Quote from Furiously-Fast :

Wow, that looks amazing! Only problem is that means there is no good racing game coming out at Q4 for the PS3.

Oh well, I will just hope S3 gets released at Xmas.

March 2010 is Q4, which is exactly what PD said 2-3 months ago at E3, the problem is people wrongly assume Q4 2009 as being the 4th quarter of the 2009 calendar, however its a business calendar which starts and ends at completely different times.

In Japan at least, the fiscal year starts April 1st, ending March 31st. Im not sure if every country has the same timeframe, but it certainly isnt a traditional calendar quarter, its a calendar quarter from a financial POV.

So there should be a good racing game coming out during Q4 of 2009, but not during the last 3 months of 2009. I pointed this out when the Q4 date was published, and said people shouldnt jump to a xmas 2009 conclusion, and here it is... though a LOT was hinted at it being an xmas release, but nothing as concrete as the Q4 '09 date they're still aiming for.

The Sony conference started 20min ago, hopefully the final details will come from here. Animated pit team has already been leaked, along with new Lambo 560-4

March 2010 in Japan :'(

Last edited by PaulC2K, Thu 24 Sep 2009, 04:53.

I was just wondering the same thing, theres a LOT of unknowns at the moment, the teams havent been announced, neither GT1 or GT2 balancing is known, and yet were 10 days away from the first round of the series. Infact, wouldnt the first qualifying be taking place this coming Sunday? I know people dont really take the first qual too seriously, but we'd surely need to have selected our cars by this point, giving us less than 90hrs to make a decision.

Its kinda impossible to practice for something when you dont know which car is going to be fastest for you to run in. I know its not easy to come up with a final decision, and it cant be rushed, but its getting kinda unreasonable on the people having to rush to get everything together so close to the start.

st00pid double post refresh :P

Quote from Mattesa :

Would it be stupid to buy the PS3 just for GT5?

Knowing full well that it probably won't hold my interest from a SIM perspective and will end up just sitting around unplayed.

I'll wait for the physics bug youtube videos to talk my out of it but damn it just LOOKS so good!

Yes it'd be stupid, very stupid!

Buying it for GT5, God of War, Uncharted, Killzone... BluRay & other media capabilities isnt stupid

PC's do have such a CPU, quad core CPUs are nothing new, the Cell is either 8 cell with 1 redundant for backup incase on dies it can use the 'spare' or 7 using 6 cores... eitherway its just a multicore setup.

The main difference is the PS3s games takes advantage of a multicore system because it unequivocally knows what its dealing with. EVERY PS3 has the same hardware, which is wildly different to PC systems, theres so many possible setups and they cater to a wide market rather than being fully focused on whats best for 1.
What has proved successful on many of the best looking and most popular titles has been acheived when the developers have assigned each core a specific task, rather than having all of them doing all the jobs at once. Physics, Audio, AI... each assigned to a core, and then brought together, rather than lots of data being passed between cores for calculations.

Until every PC has similar components, theres always going to be a diverse market to develope for, and as is the main issue with the 360, the lowest common denominator is what they're limited to. If someone out there has no HDD drive, they cant release a 360 game that depends on the user dumping any content to the HDD. Because the new Forza comes on multiple discs, any user driving a car from disc 2 online will appear on some peoples game as driving a generic model because their system doesnt have disc 2's data, only whats in the disc drive.
They had to compromise the ideal solution (key data on the disc or HDD) because they cant get all the data onto 1 DVD and cannot guarantee every user has a HDD in there.
PCs are the same, and as such they're limited to that. Sometimes its nice having the best hardware money can buy, but if everything else is holding you back... what good is it?
Likewise the problem with the PS3s structure is that most game developers are familiar with the PC structure, which the 360 follows (it'd be stupid not to when its a microsoft product and you influence a significant share of the market), but because the PS3 goes a more logical way which works better for a unique model, rather than a wide range it doesnt need to cater to. The problem is it isnt the PC route developers know, so they whine and moan a bit, completely ignoring the fact that never in the history of console gaming has it really been any different. The xbox is a mini-PC, that made their life easier, nothing else changed... except the developers now have an lazy attitude to learning now they have the option of not having to.

PC's can do the above no problem, but with so many variations, compromises have to be made, and that means lowering the benchmark to allow it.

I wouldnt have thought a zero score would be that hard to understand why its being removed tbh.

180 - 260 - 0 - 80 - 420

If those were your round totals, the worst being deducted, then it doesnt really make sense to remove the 4th round when you got 80pts when you didnt/couldnt do round 3 and deducting that round gives you the highest 4 from 5 total.

IMO its a very good rule to use in any non professional series IRL, and likewise in sim racing, because if there is something else which clashes with a date, like a holiday, only a professional driver would sacrifice the holiday to put their racing first, meaning withstanding a serious issue, they'll do whatever they can to attend. However when there are every day occurances which people put ahead of racing (IRL or Sim racing, ie having to work a double shift, family members birthday) then the driver is instantly out of any chance of getting a deserved result, so dropping rounds gives the entrants some flexability with them attending most of the rounds and still being able to fight for an honest result. If every round counts, you miss one and win all the others and come 5th its not a result which accurately reflects your activity, so theres positive aspects for everyone involved by using a dropped round, the drivers benefit, the series benefits, everyone is happy.

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The ladies know where the future leaders of the world are. In their parent's basement

Incest - Creating the worlds future leaders

It does explain G.W.Bush though!

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Oh snap!



http://www.gtplanet.net/gran-t ... 9-release-date-confirmed/

Its worth pointing out something that even the GTPlanet site hasnt highlighted and people may not realise (and later moan about delays) ... them saying Q4 2009 doesnt mean its between Sept - Dec 2009, ie a date within 2009, its most likely around Dec 09 - March 10, because its done to the business calendar rather than a regular one when your refering to yearly quarters.
Hopefully it will be inside 2009, but the ballpark date provided can be misleading, not to mention delayed no matter how complete it is considered right now (LBP was delayed 1wk before launch!).

Just something worth considering when these sort of expected released dates get mentioned.

i did try modifying the URL from the previous round around 3am to see if it was there and hadnt been announced but it had a completely different name. wouldnt have been able to watch it any sooner though

thx, nice timing too as been out since this morning and been waiting for the replay and trying not to see the result

Quote from J@tko :

Nothing to do with this League, but my opinion:

I can see why a dropped score rule could be useful, especially during a Summer Series, as it's quite likely that someone will be away for at least one round of the series, but that person doesn't have to worry about it as they can still win it. This of course it a tad unfair on someone who's turned up for every race. I'd think a slightly fairer way is "half-worst dropped score", where you drop 50% of your worst score - the people who couldn't turn up aren't disadvantaged that much, and people who came to every race still get some points

I'll merge my opinion in with this reply, seeing as it goes into what i think people see incorrectly.

If theres 5 rounds with the best 4 to count, 1 driver does all races, 1 driver decides they want to watch tv for 1 round but does the other 4, then the driver who's done 5 rounds is always going to benefit, for the simple fact that they've had 5 races and they get to keep their best 4, the other guy is forced to have all 4 which they've done..

Its a half empty/half full issue, you see what you want to see from it, but IMO this is more like a 60/40, because the suggested method DEFINATLY ruins any title asperations a person has, the tweaked method still heavily penalises, but leaving it as it is still gives 5of5 attenders a bonus of having 5 races to get their best results, where 4of5 folks are stuck with those 4 they did, and most significantly it means everyone can still fight for the championship if they cant make a race, get disconnected, wrecked, or just have a stinker of a round. This seems to be more of a punishment to people who miss a race, and if 5 people suffer, thats 5 people less competitive in the title race and unless were taking the series seriously (which i'd find hard to do in a UFB) then that rule change doesnt really stick to the fun but honest spirit of things i think this sort of racing should be done by.

IMO, if someone wins 4 rounds, but their internet plays up, they're ill or on holiday somewhere nice, they shouldnt end up behind someone who's averaged say 5th, the idea of a dropped round is to keep things close and remove unforgiving results, forcing the driver to keep their absolute worst result isnt a particularly friendly rule, and if someone told me theres a dropped round, but if for some reason i cant make a race, im forced to have that round as a counted round... i wouldnt enter cos its a stupid rule that is anything but helpful, its just very counter productive, it'd be a mean rule for what would appear to be a fun series.

Which will most likely translate to around £225 at Play.com and similar shortly after they're released in 2wks time.


oh, also, whoever mentioned (trolled probably) about the PS3 Slim looking cheap, i'd definately say i wouldnt swap my 60gb PS3 for this Slim model, not on visuals alone, i love the gloss black & chrome and the matt black does look cheaper, however from people who have actually seen them (some news outlets had one delivered yesterday)
ie Joystiq.com
"It's still a hefty system that feels well made, and even though it lacks the gloss black and chrome finish of the original PS3, it's a lot nicer looking in person that the initial photos might have led you to believe."

Quote from Bawbag :

I'll wait and get the cheapest one I can, the origional prices are allways mega, I hink the PS2 was £300 here, I waited and paid £199 for it.

Day 1
Day... 150ish for PS3 though


As for the press release, the 830 im sure will be updated to GT5 standards, including many which have been in the game before (GT5P or earlier). The premium models i'd imagine will be the Ferrari's, and recently announced Lambo's which are making their first (worldwide) appearance, so i'd expect them to be the luxury cars where that extensive extra detail will be appreciated more.
It couldnt possibly be GT4 models in GT5, as that would mean the other 170 'premium' cars would almost all exist in GT5P already which would seem unlikely for a developer to give make around 100 cars for a cut down version, and only make a few more for the full thing, all the while attempting to make a photo realistic sim that using a car library where 80% of them are 4yo car models for a previous generation.... it just doesnt make sense that they're not improved 3D models. So as i say, i'd expect it to be 830 cars of GT5P quality, then some uber HQ ones.
The only FAIL i see, is xbots looking to pick away at something, by taking something that hasnt been said and making something new of it, like implying that not all the cars will have damage... where does it imply all cars might not have full deformation damage?

60 tracks.... NOICE!!

What suprises me that it hasnt been picked up on and hailed as the fantastic news that it is, is....
Faithfully reproducing the behavior of electric cars, i.e. Prius, Insight, hybrid cars and the latest Tesla model
Isnt that what every racer has been waiting for!!!

And people might harp on about LFS not being a photo/screenshot simulator, but screw them cos i like having it in there. I think the only thing im mildly envious of Forza3 is the video editing in-game, which is nice (in the same way photo taking is) but its a feature i can live without. I'd sooner have it in LFS, cos i'd use it FAR more often.


As for improved simulation mode, theres always hope, but at the end of the day i didnt play GT4 as a simulator, and i wont play GT5 as one either, i'll be playing it as a sufficiently accurate racing game-slash-sim which is just fun to play. LFS is where i sim racer, GT5 is my have-a-bit-of-fun racer.
Im just thankful not all dev teams are going the GRID/NFS:Shift path, where everything looks focused on things so horrificly fake and scripted looking, its sickening.

oops, forgot the link i meant to post...
Cam footage from todays GC, shows damage apparently (havent seen yet, paused to post this) and the quality is stable/solid.
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/gc-09-gran-turismo/54450
aww, now i gotta comment after seeing that clip!
Damage looks very impressive, (unlike the drivers driving ) although the door bit does concern me (you'll see). VERY nice touch with the movable objects in there, the red/white barrier that get clipped, and then the lightweight barriers which get knocked around.
I cant recall if ive heard if the damage goes beyond visuals though.

Last edited by PaulC2K, Wed 19 Aug 2009, 14:45.

Im going to go with... DU-GaseR

Geniunely couldnt see it going any other way, everyone who's been at the very front on pace alone (rather than assisted good results largely through the reversed grid) had made too many mistakes/DNS/DNF in other rounds to still be in with any reasonable chance. I knew i'd have to finish in the top 5 and a good few places ahead of him to be in with a chance myself, and behind me the gap was pretty big too, and i didnt expect to be anywhere near there on merit.
KY2R isnt really a track were 1 marginal mistake see's you retired (hello FE2 :razz, which is why i opted for KY2R over BL1R, it lets people race openly without something stupid causing retirements (yes you FE2!) so points were always on the cards.

Things were going fine for me until lap 6, somehow qualified far higher than i'd expected, and found speed which had failed to materialise in race practice. Unfortunately Windows sent me to desktop and after quickly tabbing back into LFS to see my car sat in the gravel facing the wrong way at T2 so i had no hope really, was just damage limitation time.
What suprised me was that after crashing, the end of that lap i was 29.2sec behind GaseR (who i was right behind till then) and yet at the end of the race i finished 28.67 behind the eventual winner.
Wasnt cos i was faster, but simply because 90% of you dont know how to work a decent pit strategy apparently and so...

Todays little tip:
There were 2 pit strategies which were going to give people a decent advantage over others in this race, pitting very early (end of lap 1, later doesnt make much less sense) and pitting very late (ditto, end of lap 19, for same reasons). The biggest issue with the UFB is the tyres, they're impossible to hold any heat, by pitting your doing the worst part of the track (the long straight, which drains heat rapidly) at an even slower pace, so you'll see a significant loss in tyre temps, before going back onto the track with a slippery car which wont ever really get those temps back because the core temp is so cold its cooling the external temp.
So by pitting on the last lap you do 19 laps with meh tyres, ONE with horrible tyres, compared to pitting on say lap 10, 10 laps with meh temps, 2-3 laps where the car is horrible, and the rest pretty cold.
The only reason pitting on lap 1 would actually work is if your mid pack, rather than driving round in a pack playing hide the salami, get out of the chaos and unpredictability, get some free track to yourself and control your own pace rather than defending and basically throwing time away.

I could never have won that race without a force pitstop, but with it, and everyone elses strategy, i quite possibly could have simply by using intellegent tactics while others struggle on stone cold tyres. I guess some people are forced to do an unscheduled pit due to an accident, but IMO first or last lap was the only time for pitting, damage excluding.


Anyway, congrats to DU-GaseR, didnt get to race with you too much, i think we had a lap or 2 of passing at SO6, and some uneventful following at KY2, and you've been consistant AND quick, and finished all the races strongly, so well deserved win once its made official

Also thanks to Michele for putting on the series, its been good fun, and asside from some unfortunate moments which it'd be hard pressed to blame you for, its been well organised

Of the suggestions, i kinda prefer Deutschland2007's, but it doesnt give a firm solution to the issue. You still have to have someone checking that section for cutting and keep a record of who it was and how many times etc, as well as decide whats acceptable as a mistake and whats pushing too hard knowing the consequences are soft at best (the situation that currently exists).

IMO Boothy's is more of a solution, however i cant help but think that corner is still quite tight/narrow. The physical room might be the same, but i get the feeling it'll feel rather claustraphobic (or however its spelt!) kinda like South City because there arent curbs you can hop and its effectively a locked in space, rather than open which it would be if the corner was actually designs in that shape. Theres probably equally tight places people still pass into, but i think the side by side in & out might see paint spread more liberally onto other cars than most corners.

hmm, the last corner i think most could claim they've got 2 wheels on the curb in some cases, i continued to go around it regardless of whether its acceptable or not, however that cut in the screenshot is nothing but blatent cutting, everyone knows whats acceptable and what isnt, and purposely driving about 2 meters OFF the racing line (off the asphalt) is cheating, plain and simple. There shouldnt need to be barriers to know thats unacceptable.

I dont really see as someone should need to put in a protest for something like that, its dishonest racing, no more, no less. You dont need rules to tell you specificly whats okay and what isnt.

oddly enough this issue was brought up on our nfinity forum the other day, i'll C&P what was posted there as it'd solve some of the issues, dunno about the grid order problem...

Originally taken from Airio site i'd imagine.

Quote :

!checks [on|off]

This command turns on (default state) and off all active additional Airio checks like idling, cursing, wrong way driving, repeated joining etc. If these checks are turned off Airio just tracks and displays statistics (split/sector/lap times) of every player and race as a whole. This mode is useful for some special occasions like having a closed race for invited people only when it is clear that everyone is interested in nice racing and the checks could have negative impact – e.g. spectating a player that just needs long time to get off the gravel. Turning off checks is also necessary for some layout configurations and stunt racing. If neither on nor off is specified, this command shows current Airio state. Using the !cfg command and knowing configuration keys it is also possible to turn on and off individual checks (see user manual for their list) as well as other externally defined settings.

Alternative versions: !ch.

tyres are a pain in the ass, but we accept them as perminant fixtures on multiple LFS tracks (AS5 as already pointed out, is a perfect example), and people are suggesting Fern Bay as a new venue, and there isnt a combo we'd do which doesnt have an unforgiving tyre wall chicane on there.
They've had a temporary tyre chicane employed in a formula 1 race (Spanish GP) in 1994 after the deaths at San Marino.

Making that specific corner slower could possibly improve overtaking possibilities too, as leaving the inside undefended could allow a late brake down the inside, and instantly being defensive would compromise your potential exit speed.

Quote from Kristjan.J :

I'm sure Paul meant FE3.

he did, he's being a n00b :dunce:

+1 to JDF's No Safety car, for exactly the reasons he gave.

+1 to Success Ballast, cos it'd make things closer
-2 to Success Ballast, cos it'd make the best teams slower, and IMO the best teams deserve to win. Also, as an example, Team A & B of equal ability etc, one wins the race, is made marginally slower, while Team B has a so-so race, and has the upper hand, next race is 24hrs and not only has Team B got speed advantage, but also gets double points making it quite a heavy penalty to win the pre-24hr race. Wouldnt be enough to intentionally have a bad race, but it'd certainly be nice going into that race knowing your at an advantage.

KY3 should stay, its an awesome track with a good mixture of everything (sadly a pathetic excuse for a chicane too). BL1 is LFS, but as a MoE venue its a little small.
FE2 would be nice, though FE4 might be better as FE2 would be no improvement on BL1 in terms of length & width, certainly be trickier with GT1 vs GT2 cars, Black would spread the field better and its shorter than AS5 & KY3 too iirc.

My main hope is that the idea of sticking with the LFS balancing of the GT1 class gets scrapped, it was never balanced to begin with, was far closer BEFORE they balanced it (Sprint and Endu), and no season should see the exact same car dominate the results or grid year after year. Its not true to real life, its certainly not fun to see, and the challange of adapting to whats best or sticking with what you know you can get 100% from should provide more entertaining racing, as well as varied strategies so the race unfolds over 6/12/24h not the first hour unless disconnects gets involved.
The current balance doesnt promote mixed grids (fzr/xrr/fxr) it promotes fzr and fxr if you cant drive the fzr (though what your doing in MoE if you cant drive the fzr is an entirely different matter), that needs to change.
So +∞ for effective balancing.

Quote from sermilan :

Please, get back on my previous post and read again on why I din't look at you and please go back to my 2nd previous post to read about "forum mess" and what created it.

Of course I watched the replay of the incident, you said it your self "pathetic, spend time watching the replay..." or something like that. For the RevengeR's youtube, please, again go back to my previous post.

The thing is you never gave me enough room for safely going through and yet threw all sorts of words at me as if I had Wembley of space but just decided to hit you.
You'll probably get away with "what HAD happen and not what WOULD'VE HAPPEN IF", but don't give me this "huge amount of space I gave you", when there was none.

EDIT: just sow your last post above

Please leave out the "brat, spoiled, not mature etc.", now you're becoming pathetic. You said that so many times now and yes we all learned what you think of me and there's no point of repeating it.

To be honest, what I was mostly pissed off was the radical change in decision and suddenly "if you want to report sermilan then we'll punish him. If you don't, than we want". What kind of judging is that?
If you think I am to blame for this incident and you obviously do - than make the bloody report and have me penalized! Don't be so fakely simphatetic for me. Please, do not protect me - just file the bloody report and make it simple. Why didn't you make the report in the first place? What kind of a racing incident it was when I was so obviously weaving on so much space you gracefuly gave to me and eventualy hit you? Make the bloody report.

Why didn't you leave me space enough for us to safely go through? Why were you aiming at the appex of that corner when you knew I was just beside you? Where did you expect me to go? Grass? Crash? Fly over? Were you expecting me to bounce of you and go on the grass and then in the fence? How long do you think we would have before the eventual crash if we hadn't crash where we have? But leave out "weaving, I crash you, pathetic, crybaby, whining, not mature etc..."

You know what sermilan, i made it perfectly clear with my initial post to the admins what my opinion was on this incident. I felt it was a racing accident, however they felt it was your fault.

BECAUSE i'd said IMO it was a racing incident and wasnt wreckless driving, they gave me the opportunity of doing the right thing, of not being vendictive and taking the appoach of penalising you for the mistake OR simply for the fact that you wanted me penalised for it.
I confirmed i felt no penalty was needed, it was racing, lets get on with that. So yet again your making false comments about what im saying or my intentions, simply because either you dont read or because your knowingly throwing in things i havent said to portray a false picture of what i have said, making you a manipulative liar. Hope for your sake you dont read!

Since finding out, you've been agressive with your comments, you've bereated the admin and questioned everything over and over despite having it all made very clear when they clarified it was a mistake on their part when it came to reporting the outcome.

You've seen evidence that shows you weaving around on the track, admitted you made no effort to check where i was (using an accurate method, not guesswork!) and your only excuse is what MIGHT have happened after you took us both out, and not what DID happen which caused the incident your moaning about.

So, seeing as you've given me the choice of requesting that penalty be reinstated, as ive already once asked you if you'd like me to request it if you want the original penalty putting back in place, i'll give you the one last chance....
You've been given the outcome of the incident report you submitted, it found YOU guilty of causing the incident. THEY made that decision.
If you wish to continue going on and on:

Then at the next post of you going on about this subject....
THEN THE ADMIN OF THE SERIES HAS MY EXPRESSED PERMISSION TO APPLY THE PENALTY THEY FELT WAS DESERVING OF THE ACTIONS TAKEN.

So its your choice, accept the decision the admins chose, which *I* felt wasnt necessary, or continue with this childish act, and have my full permission to penalise you for what they felt was fitting of your actions.

Your call sermilan.

Quote from sermilan :

Your 3rd one, told you you'd get there...

Im not bitching or moaning though, thats the difference here. Your acting like a spoilt brat who cant get what he wants, regardless of right or wrong.
I was (incorrectly, by clerical error) penalised 30sec for something i felt i wasnt to blame for.
You were informed of said clerical error, and the fact that i wasnt vindictive in demanding the penalty THEY found you were deserving of.

Now, take a look at my post when i first saw the penalty, and contrast that post to every single one of yours. I explained that i didnt understand what i'd done wrong, explained my side of what i felt occured.
You've yelled, moaned and been needlessly aggressive in the way you've gone about the whole thing.

Tell me how thats not the actions of a spoilt child used to getting what they want if they throw a tantrum.

Quote from sermilan :

I don't recall insulting you once in our argument

If theres one thing we've learned, asside from you being unable to drive in a straight line, its that you dont READ. I didnt say you'd insulted me, not once have i said that.

Quote from sermilan :

I'll tell you what I think you did wrong: watch the screenshot I've attached to this post, please. It's a moment just before we crash. Now, pay attention where your car is hedding, especially where your right side of the car is hedding and tell me: where are those light years of space you're claiming you gave me??????????? Do you really think we can both pass through there safely?

Okay, so you've taken ONE frame of an incident, but how exactly do you explain weaving around in the space i HAVE given you, and the fact that you've taken us both out before i've supposedly had chance to give you no room?? How do you explain the fact that not ONCE did you make any effort to look where i was, while i'd looked twice.
That video shows the incident clear as day, the admin of the series had made a decision, and despite being given the reason on numerous occasions, you've instead attacked the admins decision on multiple occasions now. Not once have you asked politely, you've yelled and thrown your toys out of the pram.

Quote from sermilan :

I never looked at you because I was already on the far right side of the track and "knowing your position" would not change much because I had almost no track left to part from you. But the sound of your engine was telling me you were close and I expected just a bit of room to pass there safely for both of us. Unforunately...

... I weaved and took us both out before the corner, hence the penalty?


I think you've been given your answer to this complain on numerous occasions, you've been unnecisarrily aggressive about the whole thing, and despite your own actions, despite the fact that the penalty was corrected in my favour and *I* was honest enough to just consider it a racing incident instead of looking to blame someone, not once have you attempted to calm down and talk politely about the incident, instead its yelling and repeating the exact same thing thats already been answered to you on multiple occasions.

Take a look at YOUR actions, in the car, and in this forum. There was no need for weaving, there was no need for yelling and kicking up a rotten fuss because you werent happy with their decision.

Quote from sermilan :

1. I really don't know how you could review the incident and miss such a crucial thing as who is to be given the penalty and who's not... If you'd found me guilty for this from the begining, none of this forum mess would've had happen. If I submit a report on somebody (or if anyone else submits a report), I expect it to be reviewed fully before making a decision. This... only creates mess, as you can see and I really find it at least not serious enough.

Maybe you should check again the other incident that I reported, maybe you would change your mind there, as well?

At points 2 and 3 I didn't mean what kind of penalties are given, but what rules exactly you apply to decide who is to be penalized...

At this particular issue, my point was "always leave enough room to the passing car" was not respected, that's why I decided to raise the report. The same point was for my second report.
In my opinion, lifting of the throttle pedal is out of the question for both reports (but different actors), since this is racing and not city driving.

What rule exactly you applied for this incident? Did you take in consideration "always leave enough room to the passing car" and will you take it in the future or not?

Have you actually watched the race replay, or the video a few posts back??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9tdf821ZrA
There was enough room for you, but when you decide you want to swerve all over the place, and then hit me because you've made ZERO effort to even look where i am, how the hell can you comment about leaving room when you had no situational awareness about where I was, and due to that you turn into me.
As ive said, maybe *IF* you'd let us get to the corner it could have turned out i hadnt left you room, but on the basis that we never got to the corner because you took us both out, your excuse is pretty far fetched.
However, if you pause that video at the time your about to turn into me, you can see where my path leads me, and how much room there is, and theres plenty of room.


Also, had you not gone off on a 3 post rant to yourself, and just read the message from the series admin explaining the situation, 'this forum mess' you describe wouldnt exist, and may i remind you only yesterday you were crying for public transparency so everyone can create the sort of 'forum mess' you've created.

Quote from ZanZi :

And tbh i gotta say sorry to Kart for that spin in race2... altho i wanted to do something like that in my mind but decided to play it cool. Im really sorry it didnt turned out like that mate all i wanted to do at that moment was to catch your draft as soon as possible and try to get the inside of the coming up right turn.

Quote from kart-36 :

well zanzi all i can say is... what a load of rubbish, on the replay you blatently spin me..

He's appologised for spinning you, and unlike every other incident ive seen where someone has caused another driver to crash, rather than f**king off into the distance like it never happened, at least he slowed right down and pulled over waiting for you.
You could easily have carried on racing if you wanted, you were pointing the right direction and in a split second you've spectated and despite knowing theres no talking opt for a tactful 'n\A.Stratiev - F*CK YOU'.

He's never denied spinning you, thats why he's appologised, it was an accident, there was never any need to be so abusive in the server, and nor is there any need for this attitude after someone appologises for it. You make out like he intentionally swung across to take you out, but why would someone slow and wait for you if they wanted to take you out??


Why does everyone have to take such aggressive attitudes and opinions of everyone who so much as touches them, theres FAR too many event newbies in this series, and while everyone has to learn somewhere they should also understand mistakes/accidents happen. They happen IRL in every race, and VERY RARELY do you see penalties being applied to drivers. Its racing, theres going to be racing incidents, you just have to accept them and hope for the best. Bitching about it and insulting people isnt going to turn back time.


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Cant say i'd noticed him irresponsably reversing into oncoming traffic without any care for other drivers. How anyone can defend that is beyond me, but for this one round, he's intentionally mislead the admin about how he finished the first race, has reversed into cars without any care or thought for others, and when someone accidently spins him spectates and gives abuse before leaving.
I can have sympathy for someone whos on the receiving end of a racing incident, but your attitude stinks! You've no care for anyone else's race when you take those actions, and as soon as someone makes an innocent mistake your abusive and refuse to accept an appology.
:thumbsdow

Last edited by PaulC2K, Wed 5 Aug 2009, 20:06.