Quote from BlueFlame :

Johnny don't listen to them, they just don't admit when things are wrong.
LFS isn't the most realistic game , they leave THAT for GPL.

Watch me get flamed by LFS fanboys... i bought the game didn't i? leave me alone

lol

Did you even read what people were saying, BlueFlame, or are you just trying to play the martyr now .

Quote from Avatar13 :

Going toward turn 1 while jockeying for position I am often sent flying off the course from the AI if I don't get into the lead right from the start, and this is starting in the first position. Has been a bit frustrating at times. Could just be my poor driving but I find it very noticeable in regards to what Johnny is talking about.

Could also just be the poor driving of the AI. They do tend to hit you quite hard sometimes and thus indeed send you flying off the course, which is annoying but not due to the collision system.

Quote from ldriver :

The uf 1000 has a strange bumper to bumper reaction , many times the cars will "glue" to each other .Other cars are better but need improvements.

Very true. I noticed this on the ufy many times. It feels as though the bumpers get caught with each other. I find that much more annoying than the occasional overly harsh reaction to gentle nudges (happens very, very rarely to me).

Welcom to LFS, Johnny Vet Boy B!

You're right, the collision system is not as good as it should be, but it actually shouldn't be as bad as you describe it. Not usually at least. Were you on a laggy server maybe?

Have fun!

Quote from sgt.flippy :

Although I'm not American, I can't see the sarcasm in tristan's post.

I think this sentence does not make sense. It should read: "Although I'm American, I can see sarcasm in Tristan's post". (But that doesn't make any sense in the context at hand)

You know, reading Tristan's post over and over again, I think you could be right. Maybe I was just mislead by the wording of the introduction which seems to be utterly disproportional to Nuse's "offence":

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In a flagrent display of power-mongering ...

But maybe that's just due to Tristan's natural tendency to exaggerate and this is in fact supposed to be a serious discussion about forum-freedom? Who knows?

Hm, I'm not sure what to vote. On the one hand I have absolutely nohing against J.B. having an avatar. On the other hand however, I hate freedom. So if I voted "Yes, it's unfair", I'd feel like having voted that I sort of like freedom, which hasn't is not and never will be the case. Also, I think fairness is overall irrelevant in a privately run forum and in Life. So would it be possible to have a third option saying, something like: "I don't car if it's fair or not and even though I hate freedom I wouldn't mind if J.B. got his avatar back".

Am I the only one thinking that Tristan's post was meant to be tongue in cheek? Hello?

I'm a little late for this thread and I think it will dribble out soon, but I've read it all and feel like posting a couple of things.

1. Denying talent is imho denying evolution. And denying evolution is only for creationists.

2. Lep, if you're so concerned with your talent (even though you seem to think there is no such thing as talent in the sense of being gifted) because you want to become a racer in real life, you really shouldn't let it get to you that you might not be the fastest racer in LFS. It's not nearly the same as rL racing. Just because someone is fast in LFS certainly doesn't mean he's equally fast in real life. And somebody who's only fast in LFS can still be the fastest in real Life. Don't want to go into it, but real danger and how you cope with it, is just one important factor. So go out there and try to become a real racer if that's your dream. Seems you're young enough to still have a good chance.

3. And just to give this a totally different spin: Talent is nothing to be proud of. Being good at something because you've got talent is easy. Somebody who's good at something for which he has no talent at all deserves respect. The talented you can only envy.

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(I love this smiley. You can put it behind even the cheesiest post and make it totally acceptable. Is there any way to remove this smiley for public use and reserve it exclusively for me? Victor?)

As people have pointed out, what makes a sim believable is mostly the feedback you get through the steering wheel. For me LFS was the best in that regard even in S1 days. I felt instantly at home with it. With rFactor I didn't at all. The RealFeel plugin has changed that a bit but not quite as drastically as I was hoping. I think part of the reason for that is that I'm still failing to get the right ffb-settings. And this is, imho, a big shortcoming of rFactor. In order to get the ffb to feel the way it's supposed to, you seem to have to fiddle with the ini-settings quite a lot. That shouldn't be necessary.

The problem with finding the right track/car combination for rFactor to feel believable is a similar one. All I basically want to do is race the Nordschleife in rFactor, but sadly the RealFeel plugin doesn't seem to work too well on it. On other tracks and with the proper mod the feeling is actually quite nice, as BuddhaBing pointed out. So I'm more or less out of luck if the Lupo Cup on the Nordschleife is my combo of choice .

Well, as to the OP, which was actually about physics: Who knows how well rFactor/LFS physics actually are in comparison. I'd guess they're both not bad. Each have their ups and downs, but only with LFS do I get an overall consistent believable feeling no matter which car or track I drive.

I sure hope the system you're working on will not give the impression of hovering 10 feet above the track looking through a bubble of five inches of fibreglass.

I think Scawen should implement a few more options. Along with the "forced cockpit view" there should be "forced chase view", "forced wheels view", "forced heli cam", "forced TV cam" and "forced custom view". If those options were implemented, nobody could complain .

It's funny, but even though I usually enjoy SO tracks most in online racing, I'd like BL most in real life. And that's not so much because it's less dangerous than SO, it's the athmosphere, I think. Imho it suits track days or racing at club level best.

Quote from Maelstrom :

Some racer's fantasy (including myself) I guess! Never read anything from the devs about it

It is (or maybe: was) more than racer's fantasy. In 2005, the devs gave teamnic an interview and Eric there stated that they had been approached by a "well-known rally-team" and that, "if everything goes to plan then we will have something interesting that rally fans can look forward to."

As of now it seems that not everything went to plan, but who knows.

Quote from kompa :

u shy?

me?

Thx .

Now, go get him, guys! I would join, but I can't find my muckrake right now...

I don't mean distract from the Phlos-hunt, but I have a question: Is there a place to download the layout without joining one of the servers?

Quote from Gunn :

Most members these days wouldn't know that you have made some of the finest skins LFS has seen, Linsen. Do you feel that "LX tingle" in your skinning fingers?

Thx a lot, at least I'm not completely forgotten .

And I will know if I still got it as soon as I start -- competition will be fierce on this one, I'm sure .

Great incentive! Too bad my driving is crap, but this might just get me skinning again -- after around one year of abstinence .

Quote from Bob Smith :

Scawen has said the next incompatible patch will contain both AI updates and collision detection updates, as well as what Bean0 mentioned, and all of Eric's work from the past year or so.

It should be a nice update.

Really sounds like an awesome patch (if it's true), but personally I don't expect that before fall of this year. And even that might be optimistic.

I think Juls' idea does seem interesting. But it's hard to tell without actually trying it .

Quote from Fischfix :

i wish modding and stuff would be possible with this game, but it won't happen (because not only the devs don't want it, but also lots of narrow minded people in lfs don't want it. and they'll fight against it until the bitter end...)

Who said it won't happen? I don't recall the Scaviers ever mentioning anything about making LFS not moddable -- for all I know, they won't until S3 is finished (which is not only the right, but the only logical and sensible decision). And whatever comes after S3, nobody knows -- probably not even the Scaviers.

And please don't call people narrow minded just because they happen not to share your views, thx.

Nice vid, but the shoes accompanied by the tennis-socks really ruin it .

I don't know what you have in mind, Maggot, but from my experience training the AI is really a waste of time right now. The thing is, if you train them for a considerable amount of laps, they'll be much faster in the end than they were in the beginning of the session (But only as long as they don't reset). And as soon as you start a new session, the AI is worse than ever before, because it's trying to use the previously learned line and speeds -- but obviously that doesn't work on cold tires. So, the AI nowadays is actually worse than it was in S1, imho .

Quote from felplacerad :

Heh, are you sure that isn't the damage model playing tricks on you?

Unless the car was damaged prior to race start, yes, I'm sure .

Quote from Bawbag :

It's not going to give you a good lap time? Ok, go drive blackwood XFG and cut through the pitlane, I guarantee it will knock about 3 tenths off what your origional time would have been.

Are we talking about simply cutting across the yellow lines on pit entrance/exit? If so, why should this render your hlvc invalid? Afaik, this is allowed in rL racing .

And we'll probably get an insane influx of new players once S2 final is released -- whenever that will be.

I also had a minor graphical glitch, which I don't think I ever had before patch X4 (see attached pic). Only happened once after installing x4 and starting a new online game. I wasn't able to reproduce it, so maybe it's nothing, but since other people reported graphical errors, I figured it couldn't hurt to post it (maybe it's related to the PlateHandle-thingy?).