yup, with the exception of this occasion, all other drivers we've seen racing for quite some time, and have been well known to us. The only person thats been 'signed' without too much being known about them was our last member, Fox2, and bawbag had raced with him a couple of times in events, and it wasnt a decision made over a couple of hours with half the team having no knowledge of them etc.
Theres only so much double checking you can do, and i dont think there was much more we could have done short of not signing him, and someone certainly would have because plenty were asking. As i said, not sure what the final hurdle was that brought him down, but we'd already seeked assurance from a mod on this forum, and a teammate from AMBs now ex-team we felt we could trust, and i was ready to install additional checks to detect additional/unusual activity on our forum.
Oh well, were coming up to our 4 year Anniversary on Thursday, i'd say our record of driver signings speaks for itself, and the results back that up.
We're more than just a group of drivers, more like a (dysfunctional
) family, and 1 person certainly wont change that.Im sure they dont give away IP addresses, which i why i never asked for any IP addresses from them, but i would happily provide them with one in order to get more details about them.
Besides, i dont need an IP for that, i could just ask a forum mod if they can look at mBah's post IPs and see if the same IP has been used for another username, this is something i can do on our forum, but i dont have the user database like here.
I provided the IP address, as taken from mBah's registration to our forum, and asked for it to be double checked for duplicate forum accounts. Bob confirmed, however it doesnt mean too much, just that our suspicions could well be true, however we simply couldnt confirm it was 1 person, 2 accounts, or 2 people, 2 accounts, 1 computer.
We couldnt come straight out with 'are you AMB' because for 1, if he denied it which he could easily, just by saying he's a mate, we had no answer. Secondly it'd mean he knew we were watching him, so we werent asking too obvious questions (although IMO still too many not to p*ss off geniune new LFSers/new members) just ones we felt we could use to get a better assessment and at least ease our doubts.
At the same time, if he was genuine, we dont want to p*ss them off on the first day, with little/no proof.
At the moment, i dont know the real reason behind why 'mBah' decided to make his confession, but my guess is because Bawbag or one of the lads rumbled him rather than any guilty concience.
To be honest, it was mostly a case of seeing an opportunity of getting a new lfs racer who knows how to drive, just hasnt applied himself to LFS yet, and getting in there before others did.
We're not stupid, he seemed too good to be true (in terms of his claimed potential, with no experience in LFS) and worth taking a chance. When we've signed other drivers, i've set their site account up straight away as its a 2sec job (which i never did, because of our doubts) and i wasnt overly impressed this thread was started or the news put on our site, when we could hold off a while longer, but i wasnt around at the time or aware they were being done.
We've never done this before (as i think the original post says) for an unknown/unproven racer, and from the offset we had suspicions which is why i PM'd Bob about 3hrs after mBah put the wings on.
As Rooble said, it hasnt cost us anything (wasted a few hours of my day though) and it hasnt tarnished our name, we'll carry on as normal.
My guess is AMB/mBah will disappear, and he'll buy another new account in order to play hassle free. Im sure the dev's appreciate another £50 though, courtesy of AMB and his 48hr prank which acheived nothing.
For someone wanting to improve their standard of driving, by learning from the likes of drivers in our team or another team, i wouldnt say he's done too well from it really, hardly prank of the century is it, he's wasted a 2nd account he obviously bought for this use, and got himself kicked out of his original team, and if it provided fun for you Pearcy (or AMB/mBah), for the few hours you knew about it, congrats, but i wouldnt even bother MTV for Ashton Kutcher job
...and instead start to tarnish your name, without you having done anything wrong.
Cant say it comes as too much of a shock, we had your IP checked on this forum and our forum and it was confirmed then (Sunday morning) that there were 2 users using the same machine, the only thing we couldnt confirm was whether it was 1 or 2 people.
Over TS we were saying it all seemed too good to be true, that someone with so little experience would be able to pick LFS up quick enough, and put in decent times already, but how do you go about checking something like that...
As a newbie to LFS there was clearly potential, not so much when you known the combo's for ages.
'Southwood' was the first thing that seemed BS, but i guess half the reason for this confession comes from the fact that it must have been obvious by all the questions we kept asking you, like is your middlename Aston
I spent 2-3hrs last night messing about installing an IP logger to detect multiple IPs accessing the same forum account, so i cant say i appreciate losing that time when im already have issues keeping me from doing other more important projects and have even been staying off msn the last week just to remove distractions & interuptions.
Oh well, hope you enjoyed the tags while you wore them.
Well said Blade, thank god some people accept defeat rather than going all bitter and blaming everyone else.
Some lesser people would blame the referee, claim they were the better team despite having only 1 shot on target in 120 minutes, which was put on a plate for them.
Chin up ey! Over £300m on players, the biggest game in the clubs history, and just 1 shot on target. Thats the stuff European champions are made of that is.
btw, those rules you outlined they are in rulebook, seriously!
Look up crowding the referee every time theres a decision to be made, and its okay if your in a Chewsee shirt, and then look at the rule below it, thats it right there! infact, if you look underneith the Utd rule, theres also the rule about chewsee being fine to hoof the ball from one end of the pitch to the other letting it go out for a throwing near the goal line (twice! despite Utd playing the first one straight to A.Coles feet) but the instance someone else does it, its okay to all crowd and bully him.
Theres plenty of these rules which nobody ever seems to notice isnt there, its like the one about Liverpool being fine to field crap (intentionally crap
) teams before big games if it means sod all to them, regardless of the fact that it has major significance to the team being given the 3pts. 2 seasons, Fulham have been saved from relegation on the last day of the season, the 3pts picked up against a weakend Scouse side kept them in the Premiership, but the rules say its perfectly okay, not unfair to the other teams they've actually made an effort against, and we all get on with it.I dont know why, but part of me (the stupid parts i guess) kinda feel sorry for Chelsea, they played a fairly entertaining game instead of their traditional boring snoozefest game, they had their chances to win the game, and nobody deserves to lose on penalties, particularly in the way it happened... But a far larger part of me says good, i hate the Scousers considerably more, and i can admire Arsenals play (when they're not fouling people), but Chelsea play intentionally dull football, but at least both of them (LFC & AFC) got to where they are through their own success on the pitch, like United, and not through someones open checkbook in a way that is effectively cripling the club because it'll never be able to manage itself if the checkbook suddenly closed. Madrid are the same, having their debts wiped constantly and land being freely given to the club to train on, then a few years later conveniently being bought back at a stupidly inflated rate, magically giving them a huge profit.
There are significant elements of the way United is run which i hate as a ST holding manc, but the wages account for ~50% of the profit made just like all but a few of Prem teams (Chelsea & Newcastle being 2) and players purchased are done so from competition money, tv money, and ticket sales.... no different to any other traditional club. Maybe a lot of our success is bought, but its bought with our (utd) money, made from our success.
O/T:
Isnt it funny how United fans were up in arms when the Glazers wanted to buy United, borrow hundreds of millions while putting in a fraction of the money themselves, and once purchased, moving the debt off their heads and into the clubs name instead, putting a hugely profitable club (£20m/yr profit, after signings etc) into hundreds of millions of debt. FA's fair and proper check says thats all fine and dandy.
Ticket prices went up over 50% in the first 2 years, the 2nd year of which all ST holders were forced to purchase tickets for EVERY competitive home game, if they didnt want it, they could sell the ticket on a somehow legalised ticket touting website the club would profit off.
United fans, still not happy with their owners.
Liverpool fans welcome anyone they're stupid enough to wave a few quid at, ploughing debt into their club. FA's fair and proper check says thats smashing.
Both owners soon start slagging each other off, refusing to agree on transfers & policies, create unrest within the club, and it generates plenty of negative publicity about them.
Liverpool fans apparently arent too impressed with their wonderful owners these days.
Man City fans start partying when someone comes along claiming to be putting millions into transfers, CL football and everything else they're stupid enough to believe. FA's fair and proper check doesnt mind the reports of the abuse of human rights, nor the fact that his finances had been frozen due to corruption charges.
Shinawatra has laughably claimed to be bringing in Ronaldinho in the summer, is all set to sack their most successful manager since the premiership began, and has basically put the whole squad up for sale and plenty of their players are more than happy to get the heck out. Solicitors still havent recieved payments for the clubs purchase almost a year ago, and no real money has been spent on players despite claims of tens of millions in the kitty.
City fans apparently feel differently about their new owners.
Its a funny game isnt it, you just cant help some people, its only when the reality hits home of what you've actually stood by and allowed to be done to YOUR club, that you realise what a prat you've been.
I guess there are a lot of people like that, who's team is incapable of mounting a realistic challenge for the league title, and have been 'turning the corner' so many times they're getting dizzy.
Here here! Wouldnt it be great seeing Phil Neville lifting a major trophy at Goodison!
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Before he took the penalty i was PLEADING with him to take his double run up. Every penalty i can remember him taking he's done that, and then this season, then against West Ham he didnt do it, Green knocks it away, Barcelona - it goes wide. Those are the only 2 times i can remember Ronaldo ever taking a 'conventional' style penalty, for the last 5 years in United or Portuguese colours, he's ran, paused, looked for the keepers reaction, and stuck it into a corner.
So dozens scored with the method, one saved.... i'd hardly call it unsuccessful, and it hasnt let him down before, and he's taken plenty of big penalties, incl one that knocked England out of Euro 06. He can keep taking them ahead of every other Utd player for my money, he doesnt shirk the responsibility, he's so full of himself he doesnt for one second seem to think he could miss, and scores them far more often than a keeper saves or he misses, and how many times have you seen players making that walk and you know they're heads screwed up under the pressure.
not a hope in hell, give him 3 more season and 3 more doubles, then he'll quit.
I supposed you'll still be turning the corner by then, round and round in circles getting nowhere
1 shot on target, coming from a 35 yard shot which was deflected twice, before becoming a sitter for Fwank 'It went in of the defender on the way in' Lampard.... robbed, absolutely robbed. Poor old chewseee
I supposed you'll still be turning the corner by then, round and round in circles getting nowhere
1 shot on target, coming from a 35 yard shot which was deflected twice, before becoming a sitter for Fwank 'It went in of the defender on the way in' Lampard.... robbed, absolutely robbed.
Poor old chewseeeMy guess is he felt a damn sight better than half the people here when Terry hit the post
I thought the pitch was still shocking, it was pretty clear to see from most players close ball control that it was rather unpredictable at times, with the odd bobble and that spoiled a lot of the football that could have been on display.
Still, I thought it was a very good game, United should have been 3-0 up and buried the game in the first 30-35min, then a pair of bad deflections and Lampard the deflection maestro himself seems to find the ball at his feet and VDS crawling all over the floor just let them back into the game for half time when it should have been done & dusted, name on the trophy time.
2nd half was all Chelsea for the first 30min, United came back in the latter stages. 2 posts hit, bit of a lucky escape, but then so is having your CM being stupid enough to hit shots straight at the goalie, maybe he couldnt see him in his fluorescent orange top?
Terry getting his noggin onto a toe-poked shot from Giggs again saved them, but it ended with penalties.
I dont think theres anyone who likes them, they go hand in hand with play-acting, shirt tugging and ref crowding as things that are sh!t about footie.
Im suprised only 1 was missed, and 2 were saved out of the 14 taken, there were definately a couple from the Utd lot i had my doubts about (infact, probably all but Ronaldo!).
It was a shame about the scrap at the end of injury time, frankly that whole incident was an embarrasment, twice Utd kicked the ball out to touch for injuries while in possession and a right to play on, both times Chelsea hoofed the ball down the other end of the field for a throw in. Chelsea kicked the ball out twice, the first time (the 2nd time in the game it'd been kicked out for injuries) United gave the ball back, was passed along the ground to iirc A.Cole's feet, the second time (4th in the game) Tevez knocks the ball out for a throw in, about 5-10 yards from where the throw-in was taken. Apparently thats not the sporting thing to do, and Tevez should be harrassed and shoved about?
For me, Ballack should have been booked, and as wrong as what Drogba did, and the rules back up the red card, for me it wasnt as bad as Ballacks actions because he came running in as the 2nd man shoving Tevez and sparked the whole incident. I really dont like Drogba, probably in the same way many dont like Ronaldo, for the play acting, his ability to out-muscle some of the best defenders in the world yet be made of polystyrene when he gets a tap, and his 'everyone is against me' look when the ref see's it all (as i say, very little difference to plenty of footballers, incl Ronaldo), but i feel sorry for him, it was a stupid thing to do, done in the heat of the moment, all out of the insistance that Utd dont copy Chelsea's attitude of 'go fetch this' for a sporting gesture.
I dont think Chelsea did enough to claim they were the best team, they had good spells and times when they looked disinterested, they had some luck in the equaliser, and 2 shots unfortunate to hit the post. I also dont think United can claim they were the better team, similar story, different halves. A well worked goal and 3 clear chances to put the ball away, shot straight at a Chelsea player.
I'd have taken the result over the performance, as anyone would, but it was nice to actually see a fairly decent game of football between the 2 sides (or any other game incl Chelsea) because they have a tendancy to drain them of entertainment and bore out games. Thankfully there was very little of that.
I have no care in the world for Chelsea, before RA they were fine when they were winning the odd FA Cup etc, since he turned up id quite happily see them lose, they cant really finance what they're doing, and i dont like that aspect (incidentally, i'd have been reasonably happy for Arsenal to win the league, they play football how it should be played... most of the time), but its a sh!t way to lose out in such a big occasion, nobody deserves that, and even though he can be a cnut at times, it was hard on JT, i wonder if he'll be hounded and blamed like Beckham was for his identical penalty slip which saw England go out
Pearcy you JLC, Chelsea & Arsenal bonfire?.... deary me. What next? 'if you hate Tottenham clap your hands'?
Obladi Oblada, Man United, European Champions!!
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:trophy_siI havent had a solid sleep pattern for at least 5 years, dont have a fixed job so do as i please really, if it wasnt for going to ze football (CHAMPIONS!! AGAIN!) i'd probably be living on 28hr days, like 20hrs awake, 8hrs sleep, but the footie always gets in the way especially when Sky insist on switching games to noon (we've had maybe 15 home 3pm Saturday KO's in the last 3-4 years, couple seasons back we had 2 in 1 year! f*ck tradition for uncle ruppert).
I just suck myself into doing something even when I know I dont really have time for it and should be doing something im being paid to do, and I wonder why im always skint (even 'skint' seriously doesnt do it justice!). Ickle duckiepoos' is worth it though
I just suck myself into doing something even when I know I dont really have time for it and should be doing something im being paid to do, and I wonder why im always skint (even 'skint' seriously doesnt do it justice!). Ickle duckiepoos' is worth it though
Just for you duckiepoos...
Not 1, but 2 helmets, based on that design, but tweaked a little bit and some creative license added in there. I didnt like the green & yellow with the red & blues, it felt a little too much with so many vivid colours, so i went with just red and blues and then incorporated a little more aussie flag into the design (colours & stars), and then just as i was finished, and hitting the SIX hour mark, i decided i'd tweak it a little more and did an Aussie themed helmet to match the Aussie style Mercury FOX skin, swapping the reds for yellow & green which i'd earlier removed.
So, from 00:23, to 07:13
, without any break... not exactly quick work i know, and probably should have been spent doing various other things (not least sleeping!) but its still worth every sec for you mr duckiepoos
Now if only i could make a decent looking helmet for myself
hmm.... nicked
oh, i also have an alternative top section, with the line/mesh similar to the original design, and i can still tinker with the colours so they're like the original design if need be.
Not 1, but 2 helmets, based on that design, but tweaked a little bit and some creative license added in there. I didnt like the green & yellow with the red & blues, it felt a little too much with so many vivid colours, so i went with just red and blues and then incorporated a little more aussie flag into the design (colours & stars), and then just as i was finished, and hitting the SIX hour mark, i decided i'd tweak it a little more and did an Aussie themed helmet to match the Aussie style Mercury FOX skin, swapping the reds for yellow & green which i'd earlier removed.
So, from 00:23, to 07:13
, without any break... not exactly quick work i know, and probably should have been spent doing various other things (not least sleeping!) but its still worth every sec for you mr duckiepoos Now if only i could make a decent looking helmet for myself
hmm.... nicked oh, i also have an alternative top section, with the line/mesh similar to the original design, and i can still tinker with the colours so they're like the original design if need be.
Im pretty sure that anyone wanting to take part in the whole project still can, but they should go through the appropriate channels, and if they do want more people then they'll be accepted, if they dont want more testers then they wont appreciate unapproved and unknown people signing up.
Maybe they're fine with everyone knowing, but without knowing their feelings on it id say its best not to post this info, its one thing to acknowledge the arrival of something to do, but posting info sent to specific people should be avoided IMO (and also going off previous private beta groups, whether this specific task is public or private i dont know).
Better safe than sorry, dont want to get kicked out for something silly, could be some very exciting things ahead
Maybe they're fine with everyone knowing, but without knowing their feelings on it id say its best not to post this info, its one thing to acknowledge the arrival of something to do, but posting info sent to specific people should be avoided IMO (and also going off previous private beta groups, whether this specific task is public or private i dont know).
Better safe than sorry, dont want to get kicked out for something silly, could be some very exciting things ahead
You'll go far in the beta testing scene handing out Beta information like that, at Sony EU (and the others i'd imagine) you'd get kicked out without a seconds pause for something careless/thoughtless like that.
You dont find it a little stupid to start posting beta information into a public forum?
You dont find it a little stupid to start posting beta information into a public forum?
well what a joke of a race that was!
Whats the point of sending out a pace car who:
1) Falls asleep
2) Slows everyone down then parks up midway round the track
3) Slows everyone down again, then drives straight off the track at T1
4) Slows everyone down again, then tells the person who's crashed to shift+s and then drives into the pits with the hazard lights still flashing?
Absolute joke, completely ruined 90min of race, on top of the 1hr spent messing about because of the disorganisation beforehand. We highlight theres only 21 people and were in 2 servers, who cares. Then with 2min left of qual its 'oh, lets all go into the same server'.
80min of decent racing ruined because you insist on having these stupid rules which dont do anything but ruin peoples races. No organisation, no sense.
Thanks for wasting 3hrs of my day.
Whats the point of sending out a pace car who:
1) Falls asleep
2) Slows everyone down then parks up midway round the track
3) Slows everyone down again, then drives straight off the track at T1
4) Slows everyone down again, then tells the person who's crashed to shift+s and then drives into the pits with the hazard lights still flashing?
Absolute joke, completely ruined 90min of race, on top of the 1hr spent messing about because of the disorganisation beforehand. We highlight theres only 21 people and were in 2 servers, who cares. Then with 2min left of qual its 'oh, lets all go into the same server'.
80min of decent racing ruined because you insist on having these stupid rules which dont do anything but ruin peoples races. No organisation, no sense.
Thanks for wasting 3hrs of my day.
Hey Reinier,
Dunno if you ever did pop into our server while we were on there as suggested, thats about the only way anyone is likely to be able to judge someone unless they're reputation kinda speaks for itself etc.
I dont think theres any harm in initially requesting only contact from decent & established teams, theres far too many 4 week teams in LFS, here today gone tomorrow. The established teams have a proven track record, and if your a capable driver used to driving in the big events like MoE then joining a new team with no history or reputation means you've got very little chance of getting invited into MoE. In about 3 weeks time we (Mercury) willl have been in LFS for 4 years, these days its an acheivement lasting the first year and i can fully understand people wanting to move to a team which is settled, thats not to say a new team cant make it, its just got the hardest part ahead of it, rather than behind it thats all.
Good luck finding someone that meets your level dedication Koopa, im pretty sure you'll find plenty who are willing to take a look at you, dunno if Jonesy ever got round to that or not, but im sure you'll be settled in somewhere in no time.
PaulC2K
Dunno if you ever did pop into our server while we were on there as suggested, thats about the only way anyone is likely to be able to judge someone unless they're reputation kinda speaks for itself etc.
I dont think theres any harm in initially requesting only contact from decent & established teams, theres far too many 4 week teams in LFS, here today gone tomorrow. The established teams have a proven track record, and if your a capable driver used to driving in the big events like MoE then joining a new team with no history or reputation means you've got very little chance of getting invited into MoE. In about 3 weeks time we (Mercury) willl have been in LFS for 4 years, these days its an acheivement lasting the first year and i can fully understand people wanting to move to a team which is settled, thats not to say a new team cant make it, its just got the hardest part ahead of it, rather than behind it thats all.
Good luck finding someone that meets your level dedication Koopa, im pretty sure you'll find plenty who are willing to take a look at you, dunno if Jonesy ever got round to that or not, but im sure you'll be settled in somewhere in no time.
PaulC2K
If Peckers in, i guess i better join in too
how can anyone answer that until all the teams have applied and numbers have been assigned? If only 10 of the 12 ahead of you turn up, you'd be 11th, so being 13th makes little difference right now, should they all turn up you'd be 14th, but im pretty sure everyone can wait the 5 months for it to be confirmed, not exactly a rush is there
Any chance of some confirmed results, rather than everything being premilinary, even the site has nothing since Q2. I've been waiting for it to be made official before posting anything on our site, but gave up last night seeing as it'd been 10 days and even BL6hr is still preliminary.
Any chance of some confirmed results, rather than everything being premilinary, even the site has nothing since Q2. I've been waiting for it to be made official before posting anything on our site, but gave up last night seeing as it'd been 10 days and even BL6hr is still preliminary.
Thanks for all the comments guys, its been a long season which started mid-August for us, doing some stints in XRR and FZR to decide which we prefered (i was convinced everyone would switch from FZR to XRR for this season tbh!).
Thanks and congrats to everyone who took part throughout the season, finishers and non-finishers, hopefully everyone will be back in full force for next season, and thanks again to the organisers.
Its not easy getting 2 teams out, it was a decision we took a while to come to, because its one thing having 6 people (2 teams of 3) for most races, its the 12hr and 24hr race which is a real ball-buster. You go from 6 drivers being enough, to really needing 9-12 drivers and i dont think there are many teams who have enough active teammates, let alone having with the ability to jump into both the cars for the biggest race of the season.
We had to borrow 2 drivers for the GT1 car (tried moving people over, but they were too stuck in the comfort zone of the GT2) of which PLehto did a 1hr stint around midnight.
I certainly hope you'll still be around in GT2 class, hopefully we'll give you a proper run for your money in the championship, though im not sure even 5 months is enough time to teach us not to make stupid pit-related mistakes
Thanks and congrats to everyone who took part throughout the season, finishers and non-finishers, hopefully everyone will be back in full force for next season, and thanks again to the organisers.
Its not easy getting 2 teams out, it was a decision we took a while to come to, because its one thing having 6 people (2 teams of 3) for most races, its the 12hr and 24hr race which is a real ball-buster. You go from 6 drivers being enough, to really needing 9-12 drivers and i dont think there are many teams who have enough active teammates, let alone having with the ability to jump into both the cars for the biggest race of the season.
We had to borrow 2 drivers for the GT1 car (tried moving people over, but they were too stuck in the comfort zone of the GT2) of which PLehto did a 1hr stint around midnight.
I certainly hope you'll still be around in GT2 class, hopefully we'll give you a proper run for your money in the championship, though im not sure even 5 months is enough time to teach us not to make stupid pit-related mistakes
Surely U mean 'shitting ourselves wondering if the tyres will go 2 laps longer than we'd want them to go, and if we'd even have the fuel to manage it' guys from mercury :P
Also, a kick in the knackers for Jonesy for the 'funny' comment of 'ive only got 3.1% left' with 3 laps to go
erm, no, problems being polite?
The other day you intentionally took 3 posts completely out of context and accused me of saying things i hadnt said, now you want to take another post completely out of context??
All im saying, is that isnt it possible its the same things, as its happened once before, no need to be insulting. Seems its okay for the organisers to purposely insult people round here and get away scott free.
Just another case of the 'Us vs Them' mentality i guess. One rule for some, another for others.
BBO@BSR
Apparently its no longer even required to even have the car number in your name, or your real name, someone drove round for a while with their LFS Name.
Yesterday someone missed the deadline for the race entry, which was extended by 1hr due to organising mistakes, and that didnt matter either, and it seems posts highlighting this were deleted
But logos on the other hand....
The other day you intentionally took 3 posts completely out of context and accused me of saying things i hadnt said, now you want to take another post completely out of context??
All im saying, is that isnt it possible its the same things, as its happened once before, no need to be insulting. Seems its okay for the organisers to purposely insult people round here and get away scott free.
Just another case of the 'Us vs Them' mentality i guess. One rule for some, another for others.
BBO@BSR
Apparently its no longer even required to even have the car number in your name, or your real name, someone drove round for a while with their LFS Name.
Yesterday someone missed the deadline for the race entry, which was extended by 1hr due to organising mistakes, and that didnt matter either, and it seems posts highlighting this were deleted
But logos on the other hand....
Wasnt that what you said to Bawbag before the race, despite the fact that LFSW had the correct skin and bawbag had the correct skin. Then later on, you said it was fine, which it was by the time i'd connected to double check myself.
Pecker, you tool, i said get the team up by tonight
#22 Mercury Racing GT2
GT2 XRR
Biohazard, Sebastian Möckel, Germany
rc10racer, Jonathon Pickard, England/United Kingdom
Fox 2, Anton Mironov, Russia
[Duck], Scott Andrews, Australia
#22 Mercury Racing GT2
GT2 XRR
Biohazard, Sebastian Möckel, Germany
rc10racer, Jonathon Pickard, England/United Kingdom
Fox 2, Anton Mironov, Russia
[Duck], Scott Andrews, Australia
Round 6 - Kyoto 6hr skins:
Bawbag wanted black, and seeing as performances on the track have been so contrasting, we figured our skins might as well be, so we have the Mercury Yin & Yang skins
Logo'd up and ready to come out and play
Bawbag wanted black, and seeing as performances on the track have been so contrasting, we figured our skins might as well be, so we have the Mercury Yin & Yang skins
Logo'd up and ready to come out and play
Yeah, and who's fault is that?
Of course its me & 3J, we've only been saying the same thing since post #2 and #5(ish) which you've now agree'd with. How dare we muddy this thread, people could have read the suggestion, but others ruined it and argued about it, made false insinuations ('If it comes down to getting a penalty or slightly marring the aesthetics of your skin, c'mon'), and made personal attacks ('go tell mummy') ... Instead of being arguementative, and assuming everything 'they' say is negative and wrong, maybe try to understand what's being suggested?
Oh, and stick 'Fun' in there as false insinuation #3 for DWB
Whatever happened to this rule where people would receive DT's for their actions on this forum?? THREE times my comments have been taken out of context, knowing full well they were, purely to score points. Very grown up, and another good example being set from an organiser.
The more organiser replies the more 'Us vs Them' it gets, this is pathetic, the fact that people racing in the series agree things could have been done far better, should tell you something. The fact that now your changing your stance on 'WILL' get a penalty says maybe its a little too harsh.
Unless you guys seriously think people will refuse to put the new logos on their cars, What good does giving people a DT do?
What is the most likely reason a team would have for not following the instructions? Not seeing them, of which little attempt was made to ensure they would, or at least far better could have been done.
Giving a DT doesnt help put skins on logos, what does is trying to make sure everyone knows because people are more than happy to comply. Instead all this silly decision does is ruin peoples races because they missed an last minute announcement.
We can understand things took longer than hoped to get things available, but i think you should understand that some people wont see warnings made 2 days before the race, when most people are practicing, when very little effort is made to highlighting the importance you hold in having these things on our cars. You guys want this, so unless you'd prefer to give out DTs, wouldnt it make more sense to do whatever you can to ensure people know. If they still ignore you, then i cant argue with those actions, but with so little effort made I feel people could miss this announcement.
I'll put money on the fact that they wont with all this bitching going on though
Also, if you needed further proof at just how ****ed up this incident is, you need look no further than the fact that 3J and myself actually agree on this! Even Nostradamus didnt predict this would ever happen!
Can or will makes a difference, when last week it was 'can' (aka wont) and this week its 'can' (aka bet your life we will). The rules imply possibility, a possibility you've been happy to let slide for 6 months, now its not a possibility, its a nailed on certainty.
There was very little attempt made to warn people, and thats why i was complaining about it to begin with, it was more about getting people to visit the MoE site, a site historicly of little use compared to this forum, somewhere you were chosing not to make this new rule public.
True, its our duty to look out for these warning, and thats why im kicking up a fuss, because theres very little effort being made to warn people of this. If i wanted i could quite easily ignore this and watch others trip up because no real announcement was made with such short notice, however i'd rather we have a proper race, not a mickey mouse one, end the series properly instead of re-creating the US GP from 2005 (coincidence seeing as were at an oval based track :razz
because nobody wants an uneven playing field, and allowing people to miss an important announcement would create that, which isnt in this series best interests, surely you can see that??What we're complaining about is the lack of warning, and utter contempt for the people your planning on penalising.
Im fairly sure that everyone taking part in MoE is more than happy to put the latest logos on, afterall there are plenty of posts before each race asking if theres a event logo for it, however rather than just asking people to switch logos, they're threatened with a DT penalty.
Unless you think people dont want to use the logos, exactly how does issuing a DT penalty help your causes? It doesnt magicly get logos on skins, it just pissed people off, especially if they didnt see a warning which was hardly informative! IMO your going completely the wrong way about things, instead treating people with contempt rather than asking them nicely. Given *2* (stop the ~3 BS please) days warning, for something you've been working on for over 30 days, known about for around 45-60 days, to be so bold as to chose to start punishing others for failing to see an extremely poor warning for the organisers, when you've made little attempt to warn them yourself, for such a petty little thing.
Surely you dont want to ruin the final race of the season for teams because they missed an poorly made announcement, and as ive said our skins were done on Sunday with the logos, I have nothing to worry about for our sake, but in the interest of keeping things sporting, i feel teams are being poorly treated.
As i say, people will put skins on cars if they know, make a decent effort to warn people and im sure it'll get done, particularly if you give reasonable time for everyone to see the announcement and act upon it, but threatening non-compliance with penalties because you've left things late... thats just not fair! All were asking for is a reasonable bit of warning, YOU want the logos on the car, thats what this is all about, so help us help you.
What really, is in the best interest of this series? Having some cars 30+ sec behind from the green flag due to not seeing the new/changed rule, or having a fair race and a fitting end to the season with the exact same % of cars missing the logo?? This implementation doesnt increase your chances of people using the logo, it just ruins races for those who dont see a poorly made last minute announcement. Its a race series at the end of the day, the less done to ruin that the better.
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