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gu3st
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Quote from Yisc[NL :;2098388"]Last couple of days we see an increased number of questions about Lapper that are all coming from Turkish players that haven't been online at all or in ages.

In this case - Last online : Sat 26 Mar 2022, 21:38

Still they are talking about server, have requests and so on.
Something fishy is probably going on here.

Yeah.. I've just assumed that some of them are using old pirated versions. Especially as I think 1 of them specifically needed info for an older version of Lapper
gu3st
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Quote from Silverracer :It is my understanding that these sort of interactions do not go well in the...

The groove is purely visual. It's only updated on our client side and we all have our own version of the "groove", which we can even setup to be updated by only our car or by all cars on track. There should be consistent grip be it lap 1 or lap 101 with the only variance from surface types (assuming asphalt vs concrete have different grip). Additionally, the track has a constant temperature (although I can't seem to find what the LFS temperature is).
gu3st
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Quote from Scawen :I don't want to get involved in a conversation but I'll say a few things then...

Unplanned work really is the worst. A few times I've been in the thick of having to run off and spend months rewriting systems where a flaw was discovered was big enough to need to drop everything and address it. People always seem to think that because features stalled that work wasn't being done but if they ever knew the half of it they'd change their tune.
gu3st
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Quote from RealistAdam :It might be the current post I found. It's been a year, but it gives an update on Eric's work.

It would be nice if an article and information were shared with the players about the work done.

I think we are not a minority demanding this. It is exciting to even look at the work done years ago. Who knows how nice it would be to see current works.

https://www.lfs.net/forum/post/2052625#post2052625

It also doesn't help that recently Scawen has needed to take more web development tasks on either. There's enough PHP knowledge in the community that I think a trusted group might be able to help directly or at least give some informed advice. I'm not really a PHP dev anymore (outside of some contract work on a popular livery sharing site), but I do have many many years of knowledge and expertise with web dev.
gu3st
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It'll be interesting with the day/night cycle if there'll be even a rudementary implementation of dynamic track temps. Making the track hotter in the afternoon versus night would make longer races a bit more dynamic (in the absense of rain or other shenaingans).
gu3st
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For #1 I'm already reminded of old cheats that used negative handbrake force to act as a turbo boost
gu3st
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Quote from Aleksandr_124rus :In my opinion, you are making the same mistake as the authors of this mail, and same that many other people are making in thinking in categories of collective responsibility.

Think about it, did Germany or Hitler start WWII? Germany is a country where there were many different people with different opinions. And I am against equating all people of one country with what the leadership of the country does.

But this is not the topic of this thread, those who want to discuss it, please reply to me in this thread - https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/100249-Do-you-hate-Russians%3F-Russian-Ukrainian-military-conflict-

It's really not as deep as you're trying to make it although you do however have a tendency to try to make every puddle into an ocean.
It's not about hating Russians, it's just the bare minimum compliance to the law and a consequence of violating soverignity.
gu3st
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Just throwing a random thought out there but could your server/local be being blocked by cloudflare?
gu3st
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I mean the "not to russia" shouldn't be a surprise. Invading a soverign country isn't fondly looked upon.
gu3st
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Honestly having an open object library (where things go through a similar process to cars) might be a great way to avoid rights issues/theft from other games.
gu3st
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Hell, a refurb Steam Deck is relatively inexpensive (to me at least) and can run Windows along with many other games at 1080p. Can install the OS to an external drive as well as drive an external monitor.
gu3st
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I mean why wouldn't a simulator want to have dynamic weather? Even ignoring rain, tracks vary in temps based on time of day and usage and the grip levels change. It should be a good thing where racing isn't just hotlap simulator and you need to react to changes in grip levels (or moisture).

Speaking from my own experience, the addition of rain to iRacing has been an incredible thing as it changes everything. Every lap you're seeking the limit as the track wets or dries with real reward/consequence from getting it right or wrong. It makes the experience more enjoyable.

Even in dry, having a track evolve over a 3 hour endurance stint where the lap times get faster or slower based on track temps and tyre wear which is interesting to have happen.
gu3st
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Quote from versiu :Other simulator are widely open to any mods. Only big simaracing databases bans any copyrighted stuff.

As far as we know, Kunos (devs of AC) wanna change that and block copyrighted content in their next game.

Why don't just ban to use whole track models from any source and require to make it all yourself?
The best car mods were made from scrath (mostly in blender)...

Kunos definitely wants to prevent as amny mods as feasible so they can sell all that content as DLC. Only the most obsucre tracks they'll never build will be allowed.

It's gonna be more funny when people realize they bought the exact same nordschleife in both ACC and AC2.
gu3st
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Quote from Silverracer :I'm curious to know how other simulators deal with this. Surely they're in the same situation as LFS if custom tracks are allowed?

They never host the content. Third parties assume the risk of hosting and are generally protected by the DMCA (in the Us) if they honour takedown requests from rights holders.

Of course, that doesn't prevent folks from setting up sites where the DMCA (or similar) laws hold no teeth, and then rights holders don't have much to stand on other than suing the host itself in its country.

Obviously Scawen went a different route for mods with self-hosting to try to prevent piracy of LFS as well.
gu3st
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Quote from Lekvar012 :Why not handle track copyright issues the same way as with the cars? Slightly change the route and call it "Le Mons" or "Blue Bull Ring". If fake names pass on slightly changed cars, I don't see why the tracks can't be created the same way.

I firmly believe that user generated content is the easiest (and also probably the best) way to extend the "life" of a game. I've spent many years drifting on random Minami layouts on AX, doing a jump wall tap on the actual track with LFS physics would bring tears of joy.

Also, another point that I didn't see mentioned in this topic: rally stages. LFS handles both tarmac and gravel unlike any other (non-rally) sim, there is a huge, currently untapped potential in creating such stages especially if you think of already existing car mods, and the support for slalom/staged starts.

With tracks I think less is the risk of track copyright for branding and more for IP theft from other games.
gu3st
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Quote from thegamer23 :Just wondering, would be neat to have an Hypercar mod in LFS in the future

There are already plenty of GT cars, a LMP2 car, but what's missing is a hypercar-esque car so you could really go all out on multi-class racing events!

Without a hybrid system implementation, the LMP2 car is more or less a light Hypercar. IRL the P2s would be faster than Hypercars if they weren't restricted as the LMDh/LMH cars are heavier than P2s
gu3st
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Quote from CAM22b :I think this would be one of the biggest things to be added to LFS. I think ppl from Assetto Corsa, and maybe even other games like CarX, and get LFS and see what it has to offer if they add custom tracks. Wink

So a lot of ripped content (in AC's case) from various older games or Forza/Gran Turismo.
gu3st
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Quote from V_Ro :(As far as I know, that function never appeared in Gran Turismo).It was talked about but it never came out.

The one thing that GT _did_ have was the ability in certain cars (and certain tracks) to drive a lap IRL, download the data from the logger and replay the replay inside GT6. The loggers collected specific data for GT so it could support things like drifting which a GPS logger couldn't do (becuase it wouldn't know the cars AOT)

Cool feature but not a super great use of dev resources.
gu3st
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Quote from MicroSpecV :I mean... I've been layoutting custom driver oriented tracks since 2016, and perhaps it is just my creativity and knowledge of track flow but I've rarely had to resort to stealing ideas from other irl existing tracks, unless I'm making... an irl track - but I still don't see the need to rip tracks directly off sims. that's just wrong.

Yeah I mean doing recreations of tracks like this (even in a native track editor) is fine (monaco is incredible work tbh). The thing that you see in other sims that allow mods is that they just rip the assets from other games. It's part of the reason why Scawen has the rules for car mods the way he does, as to try to avoid copyright infringement.

It's even funnier now becuase many tracks have gone through generations of being ripped from old games. Ripped from something like F1 Challenge to rFactor to AC to rF2. Just old inaccurate tracks dragged through time.
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gu3st
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Quote from versiu :Please tell me that u kidding because I will need to do facepalm otherwise...



It's 2024, not 1990. We have A LOT OF TOOLS



And beyond that people do scans arelady.

My local race track (Tor Białystok) was scanned, well photographed and made into Assetto Corsa. It's the case for many mod maps today...
Maybe it's a RIP from other game? Maybe Woliborz-Jodłownik stage in RBR is a RIP? xD

Just becuase a few good tracks are created from scratch doesn't mean the majority of tracks that end up in other games aren't copyright infringmenet from other sims.
gu3st
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Quote from versiu :and spend a lot more time on making map? nope...

Yeah people might have to do more work than just ripping from other sims.
gu3st
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Risk profile of an online casino probably justifies an enterprise level plan.

Although the core premise of CF being garbage isn't wrong either. They're the ones who stood strong being a service provider for a site dedicated to doxxing folks, primarily trans people.
gu3st
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Against mostly becuase I doubt any tracks will be build from scratch, it'll be attempts to rip from other games (which is what most track mods in other games are).
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