Quote from StableX :

true, but it's not just for that. It's nice to see what position you're in relative to your class, not relative to the overall race!

Totally agree, mine was more a specific argument against BlueFlame's pathetic "it doesn't take much brain power" line.

Quote from BlueFlame :

The F3 relative position readout wasn't a problem with multi-class racing... It isn't hard to see that if you're the first of the mustangs in grand am race on the relative, chances are you are leading the class.. Doesn't need to say you're number 1. Doesn't take much brain power to add or sub-subtract single numbers when driving...

But you only see the 3 cars in front and behind without scrolling. Takes much more than a bit of brain power if you are in the middle of a 30 car field.

The following may get me a forum ban but so be it.


BlueFlame, you are an a**hole.

Ball bearing Turbo has it spot on.

You don't have the balls to admit you are wrong.

BlueFlame, you are an a**hole.

You spout off a load of opinionated s**t as fact and when some one brings a proper argument to the table you change the subject or pick on a small part of the argument that you feel you are still right in and try to ignore the rest

Man up

Grow some balls

and while your at it

Grow up.

BlueFlame, stop being an a**hole.

Last edited by Flame CZE, Sat, 5 Nov 2011 14:30. Reason : bad language

Quote from s14 drift :

i'm totally awesome

-1

Quote from BlueFlame :

They race on the Legends Oval more as of late. I looked and I guess they used to run Charlotte Oval with Street Stocks previously, but nothign that recently.

They ran Charlotte full oval week commencing 27/9/11 and before that 16/8/11. That's two weeks in 12. They ran the legends oval 2 weeks in 12 too.

Maybe because they ran the legends in week commencing 11/10/11 which is the closer it makes you think that they run it more than the full oval?

Quote from BlueFlame :

I don't like the payment scheme as much as the next bloke, but fact is, it's just like LFS, people actually adore the product they just WANT to whine about SOMETHING.

Then you agree with him, why argue with what me and he had to say? (I too have spent way more than I should have on content at iRacing but this fact does not make my defence of his observations any less valid)

Quote from BlueFlame :

Nevertheless I've been really ingrossed in oval-racing. My favourite combo so far is definately the street-stock at Charlotte, that should definately be permanent on the street-stock series schedule rotation.

I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong but I thought the street stock already runs at charlotte.


Personally, when I first started at iRacing, once I got out of rookie I ran the late models. Loved it. Purchased loads of tracks. Then I got to C class and tried out the trucks! Rarely race late models or short tracks now.

Do I blame iRacing?

No.

My own fault for purchasing in the moment instead of using my brain.


My point?

Yes iRacing can be expensive if you follow your heart and ignore your brain.



The marketing hype and scheduling is another kettle of fish altogether though. I don't even think about defending that shit anymore.

Quote from BlueFlame :

But, you've only paid 12 dollars for 3months, and within a day you're already thinking it's a waste of money? Well I know I was definately not an advocate of iRacing in the slightest before I got it, but I didn't think it was a waste of 12$ for 3 months within 1 day..

That isn't what he said, it's what you read into what he said.

He gets a cheap deal to try it out and while there he has a look at the cost of content and adds it all up and says my god. It's not easy to find out the cost of content unless you are a member.

S3ANPukekoh3, two things

1. you don't have to buy all the content and would be waste (in my mind) to buy it all at once anyway. To get the best out of it you should spend time concentrating on one or two cars at a time. Unless you are an alien that doesn't have to practice and learn cars/tracks.

2. You get discounts when you buy 3 or more bits of content in one go.

Quote from BlueFlame :

It's touch and go really, he didn't do it with other people in mind, only himself. You'd argue he was SUPPOSED to crash into them, but you'd also argue it wasn't his fault.

Touch and go my arse. It's using a tool that is not available in game to gain an advantage over other users. This is called cheating.

Agreed it wasn't his fault but why should he get away with it when someone without a lag switch wouldn't? Should lag switches be allowed now but only to be used when it isn't your fault?

Edit: All of the above is on the assumption that he was using a lag switch and that it wasn't just a coincidental lag. As improbable as that is (prehaps his computer is in the starship Heart of Gold).

Edit 2: Anyone got any road legends sets?

Last edited by menantoll, Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:38.

Quote from Intrepid :

...Most people can keep just 27p in every £1 they earn in the UK...

You either didn't understand that article or you deliberately misread it for impact here.

Quote from from that article :

Hard to believe? Here’s how it works. People earning just over £7,475 – or less than a third of national average earnings, according to the Office for National Statistics – pay income tax at 20pc, plus NICs at 12pc and suffer tax credit clawbacks at 41pc; a total marginal tax rate of 73pc. That means they will be allowed to keep just 27p in every extra £1 they earn.
Mike Warburton of accountants Grant Thornton pointed out: “This means that someone earning as little as £144 a week keeps only 27 pence from every £1 that they earn above minimal limits.

I've bolded some of the most relevant bits for you.

41% Clawback, This is the money that they used to get in benefits but is slowly withdrawn at 41p for every £1 they earn over the magic figure. They still keep the 59p.

Clawing back benefits is NOT a tax it's withdrawing free money.

Sensationalist journalism at it's best.


On the other hand, how much the average person keeps of every £1 he earns due to both direct and indirect taxation is another matter entirely.

A fully paid up member of the iRacing defence league.

I've posted my idea for pick up racing, well fun races every half hour, in the suggestions forum. I'm just waiting for the defence league to tell me how wrong I am now.

Quote from -NightFly- :

I'm only guessing here but it might just be that "expression" was not meant in insulting way, at least i didn't felt touched by this.
But it seems you have to but j/k, joke or sarcasm behind everything you write on these forums, bleh it's lfsforums afterall, attacking and insulting eachother is a common way...

I can't argue with any of that.

As a wise man once said to me "The internet, you write the words, they decide the emotion. Sucks!"

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

..snip...So I don't see why some of the arsey people on this forum are getting all...arsey?

I'm only guessing here but it might just be because she called everyone "tight fisted bastards"

Before she made that post there was 1 (one) reply and I wouldn't call that arsey.

Bob Geldolf holds the monopoly on "Give us your F***ing money now"

well the 24hr fun thing was still one or 2 hour gaps and only for 24 hours at the weekend? Something like that. And like you say they ditched that too.

That is nearly as good as the offer Chuck got us last year if you make the assumption that you are going to spend money on content at some point anyway (which I did). But like you, I'm going to pass on that one. Easy to say when I still have time left on my subs though. Like an alcoholic, it's easy to say you're going to give up when the beer runs out. When the beer actually runs out though it becomes a lot harder.

Last edited by menantoll, Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:59.

There seems to be an absolute refusal with them to do anything but their one race every 2 hours (one hour for rookie) though. Except week 13 of course. They seem to think that everybody wants to race seriously for points all the time. (not to mention a points system that encourages those that do care about points to race only 2 races per week *I know it's deeper than that but you get my gist*).

I don't see why they can't have a combo that runs a race every half hour, randomly changing every day for fun. Possibly even 2, with one of them only running base content.

Their idea of fun is a 20 min race every hour rotating oval and road with the 2 top cars!

If it wasn't for the cheap deal that Chuck secured for a number of us last year I think I would be long gone from there. (doesn't stop me spending on content though. The fool that I am, parted from my money so easily)

I'm patiently awaiting Phil's rant about Dave's post.

Am I right in saying that dave says that the nascar lap time fall off is not due to the wear being wrong but the temperature build up being wrong?

Quote from PMD9409 :

That's just a PR video. He's not going to act like it is crap.

However him taking 2 weeks off after the "2.0" release was funny IMO. They say some ridiculous things though, I'll give you that.

Dave's a developer though, not an actor. I really do think they have started to believe their own publicity. Just my thoughts, I am aware I could be wrong.

Quote from Hyperactive :

E: I'm actually quite worried with something he said in the vid. He said that stewart drove some laps and was faster than their own test drivers. How slow the iracing beta testers are when someone can come sit in a sim and do faster laps immediatelly? I hope that was just marketing talk there instead of something else.

It does make you think doesn't it, when they say that real world drivers normally have a problem with "getting the feel" of sims straight away. If it was marketing talk who was it pointed at? The sim crowd are going to say "are your testers not up to it? If a real world driver with no sim experience beats your testers so easily" or the GT/NFS crowd "Wow a real world driver showed those sim testers how real it really is" Or is the iRacing PR department not really up to the job?

Quote from PMD9409 :

Doesn't always take money to produce a good physics model though. I think we all agree that it is because they are Americans.

I think they've started to believe their own publicity and that is fatal.

You can see that Dave really does believe what he is saying at 9.45 in the below link

http://youtu.be/5gFb1Nyg5ZA

Quote from BlueFlame :

Notice how they're all black.


Just saying..



rap culture is the devil

On the first page maybe, but is that all you wanted to see? Plenty of all colours if you look past the first page.



How about some real facts while we get back on track?

Spreadsheet showing Court appearances so far and sentences.

Quote from flymike91 :

So are the riots still going on or have they burned themselves out?

I was just thinking today how it seems like it is illegal to defend your life and your property in the UK. Thats part of the reason a ragged group of punks can do so much damage; even your police are powerless to defend law-abiding citizens.

Rain stopped play.

Don't believe all you hear in the media.

Say someone breaks in to your house

If you hit them with a baseball bat because they pull a knife on you it is not illegal it is self defence. If you hold up a baseball bat which sends them running THEN you run after them and beat them to death. THAT is illegal.

Quote from Intrepid :

You have been a direct beneficiary of tax avoidance, that's all I'm saying.

Money that should have (and that's a very loose should) been taxed, instead probably went to some kid racing, which you benefited from.

My point being that tax avoidance isn't born from some selfish place. Quite a few businesses have to otherwise they simply can't turnover a real profit. A profit that often gets re-invested and put towards new sustainable jobs.

You seem to fast to understand those who riot, yet wilfully ignore why someone might avoid tax.

Sorry Intrepid but paying for advertising, which is what sponsorship actually is, is not tax avoidance. It's a legitimate business expense. It may be claimable against tax but the sponsor will only save a % of the amount paid out in tax. They are still down. Tax avoidance is where you do something legal and end up with more money in your pocket not less.

Quote from Boris Lozac :

I meant to say i didn't understood that post entirely...

And it's costing me about 220 euros.

He was basically saying that the price of car insurance in britain is inflated because of the huge amounts of false/shouldn't have claimed if they were honest claims that go on here.


bottom line

You pay less than you would here even in the cheapest insurance areas

In all the bitch fighting (yeah I know I was part of it) this idea hasn't been commented on and I'd love to hear the comments of the more vocal here

Quote from someone else :

Ultimately Income Tax is fundamentally unfair - you have to pay the government for letting you work, to pay for public sector things you could afford privately if you didn't pay them and for people who don't work.

Even IF you don't accept that, you're still left with three completely unfair implementations. First, everyone pays the same rate so that the more you earn the more you pay (despite using the same amount of what it pays for). Second, variable rates so that the more you earn the more, proportionally, you pay (despite using the same amount of what it pays for). Third, a flat rate so that everyone pays exactly the same, so that low earners give more of the salary, propotionally, in tax. None are wholly fair (except possibly the last one - since the average person uses the same amount of public sector services paid for by income taxation as the next average person, they should pay the same - but it's completely impossible to implement or get through the Commons as no-one on NMW will possibly ever accept paying the exact same amount of income tax as Wayne ****ing Rooney).

So Income Tax as a concept is unfair and any implementation of it is fundamentally flawed. Which is why it shouldn't exist.

What should exist is a high sales tax (like we already have, as it happens) so that the more things people buy and use, the more they contribute to society. Ronaldo buys another Ferrari to replace the other one he smashed up? £35k into the Exchequer - and that pays for a Band 7 nurse for a year (which is another benefit - instead of being seen as rich, posing wankers, rich, posing wankers become benevolent philanthropists. After all, they chose to buy a Ferrari and pay a nurse's salary).


Of course, there's still issues there. For a start there are the standard sales tax dodges - but in the first few years, everyone has shitloads more money to buy things and doesn't bother trying to dodge it until their outgoings match their salary and it's all old hat. By which time they've paid for hunners more coppers and customs officers. Win. The bigger issue is whether sales tax alone covers HM Government spending - and then we enter the age-old argument of just what HM Government should be spending. Though a good place to start cutbacks would be hardcore porn for ministers' partners and 20% payrises for not turning up to work 3 days in 4...

Quote from Intrepid :

BOOM - Here endeth the debate. In the words of ace Ventura - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVoKlqbz1l4

Quote from Boris Lozac :

That's some advance course english right there, didn't exactly got you,

eh?

Quote from Boris Lozac :

but anyway, how much would it cost me to have Golf MKII there annually? (i'm 27).

Why don't we just cut to the chase and you tell us how much is costs you?

Quote from 5haz :

Much of the avoidance isn't legal, and under the radar. The point being that much of this tax avoidance goes on completely unabated until someone bothers to pull them up for it.

That's called tax evasion and is a very different thing.

Quote from 5haz :

Considering you've just added several posts filled with unnecessary and thoroughly corny sarcastic laughter (a poor attempt at sharp cynicism perhaps?), then just instructed me to 'grow a pair' as well as called me a 'looney', you're in no position to criticism me on personal insults. Don't dish out what you can't take.

The laughter wasn't an insult. It was me laughing at what you said. The "looney" part I have to give you. My bad, I insulted you first. Sorry.

Quote from 5haz :

And I'm sorry, but I must be honest, you really aren't that important to me, and I'm sure the feelings mutual, but that's fine by me.

Thats fine by me but remember it was you that wanted an "intelligent debate". I mistaking tried to have one. Only for you to "read(ing) what you want(ed) to hear as opposed to the actual words "

Quote from 5haz :

I understand the subtle difference, I also understand that politicians use these subtle differences to sweeten what they are saying, a concept you apparently fail to grasp.

I like to listen to the words then wait for the actions. You and many people in that link have become judge and jury and changed his words to "I'm gonna block all these sites" Do you see that I did read it now?