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AI with BF1 High speed wheel jitter
Hallen
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It seems when the AI cars get above about 160mph, they have problems. The steering wheel starts oscillating back and forth at a progressively faster rate. They end up doing at least 90° right and left until they slow down. If you look at the cars from above, it looks like they are all trying to warm their tires at 160mph.illepall

I am using the AS National track.
Hallen
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They know we are going to skin the car any way we want. They gave us the CMX viewer and the skin maps didn't they?
It is no disrespect to BMW Sauber to skin the car as a McLaren or Renault if you want. This is just the game and it would get boring if all the cars always had the same skins on them.
And as far as the ads around the tracks go... no problem. Ignore them or enjoy them, or change them, no big deal either way. The racing is what is important.
I am happy that we have this car and some support from actual racing teams. It is just plain too cool
Hallen
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Quote from jayhawk :I will probably get tomato(e)s thrown at me, but the BF1 is FAR easier to drive than the F08. Went ten laps around BLackwood and only spun out once. With the F08 I would spin out ten times in one lap!

If you like open wheel cars, then you HAVE to go back and drive the FV8 now. It is a dream too. Very much easier to drive, sticks much better, and feels a lot like the FOX did before. It is very fun now. You still have to be careful with the throttle, but it is not nearly like it was before.

The BF1 is simply insane. I couldn't keep up with the car. But, after 30 or so laps at AS GT, I was feeling pretty good with it. To drive this car well, will take a lot of work. But the sheer gut wrenching, reaction time testing thrill of it for now is good enough. What a blast.
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Quote from Hoellsen :Hm, no, not that I know off. Basic concept: The Intel Racing Tour uses a version of LFS for offline open-to-everyone events in which people can qualify for a grand finale. In that finale the qualified drivers race for a BMW M6 given as prize.

Thanks for the overview

Does it actually mention LFS? I read through it and used a translator, but did not see those kinds of words.
Hallen
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Quote from th84 :I will have to respectfully disagree!!

lol, and so would I. Speed made a mistake with his comment to DC. Forget about it. Just because he says the gloves are off, does not mean he is going to go out and punt DC. It means that the rose tinted glasses are off and he realizes that F1 is just as full of wankers and backstabbers as any other human endeavour. DC is somebody to look up to, in some ways. But F1 is about winning, not being the nice guy. DC knows that and so does Scott now.

And what is this crap about the telemetry data showing that he passed under yellow? The flags on the course control the condition in that area, not telemetry data. Plus, there are other conditions where you pass cars under a yellow. SS thought that DC was part of the accident, so he just went on by. He broke a rule, he got a penalty. Case closed.

That article was taken totally out of context, I wouldn't read much into it if I were you. Scott may say what he thinks, unlike a lot of other F1 drivers, but he is far from stupid.
Hallen
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So, is there an English version of that website? My appologies for not having a clue about the German language...
Hallen
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Quote from mooneye :Hi, thanks first alot for the new Patch really great one.......

Now my Question is which amount of Steering degree° is the BMW SAuber using, also in real?
Have a DFP can adjust it from 0- 900°.

In the moment i have 380 in Logitech profiler and in game options too , but it feels too slow.
So in which range of degrees do Formula one cars work?

Tanks for any good answers

Set your wheel to what you want, but set your wheel turn compensation to 1. Then watch what happens in the car. The real wheel will not hit a stop but the virtual wheel will. You can match up the degrees that way if you want to, or just leave the wheel where it is and live without having stops.
Hallen
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Quote from Linsen :There's practically no chance BMW could lose the right to use their logo exclusively. It has a) to do with the fact that BMW is soo well known (that's according to german "markenrecht" at least). And I don't know how it works in the US, but I'm b) pretty sure BMW has protected their trademark internationally for pretty much all possible products. So if LFS had to take down the logo it's because they're not licensed to use it on the website. And besides, it's quite normal to sell different licenses for different purposes. I don't see what should be so bad about that.

Guys, it has little to do with US law, European law is just as messy. It also has nothing to do with who likes who and if we perceive it to be good exposure for BMW or not. In fact, it has little to do with if BMW thinks it is good exposure. It also has little to do with if it is well known or not. It has everything to do with commercial rights to the use of the logo. LFS is commercial, it is sold. BMW has to protect their marque. If the proper authorizations are given, then we will see the logo used. However, it may be for only specific uses, like on the cars.
There is minutia here that most people are not aware of. For example, there will be specific rules about the use of the logo that would have to be followed as well, size, positioning, disclaimers, copyrights, etc, that have to be met to use the logo. I hope that it is just a simple glitch and the logo goes back up where it was, but it could be that the logo police at BMW thought that it needed some changes...
Hallen
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It would certainly be nice, but what we really need is the third spring setting that adjusts for downforce. This is a simple system that takes up the load for the downforce at speed and allows the ride height and regular springs to be set more easily.
Hallen
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Quote from Madman_CZ :all this legal obligation is a load of bollocks, i mean if there is such a thing "you can only use the logo in game but not on you website agreement" then that really is the biggest load of nonsense ever. I mean having the logo on their website is extra advertising for BMW. Maybe they are afraid people will copy and paste it LOL.. like the internet isnt full of BMW logos, i guess in the end they think they are doing the right thing and protecting their company but really a the same time its making them look quite silly...

or maybe victor forgot to add the bmw logo jpeg and we are going into this logo disapperance too much...


edit* i am suprised the bmw car (the bf1) doesnt have the bmw logo on a unskinnable area of the car so no matter what skin you paint it will always say its a bmw somewhere on the car if they are so fussy.. infact why let ppl skin it at all, though it would be difficult to stop them!

mad

Unfortunately, governments and lawyers have made intellectual property a confusing and dangerous mess. This means that if you do not actively protect your intellectual property and marques, you will lose the exclusive right to use them. If in fact BMW did ask the guys to remove the logo (which is in question because some people still see it), it would be because a specific use agreement had not been authorized.

BMW must have exclusive right to the use of that logo. Official use of the logo must be controlled by BMW or BMW will lose the right to use it exclusively. It is as simple as that.

But, this all could be a mute point as the logo might just not be cached properly for some of us.
Hallen
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Quote from Plastik8 :LOL I thought that as well.....

I wonder what the meaning of the removal of the BMW badge is??

Having the rights to use the BMW Sauber F1 car design and having the rights to use the BMW logo are two totally different things. The team has the right to use the logo of course, but they don't have the right to allow others to use the logo without permission from BMW corporate. That is my guess as to why they removed the logo.
Hallen
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I noticed while skinning the car that I can't change the color for the camera on top of the car. I would like to be able to do that... or actually, each team member to do that so you can easily identify who is in what car.
Did anybody see anything different? Can the camera be "skinned".
Hallen
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But still, we are down to 1 day. I just wish they would give us a bit more than just changing the day countdown. I don't consider changing the countdown as an update. But ah, well. One day to go.
Hallen
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Quote from geezer45 :I know one can modify the graphic file for suits and gloves, but they still appear low-res and can't be view online.

Ah yes, that is true. Forgot about that little part
Hallen
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Quote from bobvanvliet :Uhm, I think they do actually...

They do not have electronically controlled launch control. They do have traction control. You hear a bunch of sputtering on the starts because the traction control kicks in, but they are not allowed to use the computers to control the launch. Renault does seem to have something going for it, but it is not the same as what used to be used.
Hallen
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You can make your own suite "skins" and glove "skins" if you want, so go for it
Hallen
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Quote from thisnameistaken :
Shame about the UFR especially, such a fun car but nobody drives it because it's so ugly.

It does not matter to me what the car looks like... too much. The problem is that all the races that I have been in include both the UFR and the XFR. The XFR is much faster than the UFR, so there you go. I like the UFR better, but I like to stay competitive too.
Hallen
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I had not heard they were being changed any. The models in the CMX viewer look the same to me, but I have not tried to drop any skins on them yet.
Hallen
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Quote from sil3ntwar :ah yes because rolling starts and formula one go togetherillepall

No, because he is thinking standing starts are going to be very, very difficult if the BF1 does not have traction control or launch control. (And I know that the current F1 formula does not allow launch control... unless you are Renault )
Hallen
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Quote from overdoped :Oh my goodness, it's really hard to hear that from a german landsman...
I'm on german autobahn for some 100k km's too and I am driving a BMW... may I ask what car you're driving? Let me guess: an 1.6 or 1.4 Diesel? Toyota or Opel? The question aims towards my experience on german highways

lol, it is funny to hear that from a German. You hear it all the time here in the US. Mostly because it is true. Most people who buy BMW's here have no idea what they have sitting under their rich butts. They buy them because of the status, not because the cars are awesome.

I buy old ones, its all I can afford; but it is much better than buying a new Hyundai or KIA.
Hallen
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Quote from overdoped :Hi racing folks,

I really adore the lovely machines BMW builds, they are the last sporty RWD saloons here in germany combined with nice inline 6's and so on.
But the ///M Models are more then that, they are pure racing spirit and a dream for nearly every bavarian (like I am).

All I wanted in LFS is the new BMW E60 M5 (V10 Engine, 507bhp)... or a car called 'Baiern Motorsport 5' if you won't get a license

BMW would be illepall IMHO if they didn't allow you to add this car, the M3 was even added to NFSU II... dunno what customers BMW wanted to attract with this move...

cya all,

Overdoped

And some of us here in the US also feel that way. I would love to see the new Z4 M Coupe in the game. An M3 or just a simple 325i saloon (sedan to US guys) would be great too. That is what I use Mechanik to do. I built my 1999 323i to drive around in. Pretty cool.
Hallen
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Quote from Scawen :Yeeeah...!

The man from Antarctica wins the "guess the feature" competition! :up:

Cool! That works for me. Thanks for all your hard work

They have the internet in Antarctica??? Wow, talk about cool... or is it just cold?
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Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :I thought this was in LFS already :

Just that the car behind had exaggerated reduction in drag?

It seems on OVAL servers ATM that the F08s together go faster than I can alone, but they just keep slingshoting past eachother due to the inaccurate effects on the rear car...

Anyone have concrete proof either way?

I don't have any proof one way or another. The fast lap time with the drafting cars are mostly attaind using the slingshots around the track. I doubt anybody has been patient enough to just draft behind another car to test it.
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Quote from [RCG]Boosted :geez, why "another" F1 car.... the FO8 is quite the same..
looking forward for some "new" cars /classes.

Quite the same??? I don't think so.
That is like comparing the UF1 to the XFR.

Just because they are both open wheel cars, does not put them in the same class. F1 will be a class unto itself.
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Quote from Krutch :The effect is explained in a very intersting article, not only on slipstreaming (drafting) in NASCAR but also on social science and complexity. According to this article, it doesn't help the front car in open wheelers.

http://www.firstmonday.org/issues/issue5_2/ronfeldt/

Sorry, but that guy is a social scientist and does not know what he is talking about when it comes to drafting.
IRL (Open wheel cars running mostly on ovals) use drafting constantly and if two cars draft and one car does not, the single car gets left in the dust. They obviously do not use bump drafting, and one car is not constantly passing the other, yet they pull away still.
It goes back to my explanation above.
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