Quote from mrodgers :

Ok, FWIW, the new Mazda I just bought must have the oil changed every 3000 miles. I have a 10 year/250,000 mile warrantee as long as I get it changed at the dealership every 3k.

I'm not sure I like that since its an additive that I don't know about. And I do change the oil every 3-5000 miles in every vehicle I have owned except for that Toyota. Really, it was just a cheapo hunk of junk that I totalled twice and hacked a new front end on to get it back on the road. I really didn't care much about it. It was my truck I used for 4wheeling mostly.

As for the coolant/antifreeze in that 88 Toy, I would fill it up and drive. When I stopped, there would be no antifreeze left. None in the oil, none burning away, and no leaks that I could detect. A real mystery to me.

well im sure the LFS crowd is the creme of the crop for americans


whichbtw by "here" i meant that as in "america" not he lfs crowd

Quote from JTbo :

I have heard that in US it would be quite common that oils are not changed there every 10 000km in every day rides. Maybe they are changed when they are in service program, but after that not so much. Of course what I have heard is not possible truth as information changes usually at some point.

There are a lot of ignorant car owners here, they don't learn proper car care, so they never do it i suppose. Granted with the quality of oils and engines these days, besides those pesky toyotas , frequent oil changes arent _as_ vital. I change mine every 3-4k though, with high mileage synthetic because i want the best for my baby

Just the 240..325k miles and counting

-1 most of the lfs tracks are club style not gt style, i'd reccomend taking them out of any gp style track but keeping the object for ones like fern bay

Quote from Fischfix :

the chase is really something what is kind of "unfair" for a driver who dominates 2/3 of the year.

it might get more interest for the last 10 races then, but its also kind of decrease the weight of the first 2/3. it's like with nba finals. they are much higher in popularity. those who are into basketball will watch every match of their game. the broad mass sticks to the finals...

ah... i wish i could have nascar races here in europe TV. isn't there any internet-TV broadcasting races?

ive always thought the winner of the first 2/3 should get somthing for it, seems kinda rude to not give them anything for their accomplishment, even with 2/3 of a schedual its longer than any other major racing series

Quote from skiingman :

As the Ford link points out, the Nextel Cup cylinder heads are very much for sale, very much in production, and are very likely to be found at a circle track near you. Well, maybe not you, but we've got hundreds of the things.

No, none of the major manufacturers build and sell tube frame racecars to the public.....what does this have to with them all being "the same" eh?

And on another note, if you don't think a small block can be shoved into "real cars" I suggest you get out more. Jeebus, I could more easily list the vehicles I haven't seen a small block chevy in....

Oh, the Monte Carlo is available with a SBC, as is the Impala. And the Charger. No, none of them share anything other than headlights (headlight stickers) but no, none of them are the same.

however, chevy does build the engines and help with the chassis building, along with all of the other manufactures. Toyota actually builds in shop TRD cars and sells them to teams...they are all very unique.

The engine parts? I'm not sure how to PROVE it to him..but yes they are all extremely differnt, you could never interchange parts or anything of the sorts, they all make differnt power in differnt places, they are quite unique.

haha neat finding via the thread, someone made a modern version of carrier command! i might just have to find this

http://www.carriercommand.com/

voted for first game

personaly mine was F/A 18 for the Commadore Amiga


along with carrier command, cant find any pics though


scratch that found some, used to play this game for hours and hours and hours

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Quote from skiingman :

Yeah, OK.

Its a motorsport, but its certainly a more entertainment/spectacle driven version than the other world class series. Of course, that does make it more fun to watch, and it does make it a lot more successful financially.

I think the last time there was a Cup race without a lead change was 2000 in that weird restrictor race at Loudon. NASCAR certainly does make things interesting.

Nascar does do an excessive amount to make it more fan friendly/entertaing i admit, but that still leaves me confused as to why its still not accepted nationwide as a sport, the polls still show it as gathering a miniscule amount of viewer attentoin vs other sports (all of american racing combined!)

guess there's just to much football to watch to have time for racing.

Quote from skiingman :

No, they aren't.

The "engine components" must all fit within a stringent set of rules, but they are certainly anything but "exactly the same."

The suspension components are likewise not "exactly the same" nor are the chassis. They must also comply with a stringent and limiting set of rules, but there are differences that would be obvious to a naked eyed layman like yourself between car 43 on the grid and car 1.

The Ford NASCAR motor is very much specific to Fords and is very much distinguishable from a Chevy NASCAR motor.

The fact that the motors share little with any current production motors does not imply that they are "the same" from brand to brand. They aren't.

You should really read more and disagree with people less. Its a "Camry", and the Toyota NASCAR motor was designed from scratch to be competitive with the current stuff without having any large unfair advantage due to new design. The basic motor design in NASCAR is always what you could call homologated by the manufacturer, and the details traditionally fall to the teams. The pole car may have ~100hp advantage on the guy picking up the 43rd spot even if they are using heads and blocks from the same manufacturer.

It may be stupid and a large waste of time and money that ends up requiring questionable rule changes to keep things competitive. It is not a "facade". There are very real differences between the different manufacturers' packages.

You've already convinced yourself there isn't, so this is sort of like talking to a brick wall. I'm not going to waste my time digging up the relevant history and data, you can do the research yourself if you decide to stop being thick.

It should be obvious that race shops in North Carolina didn't push the pushrod motor to 800hp plus without OEM assistance. It should be obvious that without manufacturer competition, the engine packages would be more reliable and less powerful, as is common in spec engine series.

http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=17425

There is a reason why Nextel Cup is one of the only forms of motorsport on earth that any sane person would call profitable. And really its because it isn't a motorsport at all; its a spectacle for entertainment of observers.

I'm not about to complain about how much it sucks from a sporting perspective; its immensely successful and therefore one of my best job prospects re: getting a motorsports engineering job down the road.

I was with you all the way up untill you said nascar isn't a motorsport, it may be oversponsored and watered down, but burried down in there, its still competition of man and machine vs man and machine...not sponsor vs sponsor...you just have to look through the bable to see it

the stcc s1 server is probably one of the only consistant ones, there are just so few s1 racers out there not many people front the money to make one

Quote from Viper93 :

No I know, I am saying thats just BS. They don't want to change over to FI because all the tech guys will have to learn a new technology. There are plenty of other leagues out there that run FI without major problems. Money will always find a way but FI cannot be any harder than carbs to check, just have to have the right technology.

I don't buy that at all...nascar teams, well well funded ones anyway, love new tech, they are always looking for new things to exploit and advance in. But like i said, well funded teams, what happens to all of the budget teams, and the busch and truck series, none of those guys could afford to change out their hundreds of engines for completly new ones. I just dont see any possible advantage to fi at this time, and neither does nascar...i guess that would be the main reason not to switch but thats just my irrational nascar fan opinion

Quote from Viper93 :

Well thats not true there are other leagues running crate engines from say GM like the LS2 or LT1 that crank out 450 HP factory. I am sure they could design an engine thats sealed that uses fuel injection with sufficient HP to push these cars.

I think they don't want to do Fuel injection because NASCAR has always been about carbs. It has nothing to do about T/C or rules. They could just seal the engine up and make everyone run the same engine. ASA does this now I feel very effectivly. I love watching ASA those cars come off the corners soooo much harder than any car with carbs strapped on.

I kind of like the car, the front end is very weird with that splitter on it but with the widshield back up to normal its starting to look like a real car again. It will be good to see how this shakes down during the next season.

Im just relaying information mike helton said at the press conference when the COT debuted...the fi question came up many times and those were his reasons

Quote from duke_toaster :

NASCAR have missed an opportunity to become more sensible.

Ideally, I would have allowed fuel injection and all the other stuff, but cut down the engines from 5.7 to 4 litres.

And that wing looks like it will do jack s**t. Supposedly they were only planning on having the wing at Sears Pt, Watkins Glen, Bristol and the superspeedways but now it's everywhere.

they cannot go to fuel injection from all that i have heard and read. to hard to enforce the rules, makes room for t/c, would just create a mess....there is nothing wrong with the engines of nascar, they make enough hp, and they cant get much higher with the current config because its so precisly engineered, so nascar doesnt have to worry about teams finding 5mph over a season and going to fast to be safe, if we started over with fi (beyond the fact it would cost billions to do) keeping the speeds in check would be near impossible

Quote from ev0 :

Why do they have to give those cars such ugly BIG backsides? Even if it did improve aerodynamics, I still don't know whether it is worth creating such an ugly image of the cars they are supposed to resemble. :scared:

Saftey..nascar isnt about the cars anymore..brands maybe, but the cars dont sell cars anymore so the manufactures and nascar dont seem to care anymore lol

Quote from Fischfix :

i am not quite sure at the moment about the technical restrictions to these "wings" but i've seen several pictures now and it looks like they are not always on the same place or sometimes higher above the rear and sometimes they are not... do you know more about that.

and yep, it should have been into general racing talk... sorry.. maybe someone can move this *g*

with paint on it, it does not look THAT different though:
http://www.jayski.com/schemes/2006/COT.htm
despite the wing and the splitter. (okay they are higher as well and slower... but... with paint on them...)

BTW, to that cost thing:
COT - Did You Know? from a David Newton article at ESPN.com:
Did you know NASCAR will pay for the rear wings used on the new Car of Tomorrow, then distribute them at the track and collect them after each race?

Yup, just like restrictor plates and any other standard part like that.

Most drivers don't like the car, not because of looks or anything like that, but because when they tested it didnt drive well in traffic, granted its hard to tell how a car will really do before they actually put it in race mode.

In the end, it is safer, and it is what they will be using even if it takes time to get used to.


BTW the wing...its adjustable via angle and wicker bills, on all tracks besides the restrictor plate tracks, because they are going to put an obnoxious high angle in it to add a lot of drag, in return they are making the plates much bigger so hopefully they will breathe easier.

A. this should probably be in general or racing talk

B. as a diehard nascar fan and supporter...these are the ugliest cars ever, not the splitter or the wing, its the god awful grilles and headlights, so oddly placed! But at least nascar is finnaly making some modern progress.

I used to be the whole time, now just starts and close racing...mostly due to my dial up, hate to lag into anyone

Quote from Pig :

YESSSSSSSsssssss


Er, Sam...

Is it ok if we use it on other forums too, and not only to our sites (especially if we dont have any?)

It is something that might attract other people to STCC, but on the other hand it will take up some bandwith (allthough a little, since the bar is small).
I just feel i have to ask

i'm pretty sure, im using it on two other boards

Quote from Bob Smith :

Well presumably they were dumb enough to buy a Skyline.

ouch

Quote from Bob Smith :

Where's the "I beat you all to it" option?

front rear

I admit I'm not one for wearing these ones out casually, I could manage that with something a little subtler. Hmm. /me ponders

those are pretty dang cool though

as a 56ker, my connection drops out less..but i do notice more stutter on pit and starts, but overall improvement

I think the racing is generaly better in the STCC servers than in others...and im sure it only gets better as you progess through the ranks. I bet those moon dust guys rock :P

Quote from Goop :

... and to continue the above thought: I don't think trailbraking is the sort of thing you need worry about when learning to drive LFS. Concentrate more on getting on the gas as early as possible, rather than maximizing braking. There's much more to be gained by getting up it early :cyclops:

Sincerely,
goop
Current holder of precisely zero (0) WRs.
(but I'm competitive, honest :shy

yes for someone new to road racing learning to brake before the corner is first priority, many times you see people trying to brake too late which means by the time you hit your turn in spot you are still trying to slow down, totaly ruins your line, lot of oval racers that try road racing have that problem (been there, done that)

Gene Rally!!!