Isnt that exactly what the master server is balancing by? (thats a geniune question) if its not, what the heck is it balancing it by, sadly its not balanced by anything which succeeds in making it balanced. Wouldnt you agree?
I certainly dont disagree on enforcing the closeness if that is the aim of this series, which is why i dont understand why its not so important for the GT1 to be done in a similar manner. Should we ever really accept master server values for anything when we can chose actually balanced ones? We lose that closeness by accepting something which isnt offering that, at least thats the impression ive got from things so far.
Why settle for less? If its worth spending time to get the balance of things right in GT2, the secondary class, surely the GT1 is deserving of the same at least.
Sure, but im only going on the exact reason it was rejected last season.
NGT or whatever its labeled as, was the more popular option, but was rejected on the basis that it wasnt really viable due to the significant speed differences.
"Even though the move to a two-classed field before the start of the season was much debated, the organizers are very happy with how the racing turned out."
We had a situation last season where our GT2 car was taken out because an extremely experienced GT1 team because they wouldnt wait 1 corner to make a pass, and decided to try and squeeze through the tiniest of gaps between 2 GT2 cars on a corner where the car is close to its limits. What will it be like when the corner speeds arent almost identical, and instead its a lot slower in corners? You knew this last season, which was why we ignored the confusion of identical cars with different powers and no visable markings to identify them (instead teams resorting to doing it themselves) and despite the obvious solution of going with a carbon copy of LFS GT and everyone enjoying the summer instead you picked the sensible (and successful) option of what we went with... and we *may* throw that out the window if its not perfect? (GT1 certainly isnt, but theres no threats of TBOs for them). I'll leave you to consider why comparing 911's to a FWD NGT is all a bit silly, unless they're in reverse?
Last season we won the GT1 class, stepping out of the comfort zone of the FZR which 90% of teams ran, and explored what was best for us, and exploited its advantages.
If we have to be boring in our attempt to defend our title in GT1 in the same car as those trying to take it of us, thats fair enough, ultimately we'll always run whatever we're fastest in. Last season we managed to win races with a car many saw as an underdog, (we expected at least 1 other big team to follow into xrr) but this season it seems theres no choice, no options on what you wanted to drive to be competitive, but if everyone is in the same car it creates equality, so on that respect at least the decision doesnt ruin things for everyone, it just means your forced to run 1 car in you want your results to match the work involved (ie not doing a perfect drive but it only being good enough for 4th cos its an uncompetitive car).
If thats the route were going down, or its something simply not up for discussion, then so be it i'll leave it at that, i've said my peice on the matter. It'd be a shame to lose mixed car racing and go back to near 1-car grids again and losing that aspect of racing which i personally found interesting. It just seemed to be an element of lazyness by accepting GT1 yet an enthusiasm for fixing GT2 and i couldnt understand it. I know now the reason behind not changing GT1 is due to the master server, it still doesnt seem right while the GT2 gets fixed the GT1 stays 'broke'. Clearly the attitude isnt 'sod it, we cant be arsed' otherwise we wouldnt be looking at the GT2 situation so that aspect is certainly pleasing, im just a little mystified why the same approach isnt taken for the exact same reasons, where the GT1 class is concerned.
Eitherway im eager to do some GT2 laps, still undecided which i prefer as the XRR was plenty for me to cope with (FWD FTW!!
), FXR should never really be a race winning car, and FZR seems fastest but its a handful and goes through fuel & tyres.last Q, purely out of curiosity, (and assuming we stick to GT1 MS values) if there is a global change of similar proportion to the one experienced last season, what then? Do we ignore balancing questions because they were never really balanced to begin with, or re-unbalance it back in the bias favour of the FZR? Again, a geniune question, and something i think needs to be considered and planned against.
Im not trying to be a c*nt (whether it seems im acheiving that or not, i'll leave that to your own enterpretation, but its said in the interest of the series), I just feel half pleased and half disappointed from what im reading. Pleased the GT2 class will be worked on to get a good balance, and appreciative of the work people will put into achieving that. Yet disappointed the same effort might not be afforded to the GT1 for the very same reasons we want to work on the GT2 class, the interest of entertaining and close/fair racing (without all being in the same car to acheive that). Maybe this is the easier option, it saves arguements, but we're risking that with the GT2s in the hope of gaining from it in the end instead of stat balancing and leaving people with little option but the 1 car if they want to be competitive, mirroring the GT1 class.
I respect your decision, im just wondering how you came to them, offering a differing view, and hopefully i'll arrive at the same conclusion your already at, if not then fair enough its a difference of opinion, its definately not something which ruins things, i just feel it loses a little of its magic we got back in the series last season, yet it'll still be the same top quality racing, and the biggest series on the LFS calendar.
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- Team name: Mercury Retard Team
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Was i talking to you??
Im trying to explain why its better to be straight with people, rather than letting people make avoidable mistakes which impact other peoples races, theres no arguements.
IIRC he did it on the 1 machine/account, but 2 drivers.
So your agreeing that he's not ready, but as long as he doesnt ruin races for the fast folks its ok?
I know your not saying sod the little people they're not important, but its kinda what would happen if he raced. Infact thats probably wrong as tbh i doubt he'd do more than 3hrs before giving up, he'd do an hour, wreck the car a few times, get frustraited and decide he's got other things he'd rather do than drive round and round for 16hrs.What i'd rather see is someone who wants to race actually fully appreciate what is involved, think about the situation of what he has to do for himself and for the other people involved, and that goes for n00bs and pr0s alike.
Its a sensible peice of advice for ANYONE which will ensure that they dont ruin other peoples races because they underestimate the difficulty of racing with constantly deteriorating focus, especially if moral gets low after a mistake or 2 and they just decide to give up, when had they properly thought about it they could have done it with a couple of others and been there for each other and got through it all and got something from it.
IMO its better to be straight with people, and let the people who want to compete do so in a way thats managable to them, rather than just play pretend and kid people into thinking its a peice of cake and despite the lack of experience at any 1 combo or LFS in general, they'll cope with the demands of driving at any safe rate after a couple of hours of going round and round.
If he really wants to drive 15 of 16hrs on his own, as opposed to finding a couple of other like-minded individuals who'd love to take part in something like this doing say 2hr stints with 2 other people and working together to be prepared and upto speed for the event, then theres nothing to stop him trying to sign up, but IMO its better that people warn him of whats involved than play nice and allow them to mislead themself into thinking its sensible.
If someone who'd just started cycling to work each day said they wanted to do the tour de france, you wouldnt argue that Lance Armstrong etc has done it so why not, you'd suggest they actually think about what they're saying and whats involved rather than let them turn up at the first stage, get to the first hill and think f*ck me this isnt as easy as it seems and give up because they're expectations were nothing like the reality of it.
It seems to me too many people are concerned about possibly upsetting others with the truth, or worse, being seen to be mr meanie by highlighting that reality, rather than trying to help them acheive what they're aiming for and just play along and allow them to mislead themselves. Surely its better to help them than play along and let them ruin things for themselves and others as a result of what's fairly obvious.
Looking at your stats, you've only spent more than 1hr in 1 combo, none are particularly impressive to say the least, and your saying your going to sit through 16 hours straight, 10pm saturday to 4pm sunday (i think), all by yourself?
oh, and its so important you want to park the car while you go off and play track bloody mania?? heavens above.
Its hard work sitting and staying completely focused on racing for 1hr, let alone 16hr straight. You may have raced on LFS in public servers for a few hours, but without the breaks in between to take a moment for yourself, its completely different. You might not be fussed about being the fastest and your lap time dropping as each hour passes, but the people your bumping into and the mistakes you make on the track due to fatigue will only piss people off.
Your not capable of it, i bet that at most 0.01% of LFS folks are, and your definately not one of them. Try it sometime, 2hrs in any car you like, without making silly mistakes and keeping the lap-times fairly stable.
Register on the series forum, and look on there for teams who are in need of drivers to help, and maybe if your serious about doing the race you'll get some practice in and people would consider using you, but your in serious denial if you think you can do a 16hr race all by yourself without seriously being a risk to everyone else involved in that server, and the fact that you cant even be there for all 16hrs shows your not really committed to it, let alone ready or able. You'd have to admit it's rather selfish to want to compete on your own regardless of how it'd be for others in the server with you, and whether you quite realise that or not, its what your asking for, and that opinion goes for anyone, n00bs and pro's alike. This is an ideal race to get some endurance experience, but 1-man teams would be crazy and i'd guarantee you'd either get bored or DSQ/banned within about 4-6hrs, but i highly doubt you'd get in as a 1 man team to begin with because of the reasons ive mentioned. As i said, if you want to take part find 2-3 others to drive with, anything less with your experience is a little stupid & kinda selfish IMO.
Depends which gay ass tag is in your name
Theres no obligation to any team really, if you were a decent driver then you may be required for the odd event, but really if you cant do it or dont want to, theres little anyone can do, trust me ive tried many a time
What teams do want is active members, not people who come and go as they please and might not be seen for weeks on end. We have our fair share of inactive drivers, members who a few years back you'd race with day in day out, all of them go back 4-5 years of LFS and just moved on due to real life commitments, or just move continent (Canada to Dubai). They're like family now, but you'd have to be pretty stupid to ask someone to be part of something if you werent going to see much from them, and they were flakey when it came to LFS. Either that, or you'd have to be one hell of a driver, lets put it that way
Plenty will take you without giving a damn about basic things, those teams start on Monday, close on Tuesday, and on Thursday its back with a new name looking for new drivers for another "new up and coming team"
So will teams make demands of you being available, not likely, but they'll expect to see you frequently, proper (that rules out ~90% of them
) LFS teams want drivers who are commited to racing in LFS, which means no getting bored of LFS and deciding to not tell anyone your latest fad is 'CoD17:Yes were really doing WW2 yet again'. 
I make it more like 100... i tend to crash every other lap too 
with the FZR we can drive 9 laps if everything runs well, then pit. Try that in XRR
yeah, i get that it'd be better having proper races with the rivals rather than racing something you cant see.
But if you quarter the qual group and the fastest 1/4 go into one server, the second 1/4 go into another etc, then your definately going to get better racing than just moving small groups of cars, however its not hard to see potential ways in which to screw the system to drive with lowly qualified teams so there isnt the close defensive driving in order to have a clear track etc. All it takes is an accidental message during qual and your 1sec down and looking at a server 2+ time, you dont have to sandbag which looks obvious, just a not so innocent accidental message which ruins an otherwise nice time and your clear of challenging teams for the race.
So im not sure theres a particularly easy solution to the problem.
The other thing is, after about 10 laps your usually fairly spread out, and after an hour you can consider yourself fairly lucky to still be racing closely with the next guy. Thats usually the case in most racing, the field spreads and battles are harder to come across.
FTR, im not trying to poop on anyones parade, i'd just rather look for weaknesses and try and fix them, rather than ignore them and hope people dont find them and use them, we had that in MoE and it put a sour note on the season.
I think chances are that regardless of the way teams are split the cream will come to the top anyway, its 16hrs and it probably wont be won by a 30sec gap, let alone a 30sec which only existed because of a scrap on another server which cost 35sec etc. You'd just hope that the teams are split up well enough to give the fairest & most entertaining race possible, i guess theres no formula that can do that 100%.
But if you quarter the qual group and the fastest 1/4 go into one server, the second 1/4 go into another etc, then your definately going to get better racing than just moving small groups of cars, however its not hard to see potential ways in which to screw the system to drive with lowly qualified teams so there isnt the close defensive driving in order to have a clear track etc. All it takes is an accidental message during qual and your 1sec down and looking at a server 2+ time, you dont have to sandbag which looks obvious, just a not so innocent accidental message which ruins an otherwise nice time and your clear of challenging teams for the race.
So im not sure theres a particularly easy solution to the problem.
The other thing is, after about 10 laps your usually fairly spread out, and after an hour you can consider yourself fairly lucky to still be racing closely with the next guy. Thats usually the case in most racing, the field spreads and battles are harder to come across.
FTR, im not trying to poop on anyones parade, i'd just rather look for weaknesses and try and fix them, rather than ignore them and hope people dont find them and use them, we had that in MoE and it put a sour note on the season.
I think chances are that regardless of the way teams are split the cream will come to the top anyway, its 16hrs and it probably wont be won by a 30sec gap, let alone a 30sec which only existed because of a scrap on another server which cost 35sec etc. You'd just hope that the teams are split up well enough to give the fairest & most entertaining race possible, i guess theres no formula that can do that 100%.
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id have thought they'd be placed in server 1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4 etc so that way everyone has a fair and equal chance, if server 1 has Q1-2-3, #2 has Q4-5-6 etc then it isnt as clean and equal as it could be.
If they're dealt out like cards then in server 1 you have 1-5-9-13-17... and so on, those cars are likely to spread themselves out evenly. Same in server 2,3&4.
If they're grouped so in server 1 you have 1-2-3, then those 3 are going to be tight, scrapping for a while, and possibly slowing each other down because they're closely matched. On its own thats fine, but when server 2 has 4-5-6 and one of those manage to run free then they could take the lead purely on the basis that other rival cars are having to drive more defensively or are overtaking and being overtaken.
It doesnt have the same equal playing ground feel to it in my opinion. If the faster car in your class qualified 4 places ahead of you, and the slower one qualified 4 places behind you, and thats the case in EVERY server, then thats fair and i dont see how anyone could argue its anything but that. But placing them into servers in bunches means everything but that. If your in bunches of 3, then #1 car has 2 almost as quick cars right up its backside but could run free of them, #2 has one either side of it, its gotta look in all directions, #3 has 2 slightly faster ahead of it possibly stopping them from going as quick as they can, and 4 has what? 2 slower cars behind it and free air ahead. It means your better qualifying 4th than 3rd in my book at least. If i felt we were good enough to be higher up, i'd rather i had clear track to race into from Q4 than be stuck behind 2 cars who Q'd better but ive got to PASS them in order to improve that place, where as Q4 just has to get some clean laps in to pass me in Q3 etc.
IMO at least
If they're dealt out like cards then in server 1 you have 1-5-9-13-17... and so on, those cars are likely to spread themselves out evenly. Same in server 2,3&4.
If they're grouped so in server 1 you have 1-2-3, then those 3 are going to be tight, scrapping for a while, and possibly slowing each other down because they're closely matched. On its own thats fine, but when server 2 has 4-5-6 and one of those manage to run free then they could take the lead purely on the basis that other rival cars are having to drive more defensively or are overtaking and being overtaken.
It doesnt have the same equal playing ground feel to it in my opinion. If the faster car in your class qualified 4 places ahead of you, and the slower one qualified 4 places behind you, and thats the case in EVERY server, then thats fair and i dont see how anyone could argue its anything but that. But placing them into servers in bunches means everything but that. If your in bunches of 3, then #1 car has 2 almost as quick cars right up its backside but could run free of them, #2 has one either side of it, its gotta look in all directions, #3 has 2 slightly faster ahead of it possibly stopping them from going as quick as they can, and 4 has what? 2 slower cars behind it and free air ahead. It means your better qualifying 4th than 3rd in my book at least. If i felt we were good enough to be higher up, i'd rather i had clear track to race into from Q4 than be stuck behind 2 cars who Q'd better but ive got to PASS them in order to improve that place, where as Q4 just has to get some clean laps in to pass me in Q3 etc.
IMO at least
Well, as Benji says, you dont HAVE to, but it makes sense to rebuild the whole setup, or at least make some changes because the setup was made for a 450bhp/ton car, and your riding with 320-330.
The differences between GT1 and GT2 are nothing more than power/top speed really, their cornering speed is the same (provided the GT2 can reach that speed, but fundamentally it can do it). So if you could do 80mph round T1 in the GT1, you can in the GT2 with the same setup, however you'll find that you can remove some of the assistance which helps carry speed round corners in order to make them faster in a straight line (or in places you dont need help with traction).
Gearing is an absolute must really, you'd probably not get into 6th gear with a GT1 ratio, let alone run it near to the redline, so you losing gears. You basically need to cater to the changes you car has now its removed 20% (i think) of its available power. So definately sort the ratio out, the rest is down to personal preference, what you feel comfortable with. You could run low downforce but end up with the car sliding around more and burning up the tyres and spinning off, or you could add more with a safer car and lose a little down the straights. Its always a trade-off, just run what your comfortable running not what joe public says is best cos joe isnt driving it, you are.
Its probably the hardest part of the GT2 class, because there arent setups freely available like there are for any standard car, let alone really good sets you feel comfortable with, so you need to do a lot of the legwork for yourself, or do what i do, sit back and let teammates see to it all nobody would drive anything i'd created!! 
The differences between GT1 and GT2 are nothing more than power/top speed really, their cornering speed is the same (provided the GT2 can reach that speed, but fundamentally it can do it). So if you could do 80mph round T1 in the GT1, you can in the GT2 with the same setup, however you'll find that you can remove some of the assistance which helps carry speed round corners in order to make them faster in a straight line (or in places you dont need help with traction).
Gearing is an absolute must really, you'd probably not get into 6th gear with a GT1 ratio, let alone run it near to the redline, so you losing gears. You basically need to cater to the changes you car has now its removed 20% (i think) of its available power. So definately sort the ratio out, the rest is down to personal preference, what you feel comfortable with. You could run low downforce but end up with the car sliding around more and burning up the tyres and spinning off, or you could add more with a safer car and lose a little down the straights. Its always a trade-off, just run what your comfortable running not what joe public says is best cos joe isnt driving it, you are.
Its probably the hardest part of the GT2 class, because there arent setups freely available like there are for any standard car, let alone really good sets you feel comfortable with, so you need to do a lot of the legwork for yourself, or do what i do, sit back and let teammates see to it all
nobody would drive anything i'd created!! its not different skills, its just the full field split evenly (as evenly as possible i guess) into 4 servers.
I *think* that would mean you'd get servers based on qual positions like:
#1 - GT1 - Q1,5,9... GT2 - Q1,5,9... NGT - Q1,5,9...
#2 - GT1 - Q2,6,10... GT2 - Q2,6,10... NGT - Q2,6,10...
#3 - GT1 - Q3,7,11... GT2 - Q3,7,11... NGT - Q3,7,11...
#4 - GT1 - Q4,8,12... GT2 - Q4,8,12... NGT - Q4,8,12...
The information of each cars laps & actions are sent to the tracker, and a leaderboard is formed to show the standings of the race, so you can be leading the #3 server but be 5th in the standings if 4 other cars are doing better than you.
Its hard racing against something thats not there with you, being unable to defend a position like you normally can (unless it happens to be someone on the same server) but its the one way of having a mixed field and allowing so many people to compete together fairly, no tiers of ability, everyone on the day can win their class. I think thats what most people want in a series, being able to race against everyone and take their chances, rather than being divided up by ability/experience/results shoved to one side and made to wait till they can race with bigger teams, 1-off races like this make that happen
One thing that will be interesting is same server battles, normally if 2 cars are fighting for position they lose time by defending corners or trying to overtake etc and the following cars gain and get right into the mix too. In this, the 'following cars' could be on a different server and virtually overtake both of you while your still squabbling for 1 place.
SK??
It took you guys a month to solve that sh*t storm, and that was 1 server, quadruple that... dunno about you, but i wouldnt want to go through all the hassle of double checking disconnections, making sure they didnt gain by disconnecting and getting a brand new car full of fuel, fresh tyre and a repaired engine which cant be fixed any other way.
It is harsh for the innocent though, but so is getting taken off the track and picking up damage etc because of someone elses mistake.
What Benji is saying is theres nothing to stop you, but you'd be stupid to do so.
The gear ratio is set so that it gets the best out of the cars power, when you take 20% of its power away then the engine is never going to hit 100% which is what those gears are set for.
I dont touch setups, but i know enough to know that very little of a GT1 setup is carried over to a GT2 setup, your not driving the same car anymore, you start changing basic things camber, toe and downforce etc because your car at its limits doesnt struggle as much round corners, it doesnt need as much help holding the line so you remove that help because the less you have the faster your car is in a straight line.
ok cool.
[sends hypnotic message]not 18th of October, not 18th of October[/message]
[sends hypnotic message]not 18th of October, not 18th of October[/message]
Any sign of some prelimiary dates for 08/09?
Trying to organise a team get-together and dates when its good for everyone, the last thing we want is to organise it for the same weekend as an MoE round.
Trying to organise a team get-together and dates when its good for everyone, the last thing we want is to organise it for the same weekend as an MoE round.
I wouldnt think so, i think Schnuffel was about having some fun and driving with people you dont normally get the chance to drive with, and while Scipy wants to do that, he can
Scipy & Sracer join Mercury Racing
Today we are delighted to announce 2 new drivers to our line-up, Scipy agreed to join us earlier this week and Sracer has decided to follow.
Scipy has been a driver we've considered as a friend of the team just as much as a rival driver (sadly then he got faster and became a serious threat) and we share the same philosophy when it comes to our racing, serious when we need to be but always up for some fun when the chance arrises, and Scipy is more than capable of doing both at the same time!
Sracer took a little longer as he need to sober up first, and after taking a couple of days to mull things over he made the decision to follow Scipy as they have a great relationship, and once he realised there was definately still a place for him in LFS he agreed to join. He's a tricky little nubbin to keep up with, and hopefully now he's a teammate he can just order him to slow down for the rest of us instead 
Its a real honour to have such quick and experienced drivers on board, we've raced against both drivers on many an occasion and both were instrumental in the success Cyber had in events like MoE, as well as individual driving events. They will add to the fantastic individual driving talent we already have as well as great team drivers and we hope these new arrivals will give us the chance to be the first successful team to defend a MoE title when the series starts up again in September, as well as mount new challenges in other events.
So we'd like to introduce everyone to (\/) P. Purhonen and (\/) S. Pašić and we look forward to seeing him on the track wearing the Mercury colours in future.
Welcome to the team guys.
Scipy has been a driver we've considered as a friend of the team just as much as a rival driver (sadly then he got faster and became a serious threat
) and we share the same philosophy when it comes to our racing, serious when we need to be but always up for some fun when the chance arrises, and Scipy is more than capable of doing both at the same time!Sracer took a little longer as he need to sober up first
, and after taking a couple of days to mull things over he made the decision to follow Scipy as they have a great relationship, and once he realised there was definately still a place for him in LFS he agreed to join. He's a tricky little nubbin to keep up with, and hopefully now he's a teammate he can just order him to slow down for the rest of us instead Its a real honour to have such quick and experienced drivers on board, we've raced against both drivers on many an occasion and both were instrumental in the success Cyber had in events like MoE, as well as individual driving events. They will add to the fantastic individual driving talent we already have as well as great team drivers and we hope these new arrivals will give us the chance to be the first successful team to defend a MoE title when the series starts up again in September, as well as mount new challenges in other events.
So we'd like to introduce everyone to (\/) P. Purhonen and (\/) S. Pašić and we look forward to seeing him on the track wearing the Mercury colours in future.
Welcome to the team guys.
The cockyness... its just a feeling, but i'll try and explain what it is for me.
As I said, its his actions, not his words, i think they give a person away more than what they say because those things can be scripted and you can easily express any message you want with words. Actions tend to be more real, and theres been times when ive seen him celebrating wins and he likes to emphasis things, silly things like running up stairs to show he's not tired, he's full of energy and this is just a walk in the park for him.
I never get the feeling when he's talking that what he's saying is what he truely feels, he often sounds like hes trying to pass himself off as the average bloke, just like everyone sat at home watching, because they want to feel some connection to him. It feels a little too false, media friendly, charm offensive kinda stuff.
Confidence is being able to run round the Nurburgring when its been absolutely lashing it down, you've dumped it into the gravel once already, you lost a wheel of the car to some freak incident the day before and gone flat out into a tyre barrier, and now you've come to the conclusion that despite it being a wet track, your going to go out onto dry weather tyres because you believe you can still drive at a decent pace and when a dry line comes you'll be on the right tyres to make a move.
Confidence is being a good 30-40sec ahead of your rival and any other driver, when the weather is horrible, people are sliding off everywhere, and your still going round as if your season depended on you making up a 40+ sec gap, not defending one. So i dont think confidence covers what im refering to, he's clearly got bags of that, you'd have to in order to do the things he's done with so little experience,
Dont get me wrong, i love the guy, and he's got to where he is by being exactly who he is. But 'cocky' to me sums up a little of his personality IMO. He's still a geniunely nice guy, but i think he likes to try to put on a bit of a show for the cameras from time to time.
Steady on fella!
For me, that was probably the best individual drive ive ever seen, i cant think of a better one right now. Had he started further back and overtaken a few people, it'd probably be put down as one of the greatest of all time, but i think the fact that he 'only' had to deal with the terrible weather while everyone else was flying off and spinning round, he barely put a foot wrong, 1 incident where his car control saved him, and barely cost him anything (wouldnt suprise me if he still lapped faster than the rest of the Inters pack that lap anyway!). One of my favourites was Mansell in Hungary, think it was his first year at Ferrari. I've been watching since the very late 80s (aged about 10), so ive seen Senna at his best, scrapping (squabbling!) with Prost as teammates and in rival teams, and there has probably been better races, with great drives in them, but individually, driving in those conditions, and putting everyone else to shame...
Senna comparisons... your always going to get them, rightly or wrongly. I dont think its wrong to compare them, thats typically whats always been done, Senna was an amazing driver, so is Lewis, so where is the harm in comparing them? Suggesting he's as good as, thats where i'd definately draw the line. I think Lewis could surpass Schumacher, and even Senna, but just 20-oddraces in, you'd be stupid to make any
Lastly.... Lewis & Ego's
Love the guy, but he's a bit too cocky isnt he? Love Ronaldo too, they're pretty similar, both think a little too much of themselves i think (with Ronny its fairly obvious). Lewis kinda likes to rub it in a little though, im not sure if he does that subconsiously or if its some psychological message to rivals that he's better than them...
If he was German, he'd be a cocky little tw..what-not, but he's British so we dont mind. I think he could tone it down a bit, he doesnt go around telling everyone he's the best and he's going to win everything, but his actions often suggest thats what he thinks. Thats my impression anyway, and i fcuking love the guy. I'd love to have seen him and Schumi together, not to mention other past greats, but its would have been interesting seeing that battle.
We've had some decent championships the last few years, it wasnt that long ago it was Schumi, Kimi and Alonso (iirc) who were extremely close with 3 races left. Last season we had a great season, 3 possible winners in the last round, and a great final race which decided it. This season looks the same, not sure if BMW can keep themselves in there, hopefully they will, but they always seem to be chasing Ferrari & Mclaren rather than the one to catch, but they're where they are on merit so whos to say they cant still be there come the end of the season.
Bring on the slicks next year, and the aerodynamic changes/reductions the following year??
Senna comparisons... your always going to get them, rightly or wrongly. I dont think its wrong to compare them, thats typically whats always been done, Senna was an amazing driver, so is Lewis, so where is the harm in comparing them? Suggesting he's as good as, thats where i'd definately draw the line. I think Lewis could surpass Schumacher, and even Senna, but just 20-oddraces in, you'd be stupid to make any
Lastly.... Lewis & Ego's
Love the guy, but he's a bit too cocky isnt he? Love Ronaldo too, they're pretty similar, both think a little too much of themselves i think (with Ronny its fairly obvious). Lewis kinda likes to rub it in a little though, im not sure if he does that subconsiously or if its some psychological message to rivals that he's better than them...
If he was German, he'd be a cocky little tw..what-not, but he's British so we dont mind. I think he could tone it down a bit, he doesnt go around telling everyone he's the best and he's going to win everything, but his actions often suggest thats what he thinks. Thats my impression anyway, and i fcuking love the guy. I'd love to have seen him and Schumi together, not to mention other past greats, but its would have been interesting seeing that battle.
We've had some decent championships the last few years, it wasnt that long ago it was Schumi, Kimi and Alonso (iirc) who were extremely close with 3 races left. Last season we had a great season, 3 possible winners in the last round, and a great final race which decided it. This season looks the same, not sure if BMW can keep themselves in there, hopefully they will, but they always seem to be chasing Ferrari & Mclaren rather than the one to catch, but they're where they are on merit so whos to say they cant still be there come the end of the season.
Bring on the slicks next year, and the aerodynamic changes/reductions the following year??
I think you'll find theres more to it than Honda being the only team to think its a good idea to put full wets on, they took a *gamble* on full wets when it was the correct call, but i doubt many expected the rain to be as heavy as it was. It became fairly obvious full wets were best within a couple of laps, but at the same time having to stop TWICE is costly, it wasnt just a case of making an unscheduled stop for full wets, it was the cost of a full wet stop AND an intermediate, because they knew it wouldnt be a long shower and the track would begin to dry out.
So, then your left with a matter of risk, when your leading by just 10sec over your title rival, do you risk that lead by pitting in so soon after the last stop to put on tyres which may only be an advantage for 10 laps, and then pit for inters again?
Perfect example of the uncertainty of the weather (maybe a bad one seeing as they got the first call wrong but...) Ferrari felt the weather wasnt going to be bad enough to require fresh intermediates, and despite the rain coming down, Kimi stayed out for around 10 laps on half-worn inters. Ferrari arent n00bs, usually at least, but the information they had must have been so uncertain that they felt pitting for even Inters wasnt to their advantage compared to the time lost for making just 1 unscheduled stop, and im sure many other teams were in similar situations but most had previously made the call to change to new inters when it was still damp.
It takes balls to make those decisions, and Lewis has shown in the past he isnt afraid of taking a chance (the European GP last season being a good example, didnt ultimately pay off as when the track did dry up it wasnt long before it started raining again, but he risked running dry tyres in drizzle on a wet track because he felt it'd be to his advantage). Swapping to full wets was a big call, and one you cant make without risk, and when your already on fresh inters which can handle the wet weather when your not sure how long it'll last, you've got to be pretty sure its worth full wets.
Inters cant cope with standing water, and thats where the risk came along and why the full wets were definately the way to go, but considering both Kimi and Lewis had just pitted they would need 2 stops (inters to wets, then wets to inters later on) and thats 80sec lost, could they guarantee they'd regain that?? Kimi.. maybe he could have considering what it cost him, but Lewis? doubt it, not even with hindsight! Rubens was only 4sec faster per lap, while Lewis was also 3-4sec per lap faster than the rest.
Had Kimi pitted for full wets (apparently at Ferrari's say so, he's unable to make these decisions for himself according to some on here :really
then you can be sure Mclaren would have followed the next lap.Instead Lewis was pulling away from Kimi by around 5-8sec a lap when the rain started again, this still some laps from Honda making a call.
I still cant quite understand the stupidity of Ferrari though, Kimi had the final call of what tyres he wants, that much is true, but if Ferrari didnt think there was a sufficient likelyhood of further rain in the race, then whoever made that call should be sacked, instantly! Even James Allen knew it would start raining again way ahead of it coming down goodness sake.
Expecting such a heavy downpour would have been unlikely, but thinking worn intermediates would be sufficient says either they're incompetent or their intel was useless. Still, damage limitation could have been implemented sooner, Kimi has that call, so i'd say they're both as much to blame as each other. Ferrari for not knowing it'd rain again (the initial light rain was costing him 5+ sec/lap) and Kimi not recognising this probably isnt a good idea seeing your rival disappear from view within 2 laps, and continue to get worse.
Mercury is in
Would have been done much earlier, but when Duck asked me to do it i insisted i spent more time on research, now im exhaused, all researched out, here it is
Would have been done much earlier, but when Duck asked me to do it i insisted i spent more time on research, now im exhaused, all researched out, here it is
1) If the team he was with wasnt hitting the right buttons, why stay with them, while trying to join other teams on another account?
2) If he wants to learn from another team, apply to other teams.
3) If other teams dont want him, why??
4) If creating a second account, to pretend to be someone your not, in order to get what your not getting as AMB, what does that tell you?
Im sure he had his reasons, but it doesnt excuse the decisions you make, whatever the reason you do it. Those 4 points answer everything, its why he felt the need to insult people by lying to them, misleading them into getting something he wanted, because the things he'd done 'in a past life' werent going to get him what he wanted. Additionally, if you wipe out all the negative things AMB has done (cant say i know of his history in the slightest!) theres still no way we'd sign him, and im sure many others wouldnt either, simple because he missing what makes a good racer into a great racer, he knew that and spun himself as being new to LFS in order to get what he wanted from a new team who would be able to improve him as a driver (4yrs hasnt helped me much, but im beyond help, in lfs or otherwise :razz
.His actions say everything they need to say, and unless he's suggesting someone effectively forced him to take those actions, what excuse is there for taking them. Its his path, he chose the route.
It was based on what he'd told us and what we could see, limited experience of LFS but experience in GTR2 & Forza2, and what we saw from him in a car we now find is one of the few he sticks to, rather than having just picked it up.
There was definate potential, but from someone who eas inexperienced, and thats what we were looking at. Had he got the miles AMB had im fairly sure we'd have seen that he was running close to his potential, but with a newbie already showing promise, the potential is encouraging.
I wouldnt say he's a crap driver, in the few races i saw he was doing well, and he was getting decent results. But then i dont know much about the people he was racing against, and if thats a combo he frequently drives then what does that say?
Im quick in a UF1 round a few tracks once i remember what im supposed to be doing, and might look half-decent compared to good drivers, but if the good drivers spent a bit of time on there they'd start out-performing me no problem... and I wouldnt touch me with a barge pole
So i dunno really how good he is, because what we saw was based on lies really, as i said, im sure i can look competent/half-decent with a bit of practice.
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