It's a good game, but Germany are bossing it. Can't believe this is the same team that played in the first two games. Maybe Loew should sit in the stand for the rest of the competition..

Quote from thisnameistaken :

Learning to play is for chumps.

Must agree with our erstwhile friend here, even though anything with more than 4 strings confuses the poor lad...(not withstanding the fact that it would appear he's suggesting you buy a 1920's telephone exchange http://www.bugbrand.co.uk/pages/modular.htm to make you sound better )

I'd say slap on a double drop D tuning and you'll be playing just about anything from John Lee Hookers back catalogue within minutes.

Last edited by Mazz4200, Thu 19 Jun 2008, 00:56.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

I think Vignola's more likely to innovate than the Rosenbergs. Everything I've heard them do is very derivative of Django's music, and I don't see them changing any time soon. Andreas Oberg does a decent Django set too, but as good as he is it's nothing new.

Fair comment. The Rosenberg trio are very set in their ways, but they're damn good at what they do, and it pays the bills so, yunno.
Andreas Oberg whilst playing to a very very high technical level, i find him a bit too formulaic, jazz by numbers sort of thing. His playing lacks a bit of soul and character to my ear.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

There was never a jazzer as mental as Pastorius. Mingus was a pretty scary dude but I'd rather be stuck in a lift with him than Jaco!

I gotta admit i'd never heard the names, so it was good old wiki to the rescue, and yeah you got me on that one...then again they're both bassist, and bassists are a real funny bunch of people, all completely bonkers yunno...tis true

Quote from thisnameistaken :

Everybody was saying that back when I was starting out in bands, then Tom Morello showed up and we all had to concede that maybe everything hadn't been done already.

Yeah, Rage Against the Machine did some decent stuff (even though it's not really my thang) But is Morello a great guitarist or a great sound engineer ?

Quote from thisnameistaken :

you just need to have your own voice. And that's why I think 99.9% of metal guitarists aren't worth paying attention to, regardless of how fast they go.

Well that's it innit. Is the guitar riff there to make the guy look good and make lots of noise, or is it there to add an extra voice to the song and be a part of the telling of the story. I was listening to Comfortably Numb by the Floyd the other day, and it struck me how both the lyrics and Gilmours solo complemented each other perfectly in mood, tone and atmosphere, and how the riff was simply an extension of the message. Unadulterated melancholy, but classic prog rock greatness nonetheless.

Quote from RocksGt :

So if things go fine I'll have about 30 Millions next week to go for a better driver a think

How, how, how in all thats holy have you managed to do that ?. You're top of the league and you've still managed to save 30million ? How ?

Have you figured out a way to cheat in this game Mr Rocks

I'm skint right now, and a big points total and a correct bonus question this weekend will only just take me past the 10million mark. And to upgrade my team to anything half decent will cost me at least another 20mill. I think i may have peaked in this game already....look out mid-table i think i may be heading in your direction very soon..

Quote from thisnameistaken :

I've seen better performances from Frank Vignola. I think both of them are too young to really compare to the greats yet - let's wait and see what they can do outside the realms of "museum jazz" first.

What made players like Django and Joe Pass (and Charlie Christian, and Les Paul, and...) legends is the fact that they took the instrument and did something new with it, moved it forward, had their own immediately recognisable style. These young guys haven't had time to develop enough yet.

Harsh, but i understand what you're saying. And yeah, i've seen them both do a lot better too, (it was just the first clip on youtube that came up on the search)

I think it's fare to say both Vignola and Rosenberg definitely have their own style (albeit heavily influenced by the past masters, but who's isn't ?) As far as Jimmy is concerned, i'd say his elder brother Stochelo is more technically accomplished. But in my opinion doesn't have the cutting edge to his playing that Jimmy does. I guess you could say Jimmy is the first punk jazzman, if you know anything about his life you'll understand that he's been a bit of a naughty boy in his time (more akin to the Sid Vicious form of punk rather than the Nigel Kennedy variety).

I think the greatest difficulty for any 'young' musician is to be both unique and original. And since virtually everything that can be done on a guitar has been done already many many times before (not forgetting the limitations of an acoustic guitar too) Surely the only way to be totally original is to come up with some utterly pretentious art house style crap that only Albeig would listen too Strumming with your nasal hair while holding chords with your earlobes perhaps ?

[quick edit] Anyway, on topic. I don't think there's any rock/pop or even classical guitarist can hold a light to the Jazz greats, maybe Jan Ackerman ?, but he was a jazzman all along anyway so...

Last edited by Mazz4200, Tue 17 Jun 2008, 22:17.

@ Kev and Wark, if it's jazz guitarists you're on about then there's no competition tbh. These two http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLFf1eekg14 are widely regarded as the best on the planet at the moment (if not of all time). Check out their solo stuff. Looky here too this is just a bit special

Quote from tristancliffe :

How do you know about the almanac?

Coz your spelling goes a bit iffy when you're drunk...

Yes folks, it's "Who can tell the crappiest joke day" today. Next..

Argh damnit, i knew this just from the picture, didn't need the clues. But i really really can't be arsed to go find a clip of my own...


It's Tommy btw

Quote from thisnameistaken :

Screw it, I'm going to give this a go. Anybody got an invite for an ex-leper?

How pathetic. I thought you had more strength of character than that bud.


Do they accept Visa ?

Quote from Becky Rose :

Is there one with a multiplayer demo? Mebbe we can get an LFS war going - those who think LFS should support modded against those who want it pure !

I'd be up for a "LFS does Armed Assault Warfare"

I love the game, and the recent patch is great. But i've never played it online yet, on account of the fact i seriously suck at the game. But i don't mind playing folk who know how crap i am at computer games

Quote from wheel4hummer :

Steel Fury does not work in WINE/Linux. Menus are fine, but no graphics.

Well the system requirements are Win Xp and DirectX 9, so i guess it won't work with Linux without a lot of tweaking.

I'd be interested to hear what people think of the demo. Some of the comments on the youtube clips make it sound pretty good.

Quote from Primoz :

The one that looks like a painting (the coloured rectangles).

Piet Mondrian http://images.google.co.uk/ima ... amp;resnum=1&ct=title

Have to say this Slovenian feed is quite good actually. Good clear pictures, plenty of in-car footage, and no ads. I'm listening to Le Mans radio now too, to try to get some sort of idea of whats going on, but it's not that good to be honest, to many ads and loads of inane waffle.

This isn't really my kind of thing, but after a quick google i've found this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... Qm5_w&feature=related

http://steelfury.info/

Doesn't look to bad tbh. Kinda reminds me of Silent Hunter 4, only on land...

Ahhh so it is a Slovenian feed.

Do you fancy doing any live translating, i ain't got a clue what's going on

Quote from deggis :

Also some Slovenian (?) stream: http://24ur.com/sport/ostalo/prenos-24-ur-le-mans.html

Many many thanks Deggis, this is the only link that works for me properly so far, and no ads, yet...

The picture quality's not to bad either.....no idea what they're talking about though. For all i know it could be a video of last years race, but, yunno

Quote from tristancliffe :

It's not quite as much fun as last year, because I'm trying to win a championship, so I've always got one eye on the scores and the other on reliability rather than outright speed, but I'm hoping it'll be worthwhile!

Interesting you should say that. I know of a lot of top class sportsmen/women who say the happiest times they had were at the grass roots level. But the ability to handle the pressure is the difference between the champions and the also-rans.

400 odd years ago when i wer' a lad, i was a bit of an aspiring sporting hero ! I'd regularly complete against the likes of Colin Jackson and Tony Jarrett in athletics and the Bell brothers on the ski slopes. And i can tell you they were far from being the quickest guys out there. But, they were the ones that could handle the pressure. They were the ones that had that depth of commitment, hunger and drive to succeed and improve, and in some cases sheer bloody mindedness. The rest of us simply didn't know about or understand it. We were just as talented, in some cases even more so. But, we just didn't have that little hidden spark of greatness within us.

Whilst it's great to have ambitions and set yourself goals, it's important to make them attainable, like stepping stones i.e i wanna overtake that guy in front, i wanna beat that bloke with a quick reputation, i wanna come first in class, win a race outright, win the championship ! and so on.

Poor old/young Lep got some stick a while back for having ambitions about getting into F1, and perhaps rightly so, he did seem to have his heads in the clouds at the time. But it sounds like you've got your feet on the ground and are being realistic in your approach to this. And good on yer, you never know where this might eventually lead you

Quote from Becky Rose :

my first car was a Fiat 126! If you remember It you're probably thinking of the larger 127! It had an automatic sun roof that is to say, it popped open by itself over 50mph, the throttle would sometimes stick open and the brakes where as effective as an ant pushing wet mud at the wheel rims.

Still, got off with my first girl in it

Lol, Fiat 126....i had one of em. Bought it of my gf's Dad for 50 quid when my Vauxhall Viva finally bit the dust.

What a ballistically insane little car that was. Rev the nuts out of the engine till the piston heads were dancing on top of the bonnet, then change gear. Drive everywhere at at least 15,000 revs, shouting at the top of your voice when talking to your passenger, (even though their shoulder would be in the middle of your chest). Floor mounted throttle pedal which kept getting stuck under my foot, so gear changes where a hit of miss affair. Mine had a max speed of about 45 and lasted for two whole months, bright red it was !....wow, never again.

Quote from tristancliffe :

People keep telling me in the paddock I have a tail-happy driving style. But I really would prefer to be smooth and dull

I'll resist the urge to crack an obvious joke there...

I guess with club racing you have to strike a balance between having maximum fun, being a quick as money/machinery allow, and not killing yourself in the process.

Have you thought about what this might lead to in the future ? Are you hoping someone even richer than you notices you've got a bit of talent and chucks a huge wedge of cash in your direction. Real sponsorship, fresh tyres for every race, a new car perhaps ? Or maybe a seat in a team car ? Where do you wanna be in ten years time, young man

Quote from tristancliffe :

Tell me more - in what way are they lacking? I'm not denying that ARE lacking (I'm only an amateur club racer after all), so any tips gratefully received (as long as they are sensible).

Perhaps it's a thinly veiled attempt to rename you "Trist (The Drift) Cliffe-t" or "Tristan (is a'driftin) Cliffe-t'n"

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

Ballack's looked horrible so far this tourney.

You Yanks and your crazy ways of spelling things...

Shouldn't that be "Bollocks looked horrible so far this tourney"

Hmmm things to do in Calais ?

If there's a big boat in the harbour, get on it. Don't matter where it's headed, anywhere's better than that dump...

Having said that, if you fancy a bit of a long-ish drive, head off to Bayeux, the tapestry is well worth a look (you'll be surprised how small it is, and how long it is too)
Or, if you fancy an even longer drive, go visit Mont Saint Michel It's quite a magical place, especially at night.
The D-Day landing sites are well worth a visit, as are all the War cemeteries (sounds morbid, but trust me, it'll move you like nothing else can, especially when you see how many headstones there are, and how young the soldiers were). But again, it's quite a trek from Calais.

Just depends how much time you've got, and how many roads the French farmers have blocked or completely covered in cow shit, in protest of some utterly mundane and futile EU directive.


[edit] ahhhh, just read your post in full Mr Ian. Seems like you're only there for the day. Scrub everything i've said then. That'll teach me for this skim reading nonsense i find myself doing on this interweb gubbins thing..

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Quote from th84 :

Some say that he smells of elderberries, and some just say he smells...now what the hell is a stig?

So...you saying "Zeuginminiodemdumthingybob"....is....THE Stig ?

Makes sense tbh, German, listens to elevator music, has no sense of humour, confused by clouds, and is afraid of ducks...

Quote from Scawen :

Does anyone know how to reproduce this? I just sent an FO8 round AS National in a 2 hour race and it did stop for fuel.

Quote from Scawen :

Anyway, If anyone finds a way to reproduce it, do let me know. I tried what you said BOSCHO, an FXO using the AI setup and also RACE_S - in both cases it did pit. This is on a 2 hour race at AS National. I've made a super fast version, I guess I'll send some more cars round there and see if any break down.

Okay....In a vain attempt to improve my sadness rating, i've had a go with this, and here's my findings:-

First i had to go and find the post you quoted from Mr Moi (or whoever it was ?) and found it in the Y18 thread. So, downloaded Y18, set up a 100 lap race at AS Nat, and put a dozen or so Ai in various cars, and set them on their way....

Aside from the "Sato'esque" driving standards they all managed to pit...sort of...

1) Ai4 in the MRT mysteriously stopped on track on lap 12 when i wasn't looking (before a scheduled pitstop). His car/tyres and fuel levels were all ok.....guess he just had enough

2) However, poor old Ai20 in the XRT had an utterly miserable time of it. He must have had a big shunt somewhere in the opening laps, burst a tyre and wrecked the rear suspension. He tried to pit the next lap, but couldn't hit his pit box correctly, stopping inbetween 2 pit markings, but never quite far enough to make it into either. So he never managed to refuel or have the damage repaired. He tried to pit every single lap, but with the same result. At the end of the race the official results said he didn't make any pitstops at all (although by my reckoning he came into the pits 40-odd times). Then to cap it all, at the end of the race on the slowdown lap, he came into the pit lane, tried to turn into his garage, missed it, so had to turn away, and ended up parked at the end of the pitlane with less than 2% fuel left

Hope this helps.

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Anyhoo, a few other things i noticed (if you're interested) :-

1) Ai13 in the BF1 had a hell of a time getting off the grass in various locations around the track. But the chap in the FO8 had no problems at all, simply stuck it in reverse, got back on the tarmac and was away.

2) In Heli-cam/God-view/Aerial-mode, when the cars went under the first road bridge on the pit straight you could still see the car shadows/silhouette through the bridge. But the next road bridge after T1 there where no shadows (cars disappeared briefly, as it should be )

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As i said above, this was tested with Y18, and i havn't checked the "change-log" for Y22, so i don't know if any of the above have been fixed yet.

I did manage to save a replay, so if you really really want to have a look at Ai20's woe's just let me know. (however, the file's about 80mb, so i'll have to find another way to post it, if needed)

Last edited by Mazz4200, Fri 13 Jun 2008, 22:48.

Here's quite a few from the show itself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... _rwME&feature=related

But my fav not mentioned in that clip is "Some say that he once lost a canoe in the North East. And that he once did time in Canterbury Prison after naming his Teddy Bear the baby Jesus.... But all we know is, he's called The Stig"