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gu3st
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6 months and my actual account will also be 20 years old.
gu3st
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Quote from Aleksandr_124rus :Maybe, but I wonder how copyright and licensing extends to tracks? They're not brand names of cars that are manufactured and sold. That's a completely different matter. Like maybe we're allowed to use actual track names? Who would be against that? It's extra publicity for the track owners. Why not?

The same rights apply, modders just openly steal things with no consequence.

LFS has a different stance becuase they also host the content and are thus somewhat liable for it.

And publicity doesn't pay the bills. A game paying them tens of thousands of dollars for a licence pays the bills.
gu3st
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I think it'll be a long time before we ever get realistic tracks with the track editor. Most mod tracks in other sims are just rips from other games which likely won't fly here.
gu3st
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This is likely the issue with Windows recently deploying (recently meaning like 4/5 months ago) the GameInput Runtime which grabs control over wheels. Some vendors have released updated drivers to fix this, but it seems to still affect Logitech wheels.

Disabling the service in Windows fixes it.
gu3st
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Quote from scippie :Thanks, it works!
Did you find a good controller setup? The ones I find on the community don't seem to work very well.

Honestly I played it mostly as a proof of concept. I don't ever play sims in non-VR in my proper setup.
gu3st
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Quote from scippie :Hey gu3st, can you tell me how you installed LFS on the Deck? I want to do the same but I have no experience in installing things that aren't in the Steam store.

https://retroresolve.com/how-to-add-non-steam-games-on-steam-deck-with-pictures/

If this doesn't work, there's a million and 1 other guides out there.
gu3st
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No D34 won't have it.

That's also probably not thbe bug tbh, getting on the inside of the kerb and hooking it will upset the car.
gu3st
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Quote from drifter811 :Not that much of a problem i think. Also it saves all of your settings.

You only get so many unlcoks and they restock at a slow-ish rate. You could run out of unlocks.
gu3st
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Quote from SamGeorgev2 :The steering is connected now and works fine when testing in Logitech G Hub, but the error still appears in LFS saying (Could not setup FF Steer Device. It seems that the game register something as it instantly goes from maximum left to maximum right as I turn the physical steering wheel. I`ve tried adjusting and calibrating everything including steering sensitivity, but the only movements it does is max left to max right

Go into Windows Services (Win + R and type services.msc) and find "GameInput Runtime" and disable it.

It hijacks the FFB device and for whatever reason Logitech hasn't fixed their drivers like Thrustmaster to avoid it from happening.
gu3st
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What about just having a region selector? Make the default auto, but let people be able to override it if DNS decides to give them a suboptimal host
gu3st
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Quote from xolan1993 :There is your problem. Using Wine or any other compatibility layer is not supported nor is it 100% accurate to the windows API. I know you cannot use VMs to play since the performance is abysmal and you need a dedicated graphics card just for that VM alone.

Im sorry to say but playing LfS on linux is not advisable.

Running LFS in Proton/Wine works fine. Even running in a VM yields decent performance for LFS, as long as you don't have architecture translation (ie x86 to ARM on a Mac). Some VM software do offer 3D acceleration without a dedicated GPU for the VM (ie: no PCI Passthrough)


Wine is presenting a fake graphics adapter to the game. This wouldn't cause low performance though. You could try running LFS through Proton instead which should be a bit better optimized for gaming and would use D9VK. Otherwise there's some kind of misconfiguration yielding poor performance as LFS is a very very simple game to be emulating in WINE.
gu3st
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Quote from Victor_SeVen :do you use Content Manager? I have the same problem as you after playing Assetto Corsa, this is a bug caused by Content Manager or LFS, I don't know why, but I can only use G29 in LFS after restarting my PC

Quote from rane_nbg :Did you try to unplug wheel, open lfs start a race, plug the wheel and press ctrl+c? I know this is somewhat pain to do every time, but it's better than a PC restart.

Recently (3 months ago now) Windows shipped a new service as part of the Xbox app called GameInput Runtime. It is the cause of these issues as it hijacks the FFB device. Logitech, for whatever reason, hasn't updated their drivers to address this.

Disabling the service in Task Manager should prevent it from getting a lock on the FFB device and solve the issue.
gu3st
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Quote from rane_nbg :I believe that new AIs in LFS are implemented using some machine learning algorithms, but don't quote me on that. There were attempts to decode the AI path files, but no one succeeded so far and devs are quite silent about their inner workings. We don't really know how they work at all.

What I saw is that once you start racing against them, they do get slightly better, but only by a small margin. This is still nothing close to racing against humans, but it does provide some sort of single-player fun. To add "spacial awareness" to AI is probably the task that needs scientific research, I mean this is an extremely complex topic and one can do many implementations from simple to more advanced. Again, this is something that LFS devs don't have time to work on, so I don't think it will be any better than what we have now.

The basic AI paths are "machine learned" in that they quickly iterate a bunch of attempts to find the "optimal" path but it's pretty brute force.

In terms of racing against them, they don't learn. The learning AI died like 10+ years ago when Scawen made the AI half-decent out of the box (using the presumed current "machine learning" approach).

Any perception of learning while racing is down to placebo effect or just AI gaining tyre temps and thus more speed.
gu3st
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Quote from nikopdr :idk what causes it, but it's a common issue for me after playing AC the wheel inputs stop working in LFS if i launch it afterwards.

Opening the game controller settings through control panel and opening the properties to see the wheel axes somehow fixes this problem without having to restart

Go into Windows Services and disable GameInput Runtime.
gu3st
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Quote from subUwU :actually i've tried that, and that seems to cause more issues, because the faster AI will sit behind the slower AI, causing a massive train, and in the braking zones the slower AI brakes before. Because they lack spatial awareness, the faster AI will run right into them.

Yeah, the AI need to be far more aggressive when there's pace differences.
gu3st
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Quote from Cutie pie :30 fps at 1080p on M2 Max seems really bad.. hopefully it's just extremely unoptimized in early betas, and will become significantly faster by the time final release of Sonoma is out.

It's still a huge leap from what you get from normal Wine. 5-10 FPS at best.

LFS supporting D3D9 probably doesn't help as most of the work on things have been for DX11/DX12. macOS also forces vSync so the 30 FPS could still be >30FPS but synced to 30.
gu3st
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Yes they've basically built their own Proton (with a bunch of patches to Wine) which also does D3D to Metal translation.

It's a really cool initiative. After my current work project this week I'm gonna upgrade my MBP to Sonoma and test it out. I don't dare try it on my Macbook Air.

Some warning is that the intent for it is to let devs see how their game could run on macOS before doing porting work. The expectation isn't that it's a finished system or even production ready. Devs still are supposed to to do the porting stuff but for this kind of stuff it's neat.
gu3st
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Quote from mbutcher :As you know, I tried this on Apple silicon, and it didn't work so well with LFS. I'm going to try Dustin's suggestions above. Thumbs up

It'll be the same. I gave it a try thinking things improved but it's the same on my M1 Pro as before.

Annoyingly, you might get better perf in Parallels (VMWare doesn't yet support 3D). I tried it a year back but I don't have an active Parallels subscription now.
gu3st
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Quote from racerss :How did you run LFS on a macOS? can you make a guide? Big grin

https://www.codeweavers.com/crossover/ is the easiest. Will run 32 bit apps as well as run on Intel or Apple Silicon.

If you know, you can use homebrew to install Crossover's fork of Wine.

https://gist.github.com/doole/063319903a09bfd4954872d73652d0a2#wine-crossover

This is a guide. You don't need to create the 32 bit prefix.
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gu3st
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Quote from gernoff :Little off topic but....... I race in VR and would like to build a steering wheel that can display rotary knob position. Can anyone point me in the right direction for editing wheel/dashboard animated textures? Or is it even possible? My hope/assumption is that the knob texture can be updated by LFS reading which button the rotary switch is commanding.

I don't think LFS has that capability. Closest thing it has is that you can use arrow buttons/keys to cycle through the LCD on cars that have it.

iRacing can do what you're suggesting.
gu3st
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Quote from Avraham Vandezwin :It's true. Doesn't this explain how it is legally possible to appropriate a code for personal gainful use, without an agreement with the authors? Shrug

Coming back to LFS, this game has a very special place in the gaming world. It's been part of our lives for so long, it's made us fantasize so much, that we feel like it's belongs to us. And that feeling is even stronger among those who have invested the most in this game. Each of us wants LFS to become the game he dreams of.

But LFS is not an open source game. And I think we would have nothing to gain from it. Beyond the problems this would pose to online gaming, the day authors can no longer live off their creations and protect their codes, there simply won't be any more creations as great as LFS.*

Using reverse engineering for purposes other than code optimization is not a collaborative development mode. It's a violation of the code. Publishing reverse-engineered data (even partial) is against copyright. The insim gateway is a safer way (but in my opinion much too complex) to allow certain evolutions without compromising the durability of the game.

* I'm always fascinated to find that skin authors often (not all) have more demands of respect for their creations (usually copied from existing liveries) than they give to the authors of the game they're modding on Big grin

For AC I just don't think Kunos cares. There's no financial losses for the modders nor is there any risk of issues with competitive integrity for races. If anything, lots of people who woul dhave never bought AC are picking it up well after its "use before" date becuase they see TikToks showing AC drifts or other interesting things and want to do it themselves.
gu3st
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Quote from Avraham Vandezwin :Reverse engineering would probably bring some awesome developments that we would all like to see with LFS. But the purpose does not justify the means used. Especially if the means used are contrary to the provisions of copyright and the will of the authors.

What Jusupov is doing looks great and it's making him money. I imagine that if Kunos lets him do it, it's because he's acting within the "legal" framework of modding on Assetto Corsa, or at least his work is "tolerated". About LFS, the position of the devs seems clear. So...

AC is also a completed program. It hasn't received any updates in nearly 5 years and there's no signs of anything coming other than a sequel in ~1 year. It also didn't ever have a real competitive online system nor any meaningful attempts to discourage cheating.

Heck, ACC at this point is more or less completed too. It's received its last update recently and all that should be expected is quarterly content dumps to fund AC2 development.
gu3st
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Quote from Sobis :I'm also getting the same error with G29 after reinstalling Windows 10. Never had this error before. Everything works except for FFB. Tried both G HUB and LGS, a different port, nothing helped...

Edit: following this video solved the issue. I used his old installer and once everything was back in working order I updated GHUB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4rsyzqnXAc

Another possibility that's been cropping up is Windows recently enabled a service called GameInput that seems to like to grab FFB devices. Thrustmaster has put out a updated driver for their wheels but I've seen it still affecting Logitech users.

You can disable the service in Task Manager => Services => GameInput Runtime.
gu3st
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Pretty much everything now is abandoning Windows 7 and 8 support. Steam has announced this week that Windos 7 and 8 won't be supported by basically end of year.
gu3st
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One technique that iRacing uses for its telemetry is a memory mapped file for telemetry that then applications can read to get data out of. It might provide that same ease as just reading the memory without requiring reading memory.
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