I've had a look at the replay since posting and I feel I have to place it here for all to enjoy. The irony is so strong in this one.

http://www.mediafire.com/?qz0ei1gf53w

0:40 Straight accross from left to right side of road, not a care for who might be there. Hit someone on the right, full throttle through it. No apology.

1:22 Tried to barged your way past R.G hitting him twice in the process. No apology.

1:32 A nice pit move on EZA. It could be argued that he didn't give you enough room, 50:50 I'd say, but you didn't lift your throttle once.

1:52 My bad move. You say I wrecked and then drove away afterwards but looking at the replay it seems I pulled over to the side and apologised. It's so nice that replays tell the truth.

Then a long gap of you driving on your own

6:14 You outbraked yourself at the hairpin, it's easily done, then rejoined straight into the back of bosk who was even giving you room. No apology

7:00 This is where my irony meter goes into overload. First you hit bosk by trying to take the apex when there a car between you and it then as he bounces back off the wall he PITs you. Admittidly he didn't back off the throttle but this actually helps straighten your car again. Then you call for him to banned. An accident that YOU caused!

At the end of the race you call bosk a crasher, remember you caused it, and this is also where I tell you that you are on a warning again. You then argued that I should warn myself first. I had ONE incident which I apologised for and let the cars involved past. You had the 5 above plus other minor incidents I didn't think worthy of mentioning now. How you had the gaul to argue against your warning, just a warning, I really don't understand. It was clear at this point that you was not going to learn by your mistakes so I decided to ban you for a few days.

The ban was made permanent by a different admin after your first post in this thread. We don't want people like you who have no respect for anyone on our server.

80% of statistics are made up on the spot.

You've done well with this last post as I wasn't going to reply but now I am

Once again for the hard of thinking, you were not banned for your driving.


Shall I repeat that? You were not banned for your driving.


I gave you a warning for a couple of incidents and you whined and moaned like a girl. If you had just said, "OK", you'd still be allowed on our server.

We don't give out warnings for the fun of it. We want clean racing and if we can educate rather than ban then we much prefer that route. Do you seriously think that we will ban everyone that is faster than us? If I banned everyone that is faster than me we wouldn't have many left to race there.

As far as the admin crash you talk about, that was me. I will provide the replay later if I can be bothered but you know full well that I didn't just drive off into the distance. I pulled over to the side, apologised, then made sure that everyone involved had got away before I started off again. If everyone who crashed did that our ban list would be much shorter. It's called self moderating.

I have no problem with gotspeed asking other people for thier opinion on this. He may feel that we have ganged up on him on our forum although there have been people other than IHR posting in the thread. He has also posted it in the right place because he is asking about the incident and not about the ban.

http://ironhorseracing.forumot ... anned-for-racing-t319.htm

That's thread he is talking about which is no longer locked.

Timo1992, he was not banned for the incident, he was only kicked. The initial 12 hour ban came because he would not drop it. We don't argue in lfs chat. That is not good for the rest of the racers.

England vs Wales 5pm kick off,

Gonna be interesting!


Ireland are playing well against Italy at the moment.


Edit: Bugger was about to change the title of the thread to "Six Nations Rugby" and pressed post by mistake. What a muppet.

Edit 2: got it now, thanks

Last edited by menantoll, Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:14.

I just checked the replay and the only childish behaviour I saw there was from Smiley (nofear88bg).

This is how I saw it. My opinion. (using race names)

down the straight towards chicane boss caught generals draft and overtook, but then he went in too hot and hit a tyre which sent him into the gravel on the right. General, not wanting to get involved in the crash, slowed down to avoid him. That is when smiley comes up behind, wanting to use the full racing line, even though he can see all this going on ahead of him. No adjustment in speed, or line, for the fact there was a crash ahead of him, and hits the back of general.

In my mind the only one with any cause for complaint, though very small, would be general but he didn't complain at all. Smiley spectates and then starts accusing general of slowing down on purpose (I assume he means on purpose to upset smiley)

Now the guy being called a 10 year old admin, at the end of the race, advised smiley that he had been warned about arguing. Smiley ignored this warning, continued arguing and in the end was banned.

Quite how you can say that 1 line and 1 ban is evidence of acting like a child I don't know.

I would be careful as I'd imagine the penalties for abusing the global ban system would be quite severe.

Xenix74,

I think the title missled you. I believe he meant the races to be held over a number of months not all in one week. How much coffee and red bull would that take?



I think it's a great idea on paper but who wants to organise it?

Quote from Dac :

I think a one car per race would be a good idea. Hate it when n00bs cause an accident then just re-spawn with a new car as if nothing has happened

We already have this as an admin option, it's called turning off mid race join.

Quote from BlueFlame :

Everything I know is from learning myself, not from reading books or having an education.

I'm struggling to see how you can learn without reading or being taught. How can you learn on your own ("learning myself") without researching facts?

Unless you actually mean that you just make stuff up based on your opinions. I'm sorry mate but that is not learning.

Quote from breztt :

The xfg team mt by brez

Man your stealing skills are rubbish. You couldn't even rub out the Ironhorse wording properly

Again I don't know if this has been asked before but is it possible to build a queue system into airio for when the race is full?

put simply, you request ario to join, not lfs, and then airio queues people up and joins them when it can.

Glad I could help

I have a number of them here, PM me and I'll arrange to get some to you

Quote from nofear88bg :

When you connect to server there are 5 rules shown and the last one tells - Post-crashing = 7 days ban

I've highlighted the important bit for you. That is the only published number of days ban for an action that I know of. It has nothing to do with crashing in the race.

Quote from nofear88bg :

You don't even known your own rules...what a pity...

And that attempt at an insult just earned you another 5 days. Only 999959 days to go until I run out.

And before anyone asks, the reason we don't allow post race crashing is this. Nothing is more annoying than waiting a couple of races to get in (when race full) only for some idiot to crash you off the track, after the first race you've managed to join, and then someone else gets your place. Also many like to practice inbetween races so we like to keep the track clear for them. For some it is their chance to warm up before they start racing.

Quote from nofear88bg :

Ok then who desides for crashing is 7 day for swear 30?How is that thing happen and who decide the timing?Is this fair as a whole?

How many times do you have to be told before you will understand it?

You were not given a 30 day ban JUST for swearing

You were not given a 30 day ban JUST for swearing

You were not given a 30 day ban JUST for swearing

You were not given a 30 day ban JUST for swearing


Also where do you get the 7 day for crashing thing from?

There are no rules for timing of bans.

Quote from The Very End :

Give this guy a second chance, lift his ban.
If he on the other hand, acts like an ass - give him 999days ban and put him on ignore, then he knows that one more situation and it's out

The point that has been made both here and on our forum is that he has already had a 2nd, 3rd and possibly 4th chance. 30 days (now 35) is not that long considering the grief he has actually caused.

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

Yes, but obviously your forum isn't either, as talking about it there just means +5 to the day count.

Where, may I ask, is the right place to discuss it?

You are obviously trolling so I will ignore you from now on.

Quote from nofear88bg :

You do not talk anywhere this is not right and still doesnt answer my quistion!
And i discussed it here in order to let people know the attetude of IHR admins to have it in mind and also if someone do his job!
P.S isn't this the lfs comunity?! So the topic is at right place!

Your question has been answered already, The rules state

1.2 No swearing of any kind.

1.3 No insulting of other people in server.

But as has already been stated and put so well by havoc on our forum

Quote from Havoc :

1) you are on the watch list
2) you will not call anyone on IHR servers a BASTARD
3) you were the cause of your own accident
4) adminning is not "my job". having people on the server keeping it clean and free of idiotic behavior such as yours is a prevelidge, not a right.
learn to behave correctly, learn when to recognize your own mistakes, and learn to repsect other people. hopefully you can do that within the 30 day ban period you so rightly earned.

You asked for another admin to comment so I did. Then it appeared that I wasn't good enough for you. I increased your ban because you won't listen to what you are being told it's a thing adults do with children to get them to stop and think a bit.

Now go back and read all three threads (yes there are now 3) from the start to finish and maybe you will get the fact that the person who banned you took all of your incidents into consideration when deciding on a length and not just this one incident when you insulted someone for not avoiding you when you crashed.

Quote from nofear88bg :

Boyz just see one of the amins what has written to me in their forum:
My username is the name I use here, I don't use any other so I am who I appear to be.

"I have just increased your ban to 35 days. Do you want to continue arguing?"
This is written by menantoll
I guess this is the way to tell someone to shut up isn't it?! WHat an attetude...Thats not the way man you have teribly mistaken!
Here is the screen if the admin denies!

Why would I deny what I write on our forum when it is open for all to read?

I will not talk about your ban here as this is not the place to do so.

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

bastard lots of times

On IHR server we have a no abusive behaviour rule and a swear filter in place to autokick the words we don't want used.

Our philosophy is that if we try to get racers to be respectful off the track then we hope they can be respectful on the track. Our goal, as many other server owners, is to create a happy and clean racing environment where people can have fun.

It matters not that the word can be used here many times, we set the rules on our server and the devs set the rules here. See the difference?

Also as has been pointed out, he has been on our watch list for a while so if you think the 30 day ban is purely for the swearing in that replay then you are very mistaken and I suggest you appologise for calling Havoc retarded.

Quote from nofear88bg :

Thanks for the obective opinion.PVL2 was an acc i used 1 year for free,one good friend gave it to me,and now i use my own one so this doen't matter

Thank you for clearing that one up.


Mods can you now lock this for the obvious reasons please.

Quote from Danny LFS :

LifeStyle Cruise is the new LibertyCruise, so stop making fake ones.

And also, it's in the wrong section. Go in the Teams forum if you gonna make one.

/thread

If the big teams (NDR, LR, SR, to name 3) are allowed to advertise new servers in this section then why can't others?

I didn't see you posting in their thread telling them it was in the wrong section.

Quote from mdmx :

And if you are much slower, like several secs per lap, it's not that bad thing to let the way faster driver pass without defensive moves even without blue-flag. After i learned to do that, and tried to follow them instead of blocking them, my laptimes started to improve quite fast. You know, fighting for positions is fun but if it's obvious you are very much slower then it just might be much more entertaining and useful to try to follow instead of trying to desperately block.

Have fun..

Totally agree with that last paragraph. You can learn much more following a faster driver than you can learn by trying to defend against them. It's also fustrating as hell when a slower car aggresively defends and you end up having to hit the brakes hard to not hit them.

I had this the other night. Now I don't claim to be fast and this particular race (SO Long) I was about 2 seconds off the pace of the lead cars and the guy aggresively blocking me was 2 seconds off my pace (taken from fastest lap shown at end of race). It took me about a lap and a half to get passed him because he kept pulling silly moves at corners where I could pass meaning I had to slam on the brakes so we didn't crash. Effectively ruined my race because by the time I got past it was too late to catch up with people at my own pace.

If someone is obviously faster than me I'll stay slightly wider on a corner and let them slip past.

Quote from audimasta :

Just a heads up to you Mr. voight kampff, the Dead Men Racing server is a nice place for some clean racing (if you prefer smaller grids than the ones on IHR). Good luck

I gotta agree with this even if it does take you away from our server. Generally if you join a server with 10 or less drivers it is a much friendlier and cleaner environment to race in. You'll also get more chance to talk to people, get set ups, advice etc.

Quote from EQ Worry :

Yes, of course that is possible. You need to stop Airio, find the correct item in STA files, change it, save the file, start Airio again. The STA files format is in detal explained right here. But this approach is not recommended. [If you try, make sure to have backup copies.]

Thanks again for your quick reply?

Is something you have in your plans to code?

In the absence of this is there a way to remove a user from the database so that they have to start from the beginning again? Without editing files.

The problem is at the moment the only longterm punishment that can be handed out is a ban.

Again I don't know if it has been asked before but is there a way of giving point penalties (removing points) and safety rating penalties (lowering it)?