Just finished Downloading GT5 time trial as known in N.A. With G25 at hand, will GT meat my expectations? Or will it become my next new sim?

Quote from amp88 :

You can also use Ctrl+right click to copy the value of a slider and Shift+right click to paste that value into another slider - source.

Oh! SO HELPFUL! I have been transferring gearing to different setups the hard way for a long time.

I think the title is a better suggestion than the suggestion. I would like to have notes for my setups

The total liters are given in the info section. Just figure out the percent and you'll have what you want.

I usually base my ride height by how stiff the suspension is. It is not necessary to know how high the car specifically, as long as the car doesn't bottom out and I have the right weight distribution.

I by convince you mean suggest at gunpoint, then... lets see.... that is....... none for me.

In defense. This is just speculation, for non PC sim-racing population in the United States there are only two racing games that exist. They are: Gran Turismo and, more recently, Forza. I do not doubt that if PC sim-racing became widespread in the United States there would only be more requests to GT for damage and rolloverability.

Not what you were expecting was it?

I think weeding out the NFS crowd is not a bad thing. especially since there will now be online racing.

Don't let is spread too much. Otherwise it'll close down just like other sites have.

There is supposed to be a demo released on the 17th, right?

Quote from thisnameistaken :

..Most laws are bullshit though aren't they? By the way I lived in your country illegally for three years.

IMO some laws are and some laws are not. That doesn't give me or anyone else the right to break the laws I don't like.

I am not surprised that you got away with it. There are many, obviously illegal, immigrants standing out side a Home Depot that are left alone.

You guys think I am racist? I guess I have been conveying the wrong message.

I was pointing out the positive traits of prejudice that exist in all animals, including humans. I have never sided with racism. I agree that racism is result of misconceptions and there is no justification for it.

As for immigration, I am fine with legal immigration. But giving Amnesty to people who have entered illegally is what I am against. I don't care what race immigrates, as long as it is legal. Breaking the law is breaking the law.

It is apparent there is a misunderstanding of the definitions, and different uses of words. But it is definitely not on my end.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

... but surely nobody could be that lonely.

You shouldn't be surprised, I am a lurker, what should you expect? Whenever I am at my computer I am waiting excitedly for a post in this very thread.

On topic: I have stated my original intentions of posting that "bullocks' hypothetical situation. So the discussion can continue.

Last edited by legoflamb, Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:17.

Quote from xaotik :

That translates as "there are two people in two separate rooms and one of them is a homicidal sociopath who daily enjoys cannibalistic delicacies and the other is not, take a pick". If you play it out well you might escape with a missing ear and an Anthony Hopkins autograph which you can forever refer to as an otograph hoping for that extra snicker.

That is not considered a translation. What you have written is your interpretation of my hypothetical situation. To translate and to interpret do not inherently mean same thing.

I have repeated this before(in less words): My example is used to show basic prejudice, toward a situation presented, that is most commonly answered the same because the answer is rather obvious. It is not applicable to a direct reflection on people.

The way you have interpreted it shows your prejudice toward people who think differently to you on this subject. You jump to the conclusion that I refer the tigers to people, and cannot accept a different interpretation other than you own.

Your statement is moot.

Edit:The uses of logical fallacies is more evidence of an argument loosing its merit. Stop using the "red herring" in discussions. Calling me "legofman" is an example. You are deterring from the actual forward progression of the discussion by creating humorous distractions that have no purpose.

This constant misinterpretation is now seeming to be deliberate as I have explained my point in posting my hypothetical situation. This use of the "straw man" fallacy is going nowhere, as it does not refer to the position I am supporting. I have resorted to defending myself from personal attacks and I will continue until someone proposes a true rebuttal.

Last edited by legoflamb, Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:08.

Quote from der butz :

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Firstly, I am not white. Secondly, My use of the word amnesty was wrong. I did not direct it to the purpose I had intended. However, it seems you had understood the way I have used it, since you are correcting me for using it wrong. Thirdly, nowhere in my statements have I argued where people should belong.

Quote from Shotglass :

preconceived means you form an oppinion without any prove for it
in all of your (rather stupid i might add) examples theres ample evidence and prove to go along with the reactions you claim to be prejudiced
eg in the tiger example you know one of them is wild which given a probablity of 50% of entering a room with a wild cornered (any room would be small for something as huge as a tiger) carnivore makes not entering in the first place a well informed decision not one based on no evidence whatsoever
for the tiger example to be one of prejudice youd have to have never seen or even heard of a tiger or any other cat for that matter before and not have been infromed on the difference between the two
youd also have to make sure the person doesnt see either the fangs or the claws of the tiger which are a dead giveaway that youre dealing with a carnivore here

to make it simple that even you might understand it... last time i checked africans latinos asians and whoever else didnt have fangs or claws... not on a general basis anyway
given that some of those regions are mostly inhabitated by poor people theres a good chance however that theyll have bad teeth... not unlinke brits

equally you learn from a young age that yellow and red are colours used on warning signs and thus your reaction is entirely based on previous experience with a very common theme in signage

(sarcasm)When I see Africans, Latinos, and Asians I see fangs and claws. Maybe we live on a different planet.(/sarcasm)

Please keep the discussion on track. Using the red herring tactic is evidence of an argument loosing its merit. I rather like this one, I'd like it to continue.

I was never comparing the tigers to people. I addressed this in an earlier post.

Quote from legoflamb :

Edit: I was never comparing the tigers with people. It was the "plain to see" prejudice, that is agreed upon by most people, that I was referring to.

Apparently this discussion is about the meanings of words rather than the subject its self.

Opinion:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/opinion

An opinion is formed based on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. On the subject of the tigers no prejudice could be formed with out some information, no matter how insufficient that information is. How can someone base an opinion without any knowledge, regardless of how factual, on the subject.


I agree prejudice is learned from previous experiences, or from ill informed culture, family members, peers, and anyone else that my have an influence in a person's life.

Again, I was never comparing the tigers to people. I addressed this in an earlier post.

Last edited by legoflamb, Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:36. Reason : kjhv bfunkynnfuy

I have seen the definition. I don't see any problems with the way I have used the word prejudice. There is no problem with 'preconceived' in the definition of prejudice nor does it conflict with the way I have used it.

Quote from Shotglass :

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i suggest you look up what prejudice actually means
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/prejudice

Look at definition #2.

My point: Regardless of how much someone denies having prejudices, they will still have underlying prejudices toward things without having to think about it. It is a survival instinct that all animals have. Those that didn't have it are dead. For example, the Galapagos Islands. Animals there had never seen human beings. When people went there the animals did not avoid them like they do in major populated areas. These animals were easy to hunt, so now most of them are dead.

The bio-hazard sign is a perfect example of prejudice. Firstly, the color yellow is synonymous to caution. People have seen images contained in yellow triangles that refer to relevant dangers like ice on the road or traffic signals. Secondly, the image in the center of the sign. Most people have seen these in movies, if not in real life. In the movie there is usually some sort of carcinogenic material that is shown to be dangerous. Someone can reasonably assume that most yellow signs seen on the road are warnings for dangers that may not be apparent.

These signs are meant to be understood without any though. Without prejudice, those signs could mean anything. May be it's artwork for bored motorists to be entertained in traffic. Or they could be a continuous comic strip that will make sense after you have seen them all. I highly doubt either of those are true.

My previous example is plain to see. In that situation most people would decline entering either room. However, just because something isn't obvious doesn't mean a danger isn't there.

Prejudice goes hand in hand with the saying " It is better to be safe than sorry."

Edit: I was never comparing the tigers with people. It was the "plain to see" prejudice, that is agreed upon by most people, that I was referring to.

Last edited by legoflamb, Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:57. Reason : Eohfgohagh

Quote from thisnameistaken :

Oh no I get it.

Basically, black people are like tigers, and 50% of them will kill you on sight and the other 50% wont, so it's too dangerous to introduce yourself to them in case you get a bad one.

Right?

You are 100% correct kev. I thank you for conveying my words the way I could never have done on my own. It seems like you got the right idea.

It is not meant to be good. It is just meant to get a point across. And if you don't get the point then it is not for you.

Here is a little something on prejudice.

There are two tigers in two separate rooms. It is given that one of them has been well trained and the other is wild. However, it is not know which one is well trained and which is not.

Would you enter either of the rooms because it would be prejudice to tigers if you didn't try to greet the one that is safe to be around? You haven't met either of the tigers, how could judge either of them without ever meeting one?

Quote from BlueFlame :

.... if these people don't culturally intergrate then they don't deserve to be here. Groups of Foreign people that only mix with themselves is one of these problems. They need to mix, the more the mix the more children will learn how to adapt to other cultures therefore we gain one unified culture, instead of this bullshit segregation because white folk hate the blacks and the Muslims won't intergrate and ruin the whole trust we have in them by plotting terrorism.

Amnesty is BS. Especially when there are already problems caused by such amnesty within the nation.

I completely agree. This is the one of the main reasons the my country is falling to S#!t.

Having a level head is now considered being a nut job, a bar of reverse prejudice has been rapidly rising through out many nations, if not all. As soon as some one makes any inferences towards not liking someone, and they happen to be foreign, then its is prejudged by most that the original inference is racist. It is most commonly known as pulling out "the racial card." This has become the norm.

Last edited by legoflamb, Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:13.

The fact that I am alive shows that I do in fact eat. But then again this could be a very complex spambot.

That is why I've been trolling this thread lately.

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