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510N3D
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nice one, but i dont think that i would fall in love with it :P

About your question, i suppose its just another preconception based on hearsay? Just ignore it.
510N3D
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Quote from funnybone2 :well you are the oval king :P

Thanks, but no im not.

Quote from PMD9409 :I'm sorry, but if a so called proper server is running cars with the highest amount of grip around an oval, then it is not a proper server.

Im sorry, but why should we run a server with cars having just road tires, no downforce and not even the option for a asymmetric suspension on a oval? Of course its more complicated but its just not working on a public base and besides thats, its boring since there is not even a realistic draft engine.
Just imagine if you fly into turn 3 after catching a draft of 3 cars or so with a road car and you have most probably people around your that simple do not expect that you have to go wide through that turn, even if you have just passed them on the inside at the straight.
We had a few races with these cars and this is what i have noticed but just in case someone has a different opinion about that, because i have seen a couple of XRT or LX4 servers recently, please let me know. And dont get me wrong, its not that i completely dislike it but i prefer to race with these cars in events where you have only people around you that are aware of these facts. However, i think GTR cars as we have them on our Oval Starters server do have alot of grip but i dont think that (having the weight of these cars in mind) these cars are very easy to handle and everyone is able to race them. Almost the same goes for the BF1, its easy to drive around but ask yourself: Is it also easy to go fast around that track without draft? And is it easy to race with it? Like with a couple of cars around you and be still fast?
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510N3D
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*cough*, please read my reply in this thread (link) and then you get quite an idea about whats going on at the oval, basically. I refuse to get any more into detail here because some people obviously spread just nonsense without even knowing it. This discussion will always be at the same poor level of quality since the "anti oval fraction" will never be able to create the amount of passion which is needed for a objectively judgement. Just in case they would eventually join a proper server, assumed they accept or understand this definition because the amount of "strange" rules that are beeing applied can be really annoying or illogically while ignoring the fact that they have been created for several important reasons, and give it go and not for just a couple of laps or races, which is actually the reason for the lack of knowledge. But that wont happen i guess since it would disprove almost 90% of their argumentation. I cant even imagine how the result would be without concrete rules on a oval server. Just in case you manage that on a public base with a better result then we have, please let me know. Im just happy that i have got the ability to make the best out of things even if they might not be 100% perfect or realistic. Positive ignorance so to speak

However, i had a good laugh while reading some of this stuff

Thanks for your attention.

Cheers
510N3D
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Quote from Blackout :That is nice, wouldn't mind driving it.

But anyway. I think that most LFSers don't like oval racing because it really blows in LFS at the moment. Typically the car of choice has been the fastest available, which gets boring if you can keep your foot down for the whole race. Not even to mention the bad servers (no names) which gave the oval racing a bad name since the beginning, they demanded to spectate if you crashed and all kind of crazy stuff which was ridiculous and not even to mention that the combo usually lures all the newbies in. Which meant carnage. Restarts because the admin said so, and more restarts. So, it might have retarded reputation in the eyes of most people.

Personally, I don't like combos I can't miss my braking points and crash.
Oval racing in LFS is like that. Few more types of ovals and a stock car wouldn't hurt a bit, I'd love it.

You have obviously no clue what you are talking about and you can consider yourself to the kind of persons i have described in my other post in this thread.

Quote from Blackout :
But, I think we also need some physic updates to make oval racing a bit more exciting. Aero model should be improved to create more realistic drafting, not to mention overheating of your engine! This applies to track racing too of course.

cant agree more on that one. Oval would be even more challenging and i also think that curcuit racers, especially those who likes to drive the BF1 will definitely benefit from that.
510N3D
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Quote from lizardfolk :I have a question. Now for those of you who dont know me I use to be a oval only guy. (I only played NASCAR/INDY games/mods).

Until recently I decided to try my hands on road courses (i bought LFS and rFactor).

Now, in stock car racing (oval or road courses) contact is no big deal, just as long as you dont spin the other guy out. In some leagues, getting others loose just A LITTLE bit is fine.

Does the rules completely change in road courses? I traded paint with a few guys (I never spinned anyone) and I was banned.

I'm also curious on another thing, why is blocking = ban? I was on a oval server and in my previous NR2003 team I was known for being a good blocker on an oval. Now, I never force people out or bump them with malice. But I wont give up my line. I raced in the oval starters server and I was banned for blocking. I mean WTF!!!!

Ok, let me tell you how it goes. I played nascar racing excessively a few years ago, so i know exactly why you're so confused. The slipstream technique in lfs (which is by the way still in a "early stage of development") compared to nascar racing is completely different as you might have noticed. You cant get behind another car, use the draft, recude the drag of the group and gain speed. That doesn't work right now so its absolutely useless to block/ defend your line at all time. You will slow down the group instead of getting an advantage over those who are not working together.

Get rid of your common strategies and get used to it, make the best out of it. We tried to do so and many people are willing to go by the rules we had to create and as far as i know, this provided alot of great races.

(please read this to get a better understanding of what im acutally talking about (just in case you do not already know and for everybody that actually dont know about it))

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drafting_%28racing%29

-> which brings me to my point: after a couple of years now playing this game and especially the oval it turned out that teamwork (drafting non-stop) (different kind of what one as a stock car driver would consider as teamwork), no matter if youre actually in a team/ clan whatever or not, is the best solution while logically most effective. So there is only one reason to block: block to keep the pattern stable. For example (group of three cars): If you got passed by someone at the end of a straight and the distance to this car turns out to be perfect for the next straight, block (narrowing your race line depending on the situation, try to avoid sudden movements) the car that is behind you to keep the distance and therefore the pattern.


So what is racing on the oval in LFS? Its hotlapping. Two, three four or five cars (+/-) in a group is usually the optimum capacity, at least for cars with slicks and downforce. You get to know each other after a while and pull the rest out of these vehicles, fight together for good lap times or against other groups.

Now there are basically two options to win a race if you desperately need to win.

Number 1 is luck, which basically means that you end up in a position (resulting out of the "draft pattern") on the start/ finish straight (last lap) where nobody else could catch you in time to pass you before the s/f line.

or

Number 2 (the so called "Quietscheente style" (/insider joke )), you are allowed to block in the last lap after turn 3 but only as much as it wont forces any crashes with the guys you are racing with. Think about it, you will win that way only once, maybe twice but next time youre on the list and you will most probably have to deal with simular strange/ dangerous manoeuver.


Well, ok, its not realistic but im convinced it will be one day. I mean hey, whats the oval for then? I think its purpose is to make this game even more perfect and im also sure that curcuit racers will benefit from this work. But i dont even want start imagine how big the effort must be to create and test all those calculations/ codes that are needed to make it "perfect" or close to realistic conditions. Afaik, papyrus/ sierra had a big team and also assistance from the nascar/ stockcar industry. LFS developers are "just" 3 men (afaik). Im patient, are you?

Alright, this is just my homble opinion about it and maybe i missed something here and there. Other (lfs oval) drivers may see things different then me and im open for any improvements. I hope this was at least a bit helpful for you and if youre interested, just visit our site and we can talk about your case.

Cheers
510N3D
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Quote from fragile_dog :I would say its the other way round. Most americans won't consider another form of Racing, since nascar seems to be the only really popular series. Whilst in europe loads of people tune in to watch F1, Rally, Touring cars etc. Seems to be more different forms of racing that are popular in europe, then in the states.

Now I'm not saying it wouldn't be fun to drive on a proper oval with a proper stock car, but to me it is pretty boring to watch, BTCC is alot more fun, same close racing but just better to watch, and some of the drivers are nutters. Im just saying don't call europeans close minded. Oh and UK has drag as well....

Well, biggest problem in europe or at least in germany is that there is no TV Channel except for payTV that is broadcasting nascar-, indy-, dirt-, mud-, whatever- racing. I think that the main reason for this circumstance is that there are too many of these people which are responsible for the program think the same way as you have just mentioned. I just dont get it and i cant imagine that, if broadcasted it wouldn't be watched at all. Thats absurd from my pov because i think most of the people that would watch european motorsports would also consider watching americans wouldn't they?

What i also do not understand is, and i did said that many times before in simular threads is why some of the people have got such a irrepressibly urge to spread their trash around here, most of them without any knowledge about it and start bashing around while they would have had the possibility to ignore the content just like they ignored the constructive opinions regarding this topic.

Well..whatever.
510N3D
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Nardo ftw

http://www.lfsforum.net/attach ... id=13079&d=1152880452

"The ring located in Nardò is used as a test track for high speeds. At 12.5 km (just under 7.8 miles) and perfectly round, it is banked at such a degree that a driver often need not turn the wheel while driving. In essence, the driver drives as if in a straight line. Some extremely fast cars do require the steering wheel to be turned for example the Koenigsegg CCR which set a speed record for a production car at the Nardò Ring with the wheel at 30°. This record has since been beaten by the Bugatti Veyron, however the CCR holds the speed record for the Ring. For safety reasons, motorcycles are not permitted. There has only been one fatality at the ring."

Besides, theres obviously enough space to add several test areas such as autocross, skidpad, dragstrip (you name it) and even curcuit (rally) tracks could been added. I remember that theres is something simular but much smaller in the nkpro demo.
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510N3D
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hey c40z, just found that clip @ youtube, i really love it, nice editing and music =)

any way you could update the download link at your site?

Edit: almost forgot to rate it: 10/10
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510N3D
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Quote from garph :The language of the forum is in English, please.

i dont see the problem in here, they are looking for german racers or in this particular case, people from my hometown. Ergo, this thread would be even more useless for you if it would be written in english.

However, im from HRO as well but already in a team for a long time now. Wish you all good luck and cya on track i guess
510N3D
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Quote from Barroso :i think this was already reported but anyway...
if you exit a replay when the "New player is connecting" message appears, and then try to change any of the options in the main menu you wont be able to change nothing, and LFS wont quit either, only by the task manager, the debug message is "Please wait - a player is connecting".

Quote from 510N3D :just found a small bug. I was watching a replay and just before it ended the message: "a new player is connecting" appeared. The replay do not show him connecting anymore. After that i deleted an old player name, profil however its called and then i was about to exit the game but i couldn't. The message "please wait - a player is connecting" appeared and i could not exit using the "ok" button but esc worked as usual.

Esc didn't worked for you?
510N3D
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just found a small bug. I was watching a replay and just before it ended the message: "a new player is connecting" appeared. The replay do not show him connecting anymore. After that i deleted an old player name, profil however its called and then i was about to exit the game but i couldn't. The message "please wait - a player is connecting" appeared and i could not exit using the "ok" button but esc worked as usual.
510N3D
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Quote from Greboth :is really just another form of natural stupidity.

oh rly, would you be so kind and go a little more into detail?

Quote from Greboth :
There is a laugh and joke around on this forum, at times I have nearly ended up spitting out my drink from laughing. There are obviously serious threads and flaming will always happen. Out of the popular forums I visit I can only think of two which can have a joke, one of which is on here.

I agree on that and i wasn't about to have a go on the hole forum which is in fact very well moderated, in gerneral. As you can see on my post count which is not very high but shows clearly that i like to read the threads, serious stuff or not and give an oppinion once in a while. So i just wanted to point that out in my first reply here because everything sounded a bit to shiny for me and its one of the things that really strikes me. Its most probably one of the less things we or some of us really have to sort out in future or maybe its just wearing out and people get bored moaning about the same things over and over again Either way, i think LFS is capable for so much more than we have right now and certain people should just start realize that. So in this respect, everyone should be respected for their choices and that all i demand.

And now hit me as hard as you can.

Thank you.
510N3D
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Quote from AndroidXP :The only people getting flamed here are the ones who did post something genuinely stupid and/or can't be bothered to spell correctly or at least use a spell checker plugin of some sort. Especially if they're from a country with English as its first language.

Seriously, compared to many other gaming forums this one is like heaven, though the aforementioned group of people do drag it down lately. However, wishing this forum to be more like RSC is insane. The mix of slowness, the way of moderating and some of the contained communities plus the ignorance found in them make me outright loathe it. :irked:
Then again, I'm only really looking at a very small selection of sub-forums over there, so it might not be as bad on average.

Dont forget the people that mention/ start threads that contains something like oval or drifting. Its almost certain and you will be:

- punished by the :bananadea brigade &/ or
- be confronted with ignorant and ridicules "opinions".

So instead of following the motto: "live and let live" its more like "only racing on curcuit tracks is real racing, everything else is nonesense and should be banned permanently." One thing i have learned in this forum is: true intelligence reveals in a discussion about the matter of taste.

Feel free to use the Search function and correct me if im wrong.
510N3D
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Quote from dadge :i don't hotlap. never have and never will. i just don't see the point. i have even not entered leagues that require hotlaps to enter. i just don't get it. fair enough single player means that there is no drafting but i just don't get it.

Ever entered a track, did some laps and thought you're quick? Well that might be true in some way but dont tell me you never checked the WR to see how far away you are. I like to have the possibility to check what is actually achievable if you spend alot of time and effort into your setup and the track, inch by inch, step by step. I love the "aha effect" when i discover something where i thought that cant be possible or i can never do it this way if you get my point Hotlapping is a great feature where you can find (extend) your own limits or get close to the limits of your vehicle/ the track.
510N3D
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to pull a Kubica: hit another car just slightly, loose your car and go at almost topspeed into a wall. Destroy the car completely and walk away as if nothing happend


Quote from Gizz :Wasnt that just fantastic!!

to pull a kubica (when you have had enough for the night and just launch it into a couple of walls and see how mutch damage you can do

ops, ignored that for some reason
510N3D
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Quote from Dandy Dust :Who or what exactly do YOU THINK You are, moondings?!

And you are? Oh i forgot, the one that made an absurd example by starting vote kick/bans against innocent people. In this respect, we only have to worry about the lowered number of votes if people like you are on the server who either do not care about what really happend or just to create and example for their personal enjoyment.

What you do not understand is that the way you argue is just poor nonsense. And before you do that you should at least check your sources more carefully. Look here: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=8930

Its been clearly said that there is an investigation before a punishment is justified.

And the "law" can be reviewed here: http://www.lfs.net/?page=agreement
510N3D
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thank for this video, quite interesting. About this rigofrogs example (sticks/ stones) i remember a game which had a simular if not the same game engine: 1nsane (Codemasters/Invictus) who also made CRC05 (Cross Racing Championchip).
510N3D
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Quote from herki :But you can open that stream with MPlayer or VLC, which are way better in handling it IMHO.
I was about to post a similar topic, but I'm about 5.5h late

take a guess why i know its the same link.
510N3D
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Quote from Gabkicks :mms://odm-streaming-01.odmedia.net/f_24h_500

is that stream better quality than this one? Great fight between the two porsches. great pass on the outside line of karousel

how awsome would the xfr be on the nurburgring i'd probably flip over.

its the same stream according to the source text of the website
510N3D
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which point? voting people for no reason just to make a thread about it here and moaning about the new system which is in fact the best option for everybody? I mean people will vote, no matter what happend you will always have guys which actually dont know at all what really happend and still hit their 1 key and therefore is doesn't matter how many votes a call needs.
510N3D
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thanks alot for the patch Q fix

cheers
510N3D
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looks like you have copyright for the word "bollocks", Dandy Dust aka "Mr. Wikipedia"

*flees* :moped:....(damn, wrong direction)
510N3D
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weeee good job scawen
510N3D
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Quote from DEVIL 007 :why we didnt get this racing car in LFS




because its a skoda
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