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PaulC2K
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Shouldnt there be a confirmation list or something? Just saying who's applications you've received.
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Quote from tristancliffe :It was still the same manouveur though. Kimi realised he'd misjudged the grip, and reduced his braking as part of his defence - totally legal. He had the inside line and was also totally allowed to squeeze Hamilton prior to the second apex.

Since when was it acceptable to pretend that someone else isnt alongside you and just try and force them off the road? You seem to think that if your on the inside for a corner you have license to anything you want, 'Got the inside? then just ram them off! they have NO right to be on the outside even if they right along side you, what do they think this is? Racing??'
No wonder your pricing up the cost of driving into a wall, we dont need you to explain how it happened, your logic tells us plenty.

Perhaps people shouldnt even bother turning for corners if they have the inside?
Quote from tristancliffe :Let's pretend there is no run off area. Just armco. Had Hamilton kept it out of the armco and navigated the corner then he would have lost a lot of ground. He didn't - he cut the track and stayed close to the Ferrari.

IF there was a wall, which there ISNT, so its purely hypothetical (more hy-pathetic)... if this was at Monaco, then they probably wouldnt have gone side by side, but if they had then Kimi would have been penalised for running Lewis and himself into the barrier. But i guess your arguement doesnt care to consider your hypatheical situation being at a Monaco enclosed track, just like it doesnt like the idea of it actually being at Spa with no barrier.
If someone was there, and you just decide your going to turn into a section of track which the other car would be occupying at the same time, then your driving into them! The difference at Spa was the fact that Kimi knew that forcing him off the track would give him track position and despite the fact that Lewis had a right to be there and was equally alongside him, he'd lose it all.


Quote :Hamilton was alongside, and perhaps a nose ahead, but on the outside. Thus he has no rights to the racing line.
Hamilton had the inside line to the second apex, but because of the turn itself he was no longer ahead or even alongside, and thus had no rights to the racing line

Where in this racing rulebook does it say 'he who holds the inside is god, and has the right to do whatever they want'??
Are you suggesting that provided your on the inside you can do what the hell you want, that anyone else on the track has absolutely no right to be on the same section of track with them?
What about a late diver, gets a nose overlap, absolutely sod all right to be there, but he has the inside... is that acceptable?? what do you mean no? But he has the inside!! Ram them off, its acceptable if you have the inside!!

How you can comment on Hamilton fanboys, yet here you are making irrational statements purely because its Hamilton... amazing.

Quote from traxxion :He was the only one not to make a mistake in the closing damp laps though...

Im pretty sure plenty didnt make mistakes, however he had nothing to gain in pushing, he just crawled round, those who had something to lose had to take risks to hold onto, massa had nothing to lose. So the fact that he'd given up on the race already and settled for 3rd place meant he was more deserving of the win than Kimi, who'd fought for the lead, pushed and scrapped to retain it in the bad weather? If you say so, but certainly not im most peoples books


Someone also said something along the lines of "at the start of the corner he was 2-3 car lengths behind him, so he gained"!?! I beg to differ, the start of the corner is at 0 yards, not 100 or 200 odd, they were side by side, infact Lewis was ~75% ahead at one point till Kimi realised there was far more grip than he'd anticipated for. On the same backwards logic, cant we just use the start of the race? Lewis was ahead then, Kimi gained!!
PaulC2K
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Quote from Boris Lozac :Btw Paul, what version are you getting and do you know the differences beatwen them? I know that multiplayer is region free, as are the user created levels, but i think that official DLC will be region locked, that's a bit stupid, like "God of War" level will be locked only to USA version or USA PSN Store, i hope i'm wrong about that one, if you know any details feel free to post...

Well, at the moment i havent pre-ordered it, and with the US folks knowing where they need to pre-order it from so they can get a specific freebie, the only known freebie for EU is 'Nariko' from Play.com which i used to use when i had money to burn, but havent used for over 2yrs, although thats where i first pre-ordered GT5 about 2.5 years ago sounds like i've got a similar wait ahead too
Im not aware of any announcements for where Kratos will be found in EU, likewise the bag, stickerbook or game guide. Im not fussed about Heavenly Sword or GOW so the characters dont really mean much to me, however if they did a special edition with all the items, i'd probably buy that over the standard version.

Other than the Pre-Order goodie which is (region) exclusive to a specific store, im not aware of any other differences.

seems i didnt hit submit when i wrote this about 6hrs ago
PaulC2K
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Quote from Mazz4200 :I missed the live race so had to make do with the rather abbreviated highlights show on ITV, but did Rosberg get a drive through after he cut the chicane at the bus stop on the opening few laps ?

Nope, not that i recall.

Quote from Linsen :Not sure if the inboard has been posted, but here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70rXr2Mkq_M

For some reason it doesn't seem like Hamilton lifted to let Kimi by, he seems to accelerate 100% after cutting the chicane. However, Kimi still gets by. Either, Lewis didn't have the momentum or he deliberately accelerated more slowly than he could have. Not sure what to make of it, tbh.

Im not sure whether he lifts or if he keeps it floored, however one thing he does do which is clear of what his intentions are, is he ALLOWED Kimi to get past him, he didnt block and try and hold onto the lead after cutting.
So for anyone to suggest he's trying to gain by cutting, would be incorrect IMO, however i guess the issue is simply the fact that despite giving the position back he still was able to take it back straight away, but that was despite Kimi being allowed through cleanly, him having a 4mph (or was it kph?) speed avantage over the S/F line, and having the opportunity to defend the corner, instead he decided to wiggle his car around under Lewis's nose and leave the door wide open for the pass.

Lewis did nothing short of avoid an incident after being forced off the track, and accepting Kimi's invitation to the pass when the door was opened and Lewis thanked him for it.

I'd say its a tough call though, but whats frustraiting is that it seems that whenever its a debatable issue, Ferrari get let off with 50/50's however Mclaren always seem to be punished for them, and its happening time and time again.
PaulC2K
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yeah, it feels more like 2005 when the Killzone2 trailer first came along and the nay-sayers all said it was BS, impossible to do, and the real game would look nothing like that, but they proved that wrong.

Hmm, Wikipedia says it was E3 2005, so im not sure what the big 2006 thing was, i was certain there was 2 years between the CGI trailer and the 99% identical trailer done with real time game footage.

Seems like 2006's was pretty empty, nothing much other than final technical specs leading up to the launch, couple of other things like warhawk, resistance etc
E3 2006 Sony: http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/709/709973p1.html
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PaulC2K
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Killzone 2's CGI trailer was the big thing for E3 2006 IIRC, and it certainly wasnt that far back, and i also included a link which covers the actual Sony conference from the GDC'07 which covers the announcement. MM started up early 2006, so theres no way they could have made Rag Doll Kung Fu AND all they initially showed within 6-7 months.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Littlebigplanet
LittleBigPlanet (sometimes abbreviated to LBP; and developed under the working title The Next Big Thing) is an upcoming puzzle platformer and world creation video game for the PlayStation 3, first announced on 7 March 2007, by Phil Harrison at the 2007 Game Developers Conference in San Francisco, California.[5][6][7] It is being developed by Media Molecule, a British company founded in part by Rag Doll Kung Fu creator Mark Healey, will be published by Sony Computer Entertainment Europe and is due for release in October 2008. A public beta version of the game was previously scheduled for the summer of 2008,[8] but it was later announced that only private beta testing would take place, with the possibility of a publicly available demo before the full game is released[9]. However, in a later interview, Alex Evans, Co-Founder of Media Molecule, said that a beta would be released in September 2008 describing it as "a public beta, but limited at the same time." He goes on to say "We will disclose that info when we’re ready."[10]
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PaulC2K
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GDC 07 Sony announcements (incl Home & LBP)
http://www.gamasutra.com/gdc2007/index.php?id=13033
At his keynote at Game Developers Conference, 'Game 3.0', Sony executive Phil Harrison revealed the PlayStation 3-hosted Home virtual world, as well as a new game, LittleBigPlanet, from Rag Doll Kung Fu creator Media Molecule

GDC 07 Customization and Level Demonstration
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/17724.html
Thats the exact video i have in HD (720x405) in h264 format (so it plays on the PS3 directly) but im not sure where i got the link from in order to download it directly (194mb) but im pretty sure it wasnt from Game Trailers, despite the fact that it 100% IS their trailer.

okay, was off their site, heres the direct link:
http://www.gametrailers.com/do ... tomizeandleveldemo_gt.wmv
Same video as linked above this, just a downloadable HD version.

Well worth a watch. Im gonna look at the PAX walkthrough vids, see whats new
PaulC2K
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Quote from Migz :Are you sure you can acctually get a plank of wood and put wheels on it? When i watched the videos it seemed like you could only build worlds from pre created objects. So you wouldnt be able to just take a plank of wood and put wheels on it :/

You have materials, stickers, and mechanical objects (possibly another catagory, and possibly other 'labels' for the 3 ive mentioned) but these make up the content within the game, as well as some Media Molecule created items (like the skateboard in the GDC'07 vid).

Materials would be wood, and similar surfaces, which you would select a shape (rectangle, circle etc) and then you pick the scale, and then it exists in your world. You can cut sections out, and once your done you seem to 'release' it and it becomes real in your level, acting under normal physical forces.

Stickers are exactly that, ways to decorate items, there doesnt seem to be anything else to them. These are '3D', they will fold around items, the original GDC demo shows them applying comical eyes and mouth onto an orange and them rolling the orange around with this silly smiley face on it.

Mechanics are items like motors, pins, springs, hinges, and they create the more real items, if you have 2 peices of wood, put a pin through it, and then motorise it, the 2 peices of wood would rotate at the point where the pin runs through it. hinges & springs provide interation as you'd expect them to IRL i guess.
They've created some really bizarre 'monsters' which are done with really basic tools everyone will have access to, and the ideas get stranger and more creative all the time.
i'll dig some vids out which show these aspects properly, and i guess i'll check the vids in the first post too hehe
PaulC2K
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Boris, ignore the moaners, they just dont appreciate the same things others do, some love FPS after FPS and some dont, its just personal taste, although i also find it odd & irritating listerning to someone who finds watching one video really boring, then say they've watched a few, and each time insists its crap, but is really intent on doing little more than coming back to kick up a fuss & cause some controversy or something.

Im pretty sure it was first announced at GDC 2007, it certainly wasnt as far back as 2006.
The first time they demonstrated it to the gaming press they did a ~15min demo, the first half explained the basic concept of the game, the creation side of things and how the world & characters interact. Then they moved out of the stageing area of that which brought them to the level which they show in last link you give from GDC2007. They actually did a proper step-by-step walk-through, explaining and showing different aspects rather than rushing through it as you see there.
I cant remember where i got it from, but theres a HD version of this first video to download, i went in search of it a few months back with it being one of the better videos and (to my knowledge) the first showing and it has the full developer commentry and IMO best of all, you've got the press who are there watching who are audiable in the background, lapping it up, laughing and cheering the things being done. How many games can do that??

Since seeing that first video when it came out, i've geniunely believed it'll be the biggest console game of this generation, it'll be the game which takes the industry to the next level with its 'play, create, share' philosophy. There may be games which sell more or people consider better, but in terms of taking that next step into the online world, with user generated content which is easily accessable, i think it'll spark similar movement from other developers.
But i can understand people not being fussed about it, its all about what you want to get out of a game, what you find fun, and how you like spending your time.
Im desperately hoping the EU beta testers get to run ragged in the LBP world sometime before October, but its looking less likely as the days pass by, but it'll be a day 1 purchase for me thats for sure.

I'll have a dig round for the proper GDC07 video, its well worth a watch, especially if you already like the look of it
Might already know, but they used LBP in E3 2008 to make their traditionally boring part of the Sony conference mildly entertaining, having a sackboy go through a level with certain announcements of sale forecasts, minor announcements etc all done with LBP's simple physics triggers and whatnot. Far more interesting than the slideshow presentation MS & Nintendo have given the last 2 years when ive watched their conferences.
PaulC2K
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who am i?
Im someone who desperately seeks the approval of other people on the forum like you. Im someone who darent speak their mind just incase I offend someone pathetic who'll take offense at nothing. I just go around pretending to be everyones best friend. :shhh:
:vomit:

I would have said his idea was stupid when he first brought it up, I decided not to. He then asked for feedback, so i gave it, full and frank.

:lovies:
HUGS AND KISSES TO EVERYONE!!!!!
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PaulC2K
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oh DWB, your such a fuddy duddy

I love the fact that you use the reasons i stated, you just dont like the fact that i highlight how stupid it is, and how they dont feel the need to do equally stupid things in other sports, and people wouldnt dream of suggesting they did.
Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer from a stupid person, and they dont come much stupider than me.

I gave him the chance to let the idea disappear, asking for feedback wasnt a smart move, not when im on the prowl looking for someone to take the mickey out of, and it allowed me to get some sarcastic comments out of my system, the forum will be safe for a couple of hours, i'll divert all p*ss taking to pecker for the rest of the night

Just as well i removed the bit about contacting scawen to ask if they could make caravans so some of us could tow those round with us, or the rule that said at each pit-stop the drivers had to drink a pint of beer, or the lucky dip winner instead of us all wasting time racing for random results. See, i have my own wacky ideas for ruining the series, and i'd certainly expect others to call me an idiot if i was being serious about them, if they didnt i'd be very concerned

p.s. they were geniunely going to be in the previous posts, im geniunely trying, im just as good at being polite as i am at being quick
PaulC2K
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Fine, if you really want feedback, its a stupid idea.

I'd support it to a degree if every race was worth exactly the same amount, however someone will go into the 24hr race with a heavier car than everyone else, and will be at a significant disadvantage because the cost of finishing further back is far greater. You'd be supporting the idea that whoever went into that race is penalised, twice as much as any other round, for going into the race as the leading team.

If the success penalty introduced is going to influence results then it means the results dont accurately reflect the teams ability, it hinders it.
If it doesnt influence results, whats the point of having it then?
The damage of a lower finish than you deserve (due to weight) at most tracks isnt that much, but when the damage is doubled (24hr), finishing even 3rd purely because the weight slowed you down slightly means the same thing as finishing around 8th any other race, god help you if you have a bad day too.

Anyone that supports the possibility of finishing higher than you deserve to, purely because your competition is being slowed down to give you a chance, needs to make more of an effort to be faster, perhap then they can do well on merit, rather than because the faster teams are being made to drive with a hand tied behind their back.


This is MoE, last season went down to the wire, #Low needed to win by 8pts. Is that Dull? The fact that the 2 teams who'd driven consistantly well were the 2 teams fighting for the title, is that not how it should be? Should it really be a fight between the 2 teams who deserve it and another 2 who got help to keep up but deep down we all know werent the best teams?
What about previous seasons? IIRC the 06/07 season had 3 teams able to win in the last race and it could have gone to any team midway through that last race. Was there any lame system involved faking results, distorting the truth, or was it just the reality of 3 top teams being there on merit?

Maybe i missed something, but whatever happened to the idea of the fastest team winning the race? Call me old fashioned, but i thought that was the idea of racing?
Did Bolt win an olympic gold carrying a midget on his back in the 100m sprint? Did Phelps get an extra +5kg lead weight tied to him each time he picked up another gold medal to try and ensure someone else got one instead? Thats something i'd have paid to see, afterall, we cant have the fast people winning, its an outragious concept!!! I got it! They should just ban the fast people!!


No wonder they all sent it in PMs, they werent stupid enough to admit to it
I was quite happy to let your comments slide into obscurity, forgotten as they should be, but as your asking for comments.... thank you for letting me get that out of my system
PaulC2K
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Quote from Storm_Cloud :I could probably run around Aston for a couple of hours if it would help.

I don't understand the GT2 specs though - Ballast of 20% etc? Do you mean kg or is that an intake restriction?

Bit odd the terminology used, but its intake restriction.

I'd imagine there would be 2-3 Mercury guys doing this, and i gather Bawbag has already given some info on the XRR & FZR.
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Quote from deggis :How does it work in A1GP? In now obsolete Champ Car it was something like 60 seconds per race.

I think you get 7 (6-7) bursts which give you a little extra for say 5 seconds, so you have to pick and choose your battles, whereas the F1 system its a constantly regenerating source of turbo boost, however i dont know what sort of recharge rate your getting, otherwise it'll be more like an arcade game where half the time your letting it charge and the other half your turboing round the track.

I like the effort being put into finding ways to make overtaking possible, but it hasnt filled me with confidence that drivers wont cancel each other out. Ive only seen 3-4 A1GP races and they display when a driver is using their boost (as well as how many they have available to them) and more often than not when the attacking driver uses it the defending guy is too, and thats with a limited 'once its gone you dont get it back' system, not a 'wait Xmin and use it again' system which F1 seems to be implementing.
Its not a huge gain like you have in arcade games either, but provided they dont just cancel each other out every time someone boosts, maybe it'll improve the frequency of chances of overtaking, and when there are chances to overtake then theres at least something to see even if they cant pull it off, right now the drivers rarely need to drive defensively because the attacker cant get close enough unless its a slower car, if its on equal pace you rarely see chances come.
PaulC2K
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Quote from Dizzydarryn :Hi guys again, i decided to hijack my own thread instead of creating a new one. I've been racing offline and trying to save replays, but i cant because it keeps telling me that the replay wasnt recorded, even though i have set it to enable manual save in options... any ideas?

When i leave the pits, its says "not recording" on the top left of the screen.

You'd have to use 'auto save', which records everything in the session while your in it (inc pitting/spectating), but for some reason manual doesnt give you that same option. So sticking it to auto is the best bet for this, switch it back when your done or just keep deleting the mpr folder contents, 1hr is only around 20mb for a full server.

Quote from Dizzydarryn :One other thing, when viewing replays, is there a way to rewind etc... at the mo, i can only speed up replays, not skipping? I.E If i did a 10 lap race and wanted to watch lap 10, do i really have to fast forward all the way to lap 10?

Thanks

move your mouse to the bottom of the screen, should have a time-line slider which you can move back a little and it'll re-sync to that point. its better at moving forwards than backwards, but its still considerably better than reloading a replay and FFD'ing to a certain point
PaulC2K
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Quote from BurnOut69 :How the hell can you expect ANY track to have CHARACTER the first time its used?

Do you understand what the word character means?? Character, not History ffs
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Quote from BurnOut69 :All these people wanting to get rid of the track are really amusing, if overtakings were the deciding factor to choose tracks, 90% of the ones we have now wouldnt be there...

U seem to be getting your knickers in a twist, people are complaining about TWO aspects, crap venue, crap action.

We want venues like Monaco, Monza, Spa, Suzuka, Le Mans etc etc and instead we treated to Valencia! Its dull, lifeless and completely lacking any sole to the place, making it extremely dull to watch.
Even Daytona & Indianapolis, dull oval racing they may provide, but as venues they have character, they're not every shade of grey imaginable. We're talking about character, not overtaking opportunities, not challenge, CHARACTER.
I hate to say it, but i'd have more than welcomed advertising plastered all over the track, just to brighten it up, usually they ruin locations plastering big ads around, this venue it might have at least allowed your eyes to wonder to something interesting and destract you for a moment.

Ive walked the monaco F1 route and you cant not feel overwealmed by it all, the history of racing thats been there, the scenery, location, everything about it screams character. Its not the best place for good wheel to wheel racing, but its still a must visit location on the F1 calendar.

Surfers Paradise, Long Beach, Monaco, Macau... all true street tracks, and they all have character to them, they're not perminent race venues however the surroundings are, and Valencia felt like it was nothing more than a huge car park where they'd laid down some concrete barriers and made a track for people to come play on for the weekend. It had no heart or sole, it was just dead and lacking character which could have made it at least an attractive venue, and the lack of action just turned it into the worse race in F1 i can ever recall, and i sat through the 6 car US GP ffs!

They're talking about a 20 race calendar due to all the venues wanting to hold races, and yet if this is an example of whats to come, god help us all. This is supposed to be the elite series, and Valencia is far far from being an elite motor racing venue. It might be a lovely city, but its a crap venue for a race.
PaulC2K
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Quote from evilpimp :Over here the commentators talked to one of the Ferrari pit engineers or a member of the pit crew and he told them that the green light is operated by a human being. That means someone thought it would be smart to press the button and turn the green light on and that's gunna cost him some money. It is NOT automated and the guy made it clear because the commentators thought it was.

That was purely the interviewer being a n00b, they used 'automated' (as has been the term for it for a while it seems) which is basically wrong terminology for 'electronic' as thats all it is, theres nothing special about it in the slightest, its technology for the sake of it. I not sure anyone out there thought there was some computer making the decisions, and if they did then their commentators need their head sorting out.
It requires multiple guys to say their job is done, and thats when the driver floors it. They're not telling him to go, purely that their done and the driver *can* go, and from what i gather the only person who makes the call on whether its safe to go is the guy on the pit wall who has the override on it all, he could have held the button to stop it going green until it was safe, a job previously given to a lollypop guy.


I'd take exactly what that guy said with a pinch of salt though due to the language barrier, afterall, he did refer to the guy who got dragged to the floor by Kimi as 'she' in the middle of the interview
PaulC2K
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yeah, and you can edit your 'ignorance' crap out. Ive been watching F1 since before you were born, so just cos your a stupid little spaniard going against what everyone has said about the race, and the majority have said about the dull joke of a venue, doesnt make someone ignorant.

NEVER in the 19 years ive been watching F1, has the series been to such a pathetic venue. It wouldnt suprise me if we end up at some equally pathetic ones if theres money in it, but Valencia is a joke venue. Considering there are 2 F1 standard tracks in Spain, why the hell F1 went there ive no idea. If they had to go back to Spain, who 5 years ago you couldnt pay fickle folks like you to attend the races, then Jerez would have been a far better venue, and im sure theres a 3rd which is used over the winter (Jarama?), though it may be a Portuguese track (not Estoril).

As for the green light, as ive said... There are multiple buttons, my guess is the jack/trolly once the tyres are done, the fuel man, and a master button on the pit wall. I cant see as anyone else would need one, the trolly would put you onto amber once any work on the car was done (tyres, wing tweaks or repairs etc) and the fuel guys would take it to green i guess.


Also, when you consider that Bernie and co are constantly going on about all these places wanting to hold races, and they pick Valencia...
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Quote from samjh :He was just to the right of Massa. So the positioning was crap. In fact, he wasn't even looking at the track.

Ferrari is really not doing well this year - the pit crew that is, not the drivers.

I got the impression that there were multiple buttons, however the crew on the pit wall have a master button which can override things for such an occasion where the driver shouldnt have left his spot.

IMO, its a terrible device. We've seen plenty of incidents with lollypop guys, so its not like you can put the blame entirely on it, but you need someone with a bit of common sense not a set of lights.
No lollypop guy would have let massa go, and that for me is telling of the whole investigation. Massa didnt give way, he had no choice but to stop cos he was facing a concrete wall had he not, and blaming Sutil is nothing short of insulting.
Thing is, if you keep letting dangerous things slide which are punishable by the rules of the series, then where does it stop? If its acceptable to continue to break the rules and let cars go into traffic, then everyone will do the same, point to this and expect the Ferrari red carpet treatment. Then eventually an accident will happen, cars will block the pit lane, and maybe then they'll grow some balls and consider using the rules they created.
PaulC2K
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cos it wouldnt be quite the same if they made his pit crew take a stop go?
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Such a boring race on a infinately boring venue, i'm sticking with 'venue' cos its not a race track when it takes 30min for 10 blokes and a transit van to stick a couple concrete barriers up and paint a couple lines on the tarmac ffs.
Its a disgrace to F1 that such a venue has ever held a race, when you consider the history and places the series has been to, and then they take it to a great big car pack with a big swimming pool in the middle. Well done Valencia & F1, you made ovals appealing for 100min!!

Its also great to see a rule which exists for peoples safety in the pitlane ignored because he gained "no sporting advantage". So apparently safety isnt the issue then, its all about whether you gain from doing something against the rules. Perhaps they should change the rules to actually state the rule, or does that make things a little too black and white? A little grey area allows them some favouritism i guess
PaulC2K
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yup
The only hope is that the same n00bs keep coming back and improve their time and things become clearer in the list. The only other option would be for the restriction details of the car being displayed. Im sure that must be possible, and wouldnt require people putting GT2 in their screen name, it just needs additional messing within the code.
PaulC2K
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common sense should be enough of a judge

GT1 and GT2 times are going to have a good 8-10sec gap, so only terrible times would have you confused. Look for the people you recognise who are putting in laps in around 2:2x and you should be able to tell the difference between the fastest guys and the GT1 n00b who's 1sec faster, when 2-3 good drivers are all within 0.5sec of each other etc

hmmm, apparently after looking at the tracker, f*ck me theres lots of n00bs on there!
It wouldnt suprise me if the NGT guys are mixed in with GT1 folk it looks that bad.
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okay, thanks for the reply and clearing a few things up for me, hopefully people will still consider the XRR this season and prove my early conclusions to be wrong. I havent seen much of it in action since the recent update as people tend to focus on the FZR day to day and that progresses in setups but the XRR gets left behind, which is why i think it was dismissed by so many last year as an uncompetitive car for GT1, a lack of time spent building a conclusion on its effectiveness and instead opting for the familiar option because its instantly faster. Although having Bagbag, Jonesy and Rooble also helps


In GT2 at least most of us have last years setups to start with, get an idea of their pace to begin with, and spend some time working on the other 2 cars and see if they're any good now, rather than starting from scratch with all 3.
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