Quote from Shotglass :

of course the 911s design with the rear converging into a pointy edge is the worst in terms of lift generated so what that car needs first and foremost isnt an undertray but a proper design

Yeah, make it look like something else. Who cares, it's only the most beautiful sportscar around. And as Porsche has shown with the Cayenne (especially after the facelift), they're fully capable of designing cars that are just as indistinctive as a Kia/Hyundai/Daewoo.

Apart from the fact that a Corrado is a little too old for my taste, it also sort of has a "reputation" here in Germany. Not that I would have anything against displaying an image that is somehow converse to my "real me", but if I wanted to do that, I'd rather go the opposite direction and drive an Opel Rekord or so.

What do you guys think about the second generation Seat Ibiza Cupra, btw (the facelifted one)? It's relatively light-weight, has 156 hp and it supposedly is a quick, nimble car. I also like it much better than the Leon from that time (it's smaller too).

Edit: All I can seem to find on mobile.de and at autoscout24.de is the Saxo VTS which has only 118 hp and even that is rather rare.

Last edited by Linsen, Fri 23 Feb 2007, 14:45.

Thx a lot for all your suggestions, guys, this is really helpful. Seems I'm still tending towards the Clio, though. I like the fact that it's small, lightweight and from all I read a rather exciting drive. Some of the other suggestions (like Golf or Focus) would probably be a little more sensible, and it would probably also be relatively easy to get a car that's not too run-down. It would also be less exciting, though. Similar things could be said for Opel/Vauxhall, I guess, but I just don't see myself driving an Opel.

Well, I guess I will have to read some more and arrange some test-drives in the next months (once spring is here) to find out what some of the suggested cars really feel like and how they suit me.

Anyway, I'm still open for suggestions and thx again for your help .

Regards,

Linsen

Edit: Damned, I just read the review in evo magazine and now I WANT the Clio 182! Unfortunately, I won't get it for 10.000 € .

Last edited by Linsen, Fri 23 Feb 2007, 10:47.

@JamesK: Well, it has to be somewhat newish because of that environemt badge that will be coming in 2008. Most older cars will have a hard time meeting the cirteria, and I live pretty much in the middle of Berlin where I will have to have that badge or I won't be allowed to drive. Also, it needs to be reliable, as it will be the only car I'll have.

@Kev: I like the R5, too, but it's too old and not reliable, afaik .

@JTbo: There's a misunderstanding, probably du to me using the term, "I'm looking at one". I never had a Clio, I'm just taking buying one into consideration.

Quote from Michael Denham :

Evo magazine highly rates the Renault Clio, especially the previous model 172 cup or 182 trophy. I'm sure either one of those would be a good bet. I am not sure about price or availability of those for you, but worth a look if they're available and within your price range.

That's what I'm looking at atm. Here it's called Clio Renault Sport and it starts at around 7.000 €. The trophy is out of reach, though, as there were only 550 produced (500 went to the UK and 50 to Switzerland afaik). It looks tempting, but I'm a little afraid that many of them have taken quite a beating by young immature drivers -- but that's a problem with most hothatches, I suppose.

@ajp: I don't really like the Focus much for it's looks, tbh, but it's something to think about.

@JTbo: I'm not so sure about the Polo, actually, I think it's mainly wearing the badge as an image factor but doesn't really drive like the three letters suggest.

Hi there!

I'll probably have to get a new car at the end of the year, because my current one will have problems getting the so-called "Umweltplakette" (environment badge?) without upgrading. Also there are several other things that would have to be taken care of if I wanted to drive it over another (and maybe this time colder) winter. So, I'm already thinking about what car I should get. This time I'd like to get something a little more performant than what I had previously. Also it has to be a good daily driver and it shouldn't cost more than 10.000 € and it should be fairly easy to get in Germany. Therefore I'm thinking about a hothatch that shouldn't be older than maybe 7 years.

Since I reckon that there are quite a few car enthusiasts around , I thought I'd ask for some ideas to give me inspiration what to look for. So what do you guys think, which one is the "hottest" hothatch that fits my criteria (I'm currently thinking about a Renault Clio RS, btw).

Regards,

Linsen

Quote from d6nn :

i bought a dfp just days ago, but i dont get it. is there sumthing wrong with my wheel or what... the problem is that every1 uses alot higher/different ffb settings than me, and if i use them in my profiler/game i cant turn the wheel is so hard to turn coz of the ffb and i set my settings alot lower (usually 5% ffb) . i did what the tutorial said but its just not possible to drive.

Problem is, when you set ffb strength in the profiler to a value below 101% you're loosing a lot of feel around the center (and static effects are dumbed down). This is a driver inherent problem (which I hope will be adressed in a later release) and can only be overcome somewaht by using at least 101% in the profiler. I'm using 103% in the profiler and 30% ingame for XFG f.e. With heavier cars I sometimes go as low as 20% ingame. It really shouldn't be too hard to turn with those settings.

Ok, thx guys. I might try your utility, Peptis -- Or I'll simply have to drive the fast laps myself .

Go to your Online Racer Stats and click Laps Chart in the upper left corner .

Hard to say which tracks are hard and which are easier. I guess it depends a lot on personal preference and on the car used. I'm finding Fe green reverse pretty hard in either the RB4 or the XRT for example (high curbs which unsettle the car and make spinning out a constant threat), in the XFG however, I'm finding it relatively easy and very enjoyable to drive. SO town reverse on the other hand, seemed very hard to me at first and should be hard, considering that there are many very different turns with the constant risk of hitting the armco. But again, I'm finding it relatively easy to drive somewhat compatible times (relatively speaking) in the XFG there. I wouldn't know how the track feels in the XRT, though. Might be very tough to get around in one piece.

So, the hardest track for me seems to be WE if driven in any car from the TBO-class upwards. I don't know what it is, but I'm finding it very tough to hit the ideal line there and many of the corners I have to take at at varying throttle pressure, which makes it hard because of the obvious lack of controller precision and lack of feel in the right foot.

Here's some further advice: Next time you have a problem, try to provide some more information when posting about it seeking for help. Posting something along the lines of "my wheel is not working, what do I do?" is not really sufficient information.

Yep, .dll is there and I tried both, running the grun.exe and enabling ghostcar via /insim 28888. Both works for the car but not for the path .

Hi there,

I just downloaded Kegety's Ghost car mod and I'm having the problem that the ghost car is there but the path of the ghostcar is not drawn. I tried shift+f4ing, as I read in another thread that it's supposed to work, but nothing. The command /ghost drawpath doesn't change anything either (it gives the appropriate messages of path off/on, though). Anybody know what could be the problem?

Thx,

Linsen

btw: My ghost is one converted from a hotlap via the raf to ghost converter. Don't know if that makes a difference, but the same thing worked fine on my old pc and an older LFs patch.

Quote from MauroDiaz :

Fully agree!.... it's just that some people should understand that this community grows continuosly... which is desireable (isn't it?)... Every now and then new/unfrequent members will bring old topics... and discuss repetitive things.... That is when people that have been around for a while should not make them shy... If threads are not great or new.... ignore it!... if they talk plain crap, then burn them...

I generally agree with that. However, I do think that redundancy has reached an all time high recently. I usually didn't get annoyed by the occasional repetitive posting, but it has come to a point where I really have to force myself to try and see it as a good sign of a growing community -- it's hard sometimes, though.

Anyway, that's OT, of course and doesn't even fully apply to this thread, as we haven't had a rFactor vs. LFS discussion for quite some time I believe .

Quote from Meanie :

anyone?

i don't know how this improvement forum works...
so this idea gets on a list or something?

The way it works is quite simple, actually: Devs read the suggestions, think about it and add the requested feature if they feel it's a good idea. When they will add it is a different matter, though.

Quote from Hankstar :

I think you did read the other thread and you're taking the piss

Oh damn, I think you're right. I must have overread the "LAWN MOWERZ" . They should have made me suspicious .

Quote from tristancliffe :

+1 when car body damage affects performance. Until then the only 'penalty' you have for hitting/being hit is the pitstop. With this it goes some way to encourage you to avoid hitting people or being hit (and yes, you can avoid being hit).

+1 to this. So that's -1 for now.

Personnally I think that we already have plenty of threads with similar topics in the "improvement suggestions"-section already .

Don't know about the Momo, but the FF GP worked on a PS2.

But get a DFP anyway (it also has more buttons ).

Well, my DFP doesn't feel "notchy". I'd have to check if it is harder to catch a slide with my DFP set to 200° than with my old formula force GP. I doubt it, though.

afaik, the automatic skin-downloading function is a feature unique to S1 or S2 full, but not in demo-mode. So with a full license you can upload your skins to LFS-world and they are downloaded by other people on the same server automatically.

But since you might want to do some gripping later (who knows), you could also go with the dfp and set it to 270° or whatever you'd prefer for drifting (or are there any other disadvantages of the dfp compared to the momo, Jakg?)

Cool, Nick Heidfeld looks almost as if he was 16 now that he's got a beard.

Not that this has not been suggested many times, but it would be great for league races. First we need varying track conditions due to temperature, rubber build up and stuff like that, though.

Do you gusy have LFS Companion installed?

I don't know anything about this stuff, but I got the unexpected package size message when I had LFS-Companion running (but didn't launch LFS through LFS-C). Closed LFS-C and LFS, started LFS again and everything worked fine.