cultural relativity in the government and institutions make it impossible for us to enforce western morals on immigrants. Forced marriages should be punished by imprisonment, but it goes ignored or unreported in the UK along with many other offenses that are standard fare for Islamic countries. The punsihment for non-assimilation has to be deportation. We need to be able to choose the best of who we bring here and lose the extremist or otherwise undesirable people (no skills, mental instability, poor health) because we owe nothing to immigrants and are not responsible for their happiness. If they are not happy they need to go home, not force us to accomodate them. We need to force them to accomodate to us. We built this house.
the point is you're a troll. You don't put any time or effort to form an educated opinion about a topic but you spent time to find a single incidental word to argue about. I'm finally ignoring you.
We're talking about cultures and peoples to whom the concepts you just mentioned don't exist at all. Your concern is oddly selective.
how about the pejorative dumbshit as it applies to you.
*EDIT: Not all Canadians are dumbshits, just to be fair.
*EDIT: Not all Canadians are dumbshits, just to be fair.
if thats the crux of this whole issue to you then by all means play semantics to avoid having a discussion. That is how progressives ignore the problems they have inflicted upon our society. Divert and deny, you should have Jay Carney's job.
Its racist to talk badly about terrorists because they come from places where not everybody is white...pathetic reasoning.
Its racist to talk badly about terrorists because they come from places where not everybody is white...pathetic reasoning.
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I'm just saying your government shields you from the people that our governments subject us to. It isn't racist, any color person could share the belief in Islamism and Jihad. They are more successful indoctrinating people from countries with high violence and low literacy like in Africa or the Middle East. The Boston bombers were caucasian...
Don't make this about race, I am only talking about regions (Africa) and political movements (Islam), not ethnicities.
Don't make this about race, I am only talking about regions (Africa) and political movements (Islam), not ethnicities.
Whatever apologies or excuses you provide for Muslim terrorists, remember that they do not give you the same benefit of the doubt. Our countries are stable, extraordinarily rich in culture, and on the cutting edge of technology. We don't deserve the affliction of political Islam (Islamism), and we have toiled for hundreds of years to avoid the sociopolitical conditions and abuses that the countries where Muslims come from suffer. We deserve the opportunity to earn the best of everything our culture and technology can create, but now we now pay enormous sums of money to bring the suffering and ultraviolence of the Islamic world to our streets and welcome it with open arms. Who else is to blame for this disaster except ourselves?
We cannot change them, they of course cannot be allowed change us. If we don't like our culture enough to protect it we will lose the future to powerful, violent, and highly attractive hegemonies of which Islamism is the most prolific example that exists today.
@JJ: When is the last time a jobless African immigrant was given full citizenship in Hong Kong and allowed to live on government benefits there? You already live in the ideal situation and you are arguing against it for the purposes of...?
We cannot change them, they of course cannot be allowed change us. If we don't like our culture enough to protect it we will lose the future to powerful, violent, and highly attractive hegemonies of which Islamism is the most prolific example that exists today.
@JJ: When is the last time a jobless African immigrant was given full citizenship in Hong Kong and allowed to live on government benefits there? You already live in the ideal situation and you are arguing against it for the purposes of...?
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This kind of thing, people standing around in congested areas like grazing cows while the wolf rips them apart, doesn't happen much in the Southwestern US if you can imagine. Notice the Muslim terrorist is never without his gun especially in a place where disarmed citizens will never threaten his whim to murder or his religion's long-term political goals. They will defeat you because only they come from places where murder is as casual as walking down the street in London. And you pay dearly for the honor of placing them above you in a society that exists in spite of their best efforts to make it more like their own countries: Nigeria, Pakistan, Iran, Palestine, Somalia, Sudan, Jordan, Syria... all places that have not a single aspect of culture or society we need to emulate to better ours.
You paid for this to happen, ensuring welfare goes to African soldiers who take refuge in your country from the social problems and warfare that they caused. We have already eradicated this kind of widespread behavior from our culture why are we importing it from other cultures? If you think the '99%' moderate Muslims (more like 80% realistically) will side with caucasians to oppose Jihad you are wrong. Britons look pitifully weak standing around not risking a broken nail to help while a man gets beheaded, why would anyone be on your team? No one cares enough to identify and confront Islamofascism and promote the Western culture that created the highest standard of living, opportunity, and technology in the world. We have come to believe the BS rhetoric about colonialism caused the problems inherent in their religion, and the guilt is literally killing us.
You paid for this to happen, ensuring welfare goes to African soldiers who take refuge in your country from the social problems and warfare that they caused. We have already eradicated this kind of widespread behavior from our culture why are we importing it from other cultures? If you think the '99%' moderate Muslims (more like 80% realistically) will side with caucasians to oppose Jihad you are wrong. Britons look pitifully weak standing around not risking a broken nail to help while a man gets beheaded, why would anyone be on your team? No one cares enough to identify and confront Islamofascism and promote the Western culture that created the highest standard of living, opportunity, and technology in the world. We have come to believe the BS rhetoric about colonialism caused the problems inherent in their religion, and the guilt is literally killing us.
welp Microsoft just lost their entire community with the failure that is 'Xbox 1' so I think this game will be an excellent dying breath for this franchise, at least on consoles. I cannot believe Microsoft went so far away from what a game console is supposed to be...I'm not sure they even want people to play games on it, just wave their bodies in front of the Kinect like an interpretive dance which portrays a message of sadness and disappointment for the whole family.
what lovely people we pay to come here and kill us.
Yup they're lying IRS never targeted anybody, Benghazi was a spontaneous protest, and the government loves and benefits all. I never thought you guys were such ardent supporters of the Administration.
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