So to highlight the fact that ALL the questions you need answering in the 3 posts you'd made, have already been answered, you need answers to it all over again??
I held 1 line, and kept my car straight throughout that, continually looking to my right to see where you were.
You on the other hand were weaving all over the place, didnt look even once where i was and couldnt have known, and before we even got to the corner you'd turned into me taking me out.
So for all your whining, STFU and watch the incident, READ whats already been said before you start questioning things which are already answered, and then tell me what i did wrong, and how your weaving and turning into me causing us both to spin wasnt the cause of the incident.
Your only excuse is that HAD we got to the corner, apparently we wouldnt have had room!? Well, HAD you let us get to the corner, instead of spinning us both out, maybe that would have been true, but unfortunately you didnt let us get to the corner.
All this time i thought we were reviewed & punished on what HAD happened, not what MIGHT have happened.
As for the number of posts ive made, I made ONE asking for an explanation of what the penalty was for, i didnt moan or insult the admin in doing so. The 2nd, i only told you exactly what was already quite clearly available for you to read if you'd bothered reading before posting THREE pathetic whiney crybaby posts demanding the incorrect result of you taking someone out and getting away with it should stand.
So because i ask a question or answer one in a reasonable manner, means im moaning too, just because your throwing a tantrum like a toddler.
For someone whos moaning, its amazing how my moaning is mature enough to consider you wrecking me mid-race could be a racing incident and im willing to let it go, while you on the other hand appear to be hell-bent on blaming innocent parties and throwing a tantrum in the process.
For this very reason, i've rarely driven a lag lap with any effort to race, more often than not (esp if im near the back) i'll just move off the racing line out of the way and let everyone charge forward and i'll just tootle along at my own pace.
Its just not worth driving with such urgency, because if someone gets sent flying (which is easy enough in LFS) they get dumped at the back of the grid (can happen in non Airio servers too, if they havent joined quickly enough) then either they start at the back of the grid unfairly, or everyone else has to wait around while the grid is redone because people cant do a lag lap without taking it easy. Its a shame peoples races get ruined by something this silly tbh.
3 posts all moaning about the same thing? Very mature.
1,2 & 3) Read the posts which already answer the question. He never intended to give ME the penalty, it was a mistake, YOU were the one who should have been penalised, he NEVER changed his mind, only corrected a mistake in the published outcome of the incident.
I'd imagine the penalty was for having enough room for the corner, and then deciding to turn into the other driver sending him spinning off the track just before the corner itself. And again, it was YOU, never me.
I've made it very clear that i felt it was a racing incident, even though it cost me considerably more time and places than it did to you, nor did i get an appology for being taken off. If you wish for the ORIGINAL (not incorrect) decision, 30sec added onto YOUR time, then im more than happy to go with the admins original decision at your insistance.
Let me know your choice, i'll be only too happy to oblige, particularly after agreeing to drop YOUR penalty, for a incident YOU caused, which YOU reported, and YOU have since started crying about because its outcome was incorrectly published. I have very little sympathy for you now, clearly your just looking to blame anyone and everything, despite making irratic driving mistakes which ruin other peoples races while having very little impact on your own and show no remorse or even a care in the world.
yeah, laptimes are crazy. The races should be a completely different kettle of fish though, wont be any warm rear tyres in those races so it'll be interesting to see how those folk get on with cold rears (likewise for folk like me who couldnt even get a stunning lap WITH warm tyres! 
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Good to see kart-36 got his wheel up & running again, its one thing losing out due to a crash, but not even being able to start due to hardware issues is a real downer so glad to see thats sorted
).Good to see kart-36 got his wheel up & running again, its one thing losing out due to a crash, but not even being able to start due to hardware issues is a real downer so glad to see thats sorted
np, as i said it was a racing incident, you just have to accept those sort of things sometimes. It wasnt wreckless or careless driving, we both could have helped avoid the incident and while i believe we could have got through their fine if he'd kept a straight path, there wasnt anything intentional or stupid from it.
Seeing as ive only just seen this, and theres no effort to contact people who were involved for them to have their say or any announcement of the penalties on here...
Why was i given a 30-sec penalty for "crash with sermilan" when he clearly had room and started weaving/wobbling around and ultimately turns left into me for a right kink corner, of which not once did he make any effort to look where i was to see if there was room to weave about in. I made it clear i was protecting the inside line for the corner,left him plenty of room, yet he drove irratically and made no attempt to check where i was, turned into me just before the apex of the corner and spun both of us, causing me to go from 12th down to pretty much last through , and *I* was the one who lost time and 6+ places, and despite that i was only 8sec behind him same place the following lap.
I didnt cry about it, despite the fact that i'd taken the corner perfectly cleanly and given him ample room to go through the section, i just accepted it as a racing incident and left it at that. Instead he takes ME out, moans about losing a smidgin on time, and yet I get a 30sec penalty? Someone needs to grow a pair, and accept THEIR part in the incident, rather than instantly look for someone else to blame.
Absolutely pathetic, and spending some time to study the incident would prove that, and would result in a completely different outcome.
Why was i given a 30-sec penalty for "crash with sermilan" when he clearly had room and started weaving/wobbling around and ultimately turns left into me for a right kink corner, of which not once did he make any effort to look where i was to see if there was room to weave about in. I made it clear i was protecting the inside line for the corner,left him plenty of room, yet he drove irratically and made no attempt to check where i was, turned into me just before the apex of the corner and spun both of us, causing me to go from 12th down to pretty much last through , and *I* was the one who lost time and 6+ places, and despite that i was only 8sec behind him same place the following lap.
I didnt cry about it, despite the fact that i'd taken the corner perfectly cleanly and given him ample room to go through the section, i just accepted it as a racing incident and left it at that. Instead he takes ME out, moans about losing a smidgin on time, and yet I get a 30sec penalty? Someone needs to grow a pair, and accept THEIR part in the incident, rather than instantly look for someone else to blame.
Absolutely pathetic, and spending some time to study the incident would prove that, and would result in a completely different outcome.
@Track - KY2R is good fun and has good passing spots and wide enough racing line for 2 people to go side by side for almost a lap (ive done 2/3 in a unrestricted UFR). BL1R is definately more challenging, also a little more likely to have incidents.
For that reason, season finale, double points... IMO KY2R makes a better venue. I wouldnt say no to BL1R being added before the finale though
As for the incident being discussed...
Nobody is guilty, its a racing accident. Its that simple.
Just because there is an incident, and people get screwed doesnt mean that someone has to be selected as the bad guy who caused it to happen.
It was 3 people going into a corner, each knowing what they were doing, and knowing what could happen. Anyone who didnt want to be involved in that had ample opportunity to back out.
Sometimes backing out can be no better than sticking in there, not only do you lose places but you also put yourself (and potentially others) at risk of whats going on behind and there might not be somewhere for you to nicely slot into, particularly on an opening lap when the field is very compressed and these smaller & slower cars drive round in swarms.
Honestly, at the time i knew i hadnt done anything i shouldnt be doing, didnt think anyone else did anything they shouldnt, and having seen the replays theres bumping as the need to turn into the corner arrises, but theres nothing wrong with what happened, the outcome was the only problem.
From my position, if i could re-live that corner, i'd still hold my position, and i'd expect everyone else to do the same in those circumstances. I'd do the same if i was on my left (Razgriz), but from experience at this corner, and racing in general, being on the outside when theres a squeeze can be a bad place. I dunno if i'd have backed off if i was on the outside/right, i'd like to think i would play a waiting game as im not one for taking gambles, but in my completely honest opinion, everyone went in knowing the situation and nobody did anything stupid, dangerous, or outside the spirit of fair racing. But everyone is entitled to ask for the incident be reviewed, theres no malice in the incident report being submitted, that was clear after the race.
For that reason, season finale, double points... IMO KY2R makes a better venue. I wouldnt say no to BL1R being added before the finale though
As for the incident being discussed...
Nobody is guilty, its a racing accident. Its that simple.
Just because there is an incident, and people get screwed doesnt mean that someone has to be selected as the bad guy who caused it to happen.
It was 3 people going into a corner, each knowing what they were doing, and knowing what could happen. Anyone who didnt want to be involved in that had ample opportunity to back out.
Sometimes backing out can be no better than sticking in there, not only do you lose places but you also put yourself (and potentially others) at risk of whats going on behind and there might not be somewhere for you to nicely slot into, particularly on an opening lap when the field is very compressed and these smaller & slower cars drive round in swarms.
Honestly, at the time i knew i hadnt done anything i shouldnt be doing, didnt think anyone else did anything they shouldnt, and having seen the replays theres bumping as the need to turn into the corner arrises, but theres nothing wrong with what happened, the outcome was the only problem.
From my position, if i could re-live that corner, i'd still hold my position, and i'd expect everyone else to do the same in those circumstances. I'd do the same if i was on my left (Razgriz), but from experience at this corner, and racing in general, being on the outside when theres a squeeze can be a bad place. I dunno if i'd have backed off if i was on the outside/right, i'd like to think i would play a waiting game as im not one for taking gambles, but in my completely honest opinion, everyone went in knowing the situation and nobody did anything stupid, dangerous, or outside the spirit of fair racing. But everyone is entitled to ask for the incident be reviewed, theres no malice in the incident report being submitted, that was clear after the race.
tbh, the vast majority of the race schedule & rules is rather stupid and completely boring to watch and no doubt take part in too.
40min qual sessions with 6 people getting to do 3 flying laps, while the rest get 2 laps and a lot of thumb twiddling.
No chatting allowed, while admins start making silly posts themselves "Car 00 pit at the end of the lap"...
.Rolling starts on open invite events always end up messy, they're hardly free from issue in events like MoE & IGTC, and yet its expected that everything will run smoothly with complete novices.
Penalising people for driving over a couple of empty pitlane boxes in an otherwise empty pitlane... seriously?!
Who actually benefits from these sort of rules? Cos surely racers dont, viewers dont... its just a silly rule (amongst many) which does nothing to enhance the racing, but happily ruins races for people. If thats the intention of the rules, then they've done their job.
On a couple of occasions people felt the need to ask stupid questions about what to do because of stupid rules that exist (mainly due to the insistance that people drive back to the pit for no reason at all).
1-off races should be about having fun, clean, and fair racing, and i fail to see how some of the structure creates that. 40min of qualifying, so 6 people get 3 flying laps, the rest get 2 and a lot of sitting around twiddling thumbs... 40min for qual with upto 3 flying laps, to do a 55min 20 lap race
What ever happened to the idea of having fun in a fun event? Theres nothing wrong with decent rules, but plenty of them in this event have a distinct lack of 'fun' spirit to them IMO.You may well smerk, but it was a complete coincidence, dwb (iirc) told me so. They never knew that it was the logo use by the NHL Ice Hockey team Nashville Preditors, they (CoRe) were a team based exclusively in North America, and so its quite understandable that not one of them had noticed the logo was used by an well known hockey team playing in their countries.
Its VERY hard to design a skin which doesnt include something which is influenced by something else, we had this same trouble when redesigning the 2008 Mercury skin in 07, and we almost made the exact same mistake:
http://www.mercuryracingteam.com/FZR_Merc_prelim.jpg
I was astonished to learn this was actually a logo used on a small UK based football team, which is easy to miss, even as a season ticket holder of said football team.
Its so easy to miss these things!!
LFS-licence ID: PaulC2K
Real Name: Paul Chapman
Starting Number (between 02-99) :7
Country (Using ISO 3166-1 alpha-3 standard): GBR
Team Affiliation: Flibble Flobble Racing
Real Name: Paul Chapman
Starting Number (between 02-99) :7
Country (Using ISO 3166-1 alpha-3 standard): GBR
Team Affiliation: Flibble Flobble Racing
Pecker was a AE nut, i always liked the Xrays.
Was at the Worlds (only as a spectator) in Italy in 06 and managed a few sneaky photos of the TC5 during its development, i miss doing it all, just dont miss getting up at 6am to travel 2hrs to somewhere cold & miserable for just 25min racing, nor do i miss paying for it all to be reasonably competative.
I still have the vast majority of my stuff too, its too expensive to sell for a fraction of what you paid for it only to decide to get back into it all again, and its all now so out of date its as good as worthless anyway. They're like computers, if its not current, its considered worthless.
Was at the Worlds (only as a spectator) in Italy in 06 and managed a few sneaky photos of the TC5 during its development, i miss doing it all, just dont miss getting up at 6am to travel 2hrs to somewhere cold & miserable for just 25min racing, nor do i miss paying for it all to be reasonably competative.
I still have the vast majority of my stuff too, its too expensive to sell for a fraction of what you paid for it only to decide to get back into it all again, and its all now so out of date its as good as worthless anyway. They're like computers, if its not current, its considered worthless.
none of the above 
TC3 & 4 over the years anyway. We both gave it all up at the end of 2005
TC3 & 4 over the years anyway. We both gave it all up at the end of 2005
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Am i on the right forum?
Rarely are my opinions considered accurate, this is surely a ploy to stop me posting more long posts. Im onto you both!
Yup, we (Mercury) were pretty confident the XRR was the better car that year and thought we'd see a decent mix of them in there, but it was only CoRe and spdo, and they werent as strong as they both are today (just above mid-pack, around 6th-8th area iirc) and all the top teams were running FZR (#low, Cyber, n!, F1rst, SK etc) and we were lucky in a couple of races, the biggest concern was that on tracks like WE1 it would be pretty easy, and assuming we won the best FZR team would be 1 place behind us (2nd). Compare to SO4 where the FZR would dominate, and you'd have 5 highly competitive FZRs ahead of you, so you'd have trouble breaking into the top 5. That could so easily have destroyed our chances, so it was very risky too, but the fact of the matter is that we took that risk, unlike all the other top teams, and it paid of for us in the end.
There isnt any of that in LFS these days, not in the GTR class, its a grid full of FZRs and far less interesting races unfolding as a result of it all.
We spent a lot of time figuring out which we felt would make us the most competitive, and i dunno whether everyone else just assumed the FZR was the fastest because they didnt put enough time into getting quick in the XRR, or if they just insisted on using the FZR because of familiarity and assumption it was the best car.
However, 1 example does not prove the matter nonsense, the FZR has been dominating LFS since S2 came along really. You imply that the XRR is somehow equal, it just needs decent drivers in it, so how about from September onwards my3id run the XRR in MoE?
I'll give each of your main drivers £10 to drive the XRR next season, provided no patch tweaks the perfectly balanced class we supposedly have today.
Or just perhaps you'll be in the FZR, because quite simply nothing else is even remotely competitive, and thats why 90% of the MoE GT1 grid, as well as many other stock GTR series, are filled with FZRs.
Anyway, saving 2-3sec on fuel refill is clutching at straws, likewise is using Duck as a yardstick for what the XRR can do, so unless your going to let me compare that to what Bawbag could do in the FZR, its all rather pointless and equally bias way of trying to deflect from the issue just like bringing up 1 rare example of how the XRR was competitive at a time when the balance was much closer than it is today.
Regardless, you'd be pretty pathetic to even attempt to say the FZR is balanced by LFS, and to a much lesser extent, in this series. Doesnt bother me that its slightly quicker in this series, i picked the XRR as the car i feel i'd do best in, but it is extremely boring seeing the FZR win 99% of the time, and it makes no attempt to favour people who step out of their comfort zone and try to adapt to a different car than they always drive in order to be truely competitive, and thats whats so boring. You kinda know you have to drive an FZR to be in with a chance, and while everyone has the option, the real option is competitive or uncompetitive, which do you prefer.
yeah i agree with what your saying, and i think when it comes to having a series which modifies the performance of all the cars then theres little arguement for not changing which car is the best overall. Not so its a whitewash, but just like in real life, one season 1 specific manufacturer will dominate, next season could be completely different.
Ignoring the current season of F1 thanks to the stupid rule changes, BMW have come to the front, Renault & Williams have dropped back a bit. Things change over time, so i dont see the harm in putting that into LFS ourselves. GT1 is a little harder, but at the same time there surely isnt a single team that spends hours tuning their teams setup before a race in MoE etc. If they had 1% restriction (as an example) the teams would figure it into the setup they created for the round anyway, just like everything else they'd tweak.
As for the current balance, i cant side with the people complaining about it. If you INSIST on driving a specific car, like 90% of this community seems to do, then its tough luck if the car you pick is slow, nobody forced that car on you, all 3 cars were offered to all of us and we picked the one we wanted. I dont particularly like RWD cars full-stop, hate them, but i'll be driving the XRR because i think its the car i can do best in, both in terms of being able to drive it comfortably and quickly. Everyone else has that option too, but as i mentioned before, too many people insist on driving the same car over and over, usually its a lazyness and unwillingness to adapt and learn something new. What winds me up is that the lazy FZR people are supported with LFS's pathetic balancing since xmas 07 which made the FZR untouchable in 99% of situations (the 1% being the tiny window where the FZR would have to pit while the others dont, which never actually happens).
Ignoring the current season of F1 thanks to the stupid rule changes, BMW have come to the front, Renault & Williams have dropped back a bit. Things change over time, so i dont see the harm in putting that into LFS ourselves. GT1 is a little harder, but at the same time there surely isnt a single team that spends hours tuning their teams setup before a race in MoE etc. If they had 1% restriction (as an example) the teams would figure it into the setup they created for the round anyway, just like everything else they'd tweak.
As for the current balance, i cant side with the people complaining about it. If you INSIST on driving a specific car, like 90% of this community seems to do, then its tough luck if the car you pick is slow, nobody forced that car on you, all 3 cars were offered to all of us and we picked the one we wanted. I dont particularly like RWD cars full-stop, hate them, but i'll be driving the XRR because i think its the car i can do best in, both in terms of being able to drive it comfortably and quickly. Everyone else has that option too, but as i mentioned before, too many people insist on driving the same car over and over, usually its a lazyness and unwillingness to adapt and learn something new. What winds me up is that the lazy FZR people are supported with LFS's pathetic balancing since xmas 07 which made the FZR untouchable in 99% of situations (the 1% being the tiny window where the FZR would have to pit while the others dont, which never actually happens).
Server has me down as FZR from a week ago, needs modifying whenever you get the chance. I'll lap with ballast for now though.
Mercury (as in our team) was named primarilly after the roman god of speed, but your kinda right as we also used the Hg symbol on our cars for quite a while (since sept 07 iirc) which i think >95% of people probably wouldnt have got which was quite fun
Really?
Pecker can either be his stupid wibble wobble racing or whatever the heck it is, or he be Jupiter/Saturn or something.
Well, apparently we have to have a team name, as the rules state.
We used to be in Mercury, closest planet to the sun, now 'cos we have to make up a name we're being the furthest planet from the sun cos were wimps and hide away from the summer heat.
Carries the ancient mythology like Mercury did (Roman God of Speed) which something like Uranus doesnt (as childishly humourous as it would be) and we can have a 3 pronged trident instead of the wings symbol
Nothing more to it than that, its a name which has symilarities to Mercury without being Mercury
We used to be in Mercury, closest planet to the sun, now 'cos we have to make up a name we're being the furthest planet from the sun cos were wimps and hide away from the summer heat.
Carries the ancient mythology like Mercury did (Roman God of Speed) which something like Uranus doesnt (as childishly humourous as it would be) and we can have a 3 pronged trident instead of the wings symbol
Nothing more to it than that, its a name which has symilarities to Mercury without being Mercury
Real Name(s): Paul Chapman
LFS Username(s) : PaulC2K
Team Name: Neptune Racing
Number: 7
Car (FXR-GT2, XRR-GT2 or FZR-GT2): XRR-GT2
LFS Username(s) : PaulC2K
Team Name: Neptune Racing
Number: 7
Car (FXR-GT2, XRR-GT2 or FZR-GT2): XRR-GT2
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right, im modifying his skin on lfsw so it says "im a little whore"
hmm, although i only uploaded a small vers (600x450) compared to the full one pecker uploaded which is 1920x1200
hmm, although i only uploaded a small vers (600x450) compared to the full one pecker uploaded which is 1920x1200
cos pecker is a grade A whore, and already posted 2sec after sending him the files, i guess im left with posting just the render
I also made a quick number plate, based on one of the iCON logos and figured it'd look good as a plate and anyone else who wants to use it can too.
Incidently, i have it in psd for modification if any of the iCON guys want to use it for other things, needs some modifying cos it seems i changed the size and then saved it this morning so its not as sharp as it should have been.
I also made a quick number plate, based on one of the iCON logos and figured it'd look good as a plate and anyone else who wants to use it can too.
Incidently, i have it in psd for modification if any of the iCON guys want to use it for other things, needs some modifying cos it seems i changed the size and then saved it this morning so its not as sharp as it should have been.
ok nevermind, quite fancied KY3(R) as its a great combo for the GTR class in either direction.
GL everyone
GL everyone
really?
Is it because he did a couple of MoE races last year? I was under the impression it was a league for people who werent already competing in MoE or IGTC rather than having ever done a race, cos ive done 2 races in MoE myself back in 2007 only the 12 & 24hr races where we have 6 people in the GT1 team and needed the same for GT2 so i was asked.
The daft thing is, if we cant compete in GTAL because pecker was the teams 7th choice driver (was used as part of the GT2 team, and he only did those because we'd hoped our other drivers might be interested next round, so kept on going in hope of getting more interest rather than pull out then not be able to drive when people wanted to etc) and I cant because i was something like 11/12th choice as frankly the slowest & least talented person in mercury by some distance, how can we hope to get into something like IGTC if the step below doesnt accept us because we've done races in it already. It'll mean nothing to IGTC & MoE that we have a couple of races experience (esp with my name on the list :razz
and yet it stops us competing in GTAL when the others probably wouldnt consider us because were not a fast enough team.Does it help if i pretend im the grandson of Colin and we race under 'Lotus'? Might get sued like the Brabham name stealing team mind you
At least it saves me about 20hrs practice for the remaining combos, takes me too long to get beyond okay pace to a pretty competitive one. I started practicing AS5 for MoE 3 months before the race, put in about 20hrs before the others started practicing and within a couple of stints they were a second or so faster and i think i almost got within a second of them just before the race but it wasnt as consistant as they were.
I really dont care for console FPS, but Killzone had to be purchased, if that had come out on the PC then without doubt i'd have gone with that, but its a brilliant game. Havent been online with the full game, took part in the beta and its good, im more interested in the story mode myself. BF2/2142 is the only FPS ive gone online with.
As for GT5 cars flipping, i have to say i doubt it, its probably asking a little too much really. Unless its an entirely new approach, and they actually have a real world physics engine in place, i suspect it'll be canned physics and flipping the car wont be something they'll have pre-programmed into the game as an action.
I cant say it'll bother me at all, there or not its never stopped me buying it in the past and when all the other alternatives are so horrificly arcady and cheesy its unlikely i'll be moving away anytime soon anyway.
for the record, you figured it out about 5min earlier than Pecker did when i jokingly suggested the name.
I want Neptune Racing now
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