Note to myself: Never post an ironic comment on a forum without this to go along:

Quote from hyntty :

Williams is a real racing team - They are involved because of their love and passion for engineering and racing. Other teams (maybe not Rickshaw Force) are there because of the market value of F1 - They all sell something, like cars or energy drinks, and F1 is the right place to advertise.

Yeah, but there was no Williams-F1-car in LFS last time I checked.



Is the officially presented R28 any different to the one they already tested? I can't tell, those F1 cars look all the same to me.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

BMW have been quite modest and pleasant since taking over Sauber and that's nice to see, but I hope Williams thoroughly trounce them this season.

How dare you!? What has Williams ever done for us?

They do look very promising this season, though. Finishing top five in the testing sessions while supposedly not even trying to set fast laps. BMW on the other hand seems to struggle a little. And I'm not so sure they'll sort out their set-up problems till Melbourne. Or maybe they will, but the other teams will probably make progress as well.

I used to have a Siemens S45 and the most memorable thing about it was, that it had an April-fools-bug. On April 1st 2002 it turned itself off with a warning beep as soon as you tried to access the calendar. I suspect some software programmer that was fired implemented that shortly before he had to leave. Pretty nice idea, I'd say.

We've been down that road many a time before, but, oh well.

I'll throw Sachsenring in again: Video

Mainly out of selfish reasons (I'm hoping to drive it some time this year), but also because it's a very cool track.


But of course, V.I.R. is nice, Bathurst is nice and many other tracks mentioned before. None of them will make it into LFS, though, unless very, very accurate track data and a license are handed to the devs on a plate.

Now, where did I put my laser scanning gear, again?

edit: PIR isn't really all that exciting, tbh.

Last edited by Linsen, Wed 30 Jan 2008, 22:13.

Quote from Mattesa :

(...) I wish I could fine more analysis on about his driving style. Interesting points:
- Jabbing the throttle, instead of being smooth
- Very quick and abrupt steering input
- And... this is my favourite... "left foot braking" with only one foot!

Picture me browsing the Trackpedia forums just now, seeing a post almost identical to this one which I'd read earlier today, but forgotten. Took me a couple of seconds to realize that it must be from the same person. Luckily you're using the same username. Still, a very déja-vu-like experience.

In case anyone's (still) interested, here are some lift/downforce figures quoted from "Sport Auto":

997 Turbo:
f -8kg, r +12kg

997 GT2:
f +9kg, r +29kg

Gallardo Superleggera:
f -14kg, r -9kg

599GTB:
f -41kg, r -24kg

Audi R8:
f -7kg, r +1kg

Z06:
f -49kg, r -22kg

Audi S5:
f -52kg, r -34kg

BMW M3:
f -10kg, r -23kg

f=front axle
r=rear axle
a "-" in front of the number indicates lift
a "+" indicates downforce
all @ 200km/h

Last edited by Linsen, Sun 27 Jan 2008, 18:46.

Quote from SamH :

(...) When you get to Kimi's level, then you can get lazy. A bit, anyway.

Like enjoying a night out in town and having a couple of Vodkas here and there?

On a completely on topic note: I still don't understand what role the hotlap competition exactly plays. Will it be the deciding factor in who can proceed to the next step within the selection process (provided all the other requirements like doing 50 pressups in 1 minute, being from the UK and under the age of 19 are met)? Wouldn't this more or less limit the selection to long-time LFSers?

Edit: And what's SCEE's role in the whole scheme of things?

Last edited by Linsen, Sat 26 Jan 2008, 17:22.

Quote from Horseman :

For the first time in many years a company will ask a decent price for an activity that has been the poor branch of gaming, and what’s the reaction of some?
“Oh, 9 euros per month for something that takes 10, 20 or more hours of my life every month is incredibly expensive! Rip-off!”

I think if you read more closely, you'll find that most people are complaining about how the whole pricing scheme all comes together. Some could live with paying for extra content, but don't like the subscription as an addition, others are fine with a subscription, but feel paying for content on top of that is unreasonable. And the feeling of never owning the software but rather renting it, is off-putting as well to many, including me.

Personally, I think the monthly subscription price of 9 Euros as such is not bad at all, really. And depending on how many iracing dollars you will actually earn through racing, I can see this paying for extra content might not be a problem at all when put into practice.

What I despise is the trial fee of 20$. Even though, it's not that high overall. It's a question of principle. If you're really convinced about the quality of your product, you don't need that, imho. So, it's not a good sign. And I don't beleive that a free demo is in the plans as of now. After all, what else is a trial if not a demo?

Since there's some action in here again: Would anybody happen to know how much of a difference in lap time the level of the tech departement would make?

Just wondering 'cause I'm too slow.

Quote from tristancliffe :

I believe you can have both drivers pit on the same lap without penalty, but please correct me if I'm wrong.

definitely possible without penalty.

thx for the sheet, i'll check it out as soon as possible.

Quote from JeffR :

(...) My guess is that it may depend on the car.

Yeah, we had established this quite some time ago in the testpatch threads, I think (and I'd say it's the same in rL, tbh. Some cars have strong, others have weaker clutches). Some people reported problems with excessive clutch overheating especially in rallyx, which lead Scawen to give some cars stronger clutches.

On a different note: I really don't understand how you could start this thread, not having tested the clutch heating at all. Yet, you quite strongly implied in your second post, it was not realistic.

Want to read more by lerts? Check out his other classic works, like:

"i invented a way to incr ... of sense amazingly"

"two proofs of telepathy"

"i found out the maya mea ... es better than nasa"

"perspective a wake up call from the matrix"

"bosnian pryramids and atlantis"

"karma and time travel"

"can the subcouncious see the future"

"inertial thrusters my 7 year research"

"is this reality a fake?"

or, of course, his ground-braking analysis, that left the world in astonishment: "have you been taught zen ... hen youve been lied"

Quote from Ian.H :

My guess would be that it's the the more emphasised letter in the word.. but no idea for definite, it was devised long before I ever went to school.. or was even a twinkle in me ol' man's eye



Regards,

Ian

Correct. According to wikipedia it's the strong 'R' phoneme. Either that or the fact that Sir William Curtis once presented a toast to the three R's "reading, riting and rithmetic", thus betraying his own illiteracy.

But it seems that's slightly OT, I guess.

or: reduce, replace, refine

or: reduce, reuse, recycle

other than that, the third 'r' would be 'rithmetic, I believe.

edit: beaten to it.

Sure, you're never 100% save, but the funny thing is, that people who are afraid of buying stuff over the internet will usually quite happily hand their credit card over to some dodgy salesclerk and won't even object if he leaves the room with it, because the booking terminal is supposedly in the other room.

I know this is a totally crazy idea and all, but: What if all threads like this one were simply ignored? Wouldn't that be nice?

Quote from DragonCommando :

Edit2: you make it sound like the car is in nutral for a long time, (...)

It sounded like that was what you meant in one of your earlier posts. What I am saying is, that you should never leave the car in neutral or apply the clutch for any longer than the actual shifting takes. The reason being that you essentially have three means of controlling the car and it's weight shifts: Throttle, brake and steering. If the car is in neutral, you're losing one of them, the throttle. Therefore it's not recommended when racing.

And yes, putting the car in neutral might work fairly alrightish, but only up to a certain level. When you're really on the limit, it's neither the fastest nor the safest.

Quote from SparkyDave :

the main reason to H&T irl is so as not to destroy your gearbox whilst downshifting! the upsetting of balance, or not, if done perfectly whilst braking, is secondary IMO that said "trail-braking setups rely on this forward weight shift, to load up the outside front tyre

I don't agree. To prevent upsetting the balance of the car is the main reason by far for heel&toe. At least from all I've heard and read about it. I'm sure most race drivers would agree. Of course you'd put a lot of stress on the gear box if you downshift very early very fast, but that's not what you should do anyways.

Quote from ajp71 :

Lots of older cars didn't have brakes strong enough to lock up. Engine braking is a benefit from heel and toeing not the sole (or main) reason for doing it necessarily, (...)

As far as engine braking is concerned, I haven't made my mind upt, yet, whether it has it's place in racing, but generally I agree that brakes are for slowing down the car in a racing environment, not the engine. If your brakes are not capable of locking up the wheels, they are certainly not strong enough. I doubt that it has ever been any different, even in the early days of racing.

And you certainly don't heel&toe to make use of engine braking. Quite the opposite, really.

Still: Who says you should leave the car in neutral for an extensive amount of time? That's the point I'm on about.

Quote from DragonCommando :

Edit2: This is a book writen by a pro race car driver:

http://books.google.com/books? ... 888lMiv8niDYeK_o#PPA20,M1

On page 20 he explaines exacly what I was saying. He also explainse Heel-toe downshifting for anyone who wants to know, it's on page 21.

As far as I can see, nowhere does he say you should leave the car in neutral for longer than the actual shifting process. He says brake first, then downshift and be smooth. He also says, quote: "There isn't a successful race driver in the world who doesn't heel and toe on every downshift. (...) In fact that's the only way to drive all the time."

I would have been really surprised, if a pro race driver would think otherwise and advise to put the car in neutral. Haven't heard or read a single instructor doing that. It's true that it doesn't have to do with engine braking, though. But it's the smoothest, most predictable and fastest way to downshift.

So, I think you should read that book more closely and not read anything into it that's not there.

If you can afford it, buy a G25 and skip the DFP. I bought a DFP not too long ago, because I didn't feel like putting out that much money, and I'm already sorry I've made that decision. If I had to choose again, I'd save up a tad longer and get the G25 -- for it's faster ffb, the h-shifter and the clutch pedal. I'm sure it's worth it.

@Bob: I don't think I can buy evo on an issue by issue basis, as I reckon, they don't ship single issues to the mainland. So it's either full subscription or nothing. Also, I enjoy sundays on the sofa with a real Magazine in my hands to leaf through, rather than just reading something on the screen.

@ajp: Actually, the way you describe it, it seems Autocar is actually not what I'm looking for. There are pretty decent german magazines that are more service-oriented and feature a wide range of cars, but I'm looking more for something that focuses on high performance cars with the occasional hot hatch thrown in. Glossy and pretty pictures sounds about right for me.

And as for the technical stuff: On this forum I usually already get the impression that I can't really follow too technical explanations. Partly because of the language barrier and partly because of a lack of technical insight in general, so I think I might as well skip the technical articles anyways.

I think I'm going with evo.

Regards,

Linsen

@danowat: Only serious proposals, please.

Seems like evo is it, so far.

Hi there,

I'm thinking about subscribing to a car magazine that should focus mainly on sportscars and covers the full range from sporty hothatches to supercars. The market in germany is rather dull in that segment, with a magazine called "Sport Auto" being the main option. The choice of topics is okayish (focuses too much on tuner cars rather than stock performance cars, imho, but it's bearable), but the writing is a real problem. It's soo god-awful, you wouldn't believe it. And as language is my job and I am loving it too much, I just can't tolerate seeing it abused for pages on end.

So, I figure, maybe a car magazine from the UK would make me much happier? But which one? I'm thinking about "evo magazine" or "TopGear", but having not read either one, I can't really decide which to choose. One thing that puts me off from "TopGear" is that at £87 it would cost me almost twice as much as "evo", which is only £48.20 (god knows how Top Gear calculates for overseas/european subscribers).

So, I'd really appreciate to hear opinions of people who know them both, or can point me to other magazines I might not have heard of.

Regards,

Linsen

Quote from DragonCommando :

However, for new drivers, and even alot of experianced drivers do this. It's much easier to just keep the car in nutral and only gear in when you need the power back on.

Since when is keeping the car in neutral recommended behaviour on a race track? That's news to me. I thought that was pretty much a no-no, since you're giving up control of the car...