Finger slipping Dru?? accidently deleted it twice?
3rd time, if there requires a 4th then:
1) I PM everyone this post, should see that everyone reads it that way.
2) You find yourself a new website & forum, im not giving you free hosting, website & whatever AND having my freedom of speach revoked while you lie to everyone about what i have/havent done!
3) I hit 'reply' and post it again, and again till you leave it in place.
Is anything i've said a lie? Yet your happy to lie to them to save face, just like your happy to cheat, abuse the rules, modify the rules to suit yourself, and hide when running this supposedly fun series.
Its your call.
Unfortunately the organiser of this series couldnt be bothered updating things despite the time taken to get it ready for the series and the time spent explaining how to do all the stuff that they should be doing but ive been doing for them therefore it is not being updated.
If the organisers wish to use the site, its there, Dru knows how to use it and knows where i am if he doesnt know, basically they've left everything for me to do, he hasnt touched a thing (or delegated the tasks) despite my reminders to add the missing bits onto the site. Apparently the idea behind the project is lost on the organisers of this series, its intended to make their life easier by doing a good 75% of the work for them (Typically the complicated stuff, which they got wrong in 3 out of 4 of the rounds last time, the race points & standings), i've done EVERYTHING you see on that website, all they need to do is add a little news if they wish, but mainly upload the MPR files and the jobs done, but this seems to be too much to ask. If i wanted to run around finding these details then i'd have done a site purely for that and enter it all in manually, instead ive spent 6+ months coding something that caters for pretty much every series LFS can do, from 1 car & 1 standings type, to mixed classes, multiple divisions, mixed points rounds, as many races per round, as many rounds as you want, and leave it to calculate the standings relevent to the structure of the series you've just created. The alternative was html and doing it all by hand, instead im trying to make a site for the community to use free of charge, i've given up my time to help save their time, but apparently thats not enough and the reason the site isnt up to date is because i cant be arsed because im not competing anymore!
So, to get the record straight, as the sites welcome message explains, its there for the organisers use, its not a personal 'do all the hard work for us' website, im not a slave despite what they may think and the only reason the first few rounds are there is for my own sake of having live data i can check everything works, but as I have too much work on with various projects im not running round doing things someone else can and should (assuming they want it to
) be doing particularly if the organisers cant be arsed doing 2 2min jobs they've regularly been reminded about.
Why is it not up to date? Because i've stopped running round doing their tasks.
Does it mean it'll never have the info added? Thats their call, but it wont be kept up to date by me, maybe i'll complete it after xmas but its highly unlikely it'll be any sooner.
Considering their teams website comes entirely from my hard work, they have their own private forum to do as they please on, they have access to a site built largely because of their incompetence to add up points last series which can only save them time running this one properly, and all of this is done with no money, no catches, no demands etc in exchange i have to wonder why i bother really, particularly when it gets to the point of passing the blame of their inability to upload X number of MPR files after a race on the 1 person thats spent the last 9 (?) months working on stuff for them.
So yeah, Dru's right, its all my fault.
3rd time, if there requires a 4th then:
1) I PM everyone this post, should see that everyone reads it that way.
2) You find yourself a new website & forum, im not giving you free hosting, website & whatever AND having my freedom of speach revoked while you lie to everyone about what i have/havent done!
3) I hit 'reply' and post it again, and again till you leave it in place.
Is anything i've said a lie? Yet your happy to lie to them to save face, just like your happy to cheat, abuse the rules, modify the rules to suit yourself, and hide when running this supposedly fun series.
Its your call.
Unfortunately the organiser of this series couldnt be bothered updating things despite the time taken to get it ready for the series and the time spent explaining how to do all the stuff that they should be doing but ive been doing for them therefore it is not being updated.
If the organisers wish to use the site, its there, Dru knows how to use it and knows where i am if he doesnt know, basically they've left everything for me to do, he hasnt touched a thing (or delegated the tasks) despite my reminders to add the missing bits onto the site. Apparently the idea behind the project is lost on the organisers of this series, its intended to make their life easier by doing a good 75% of the work for them (Typically the complicated stuff, which they got wrong in 3 out of 4 of the rounds last time, the race points & standings), i've done EVERYTHING you see on that website, all they need to do is add a little news if they wish, but mainly upload the MPR files and the jobs done, but this seems to be too much to ask. If i wanted to run around finding these details then i'd have done a site purely for that and enter it all in manually, instead ive spent 6+ months coding something that caters for pretty much every series LFS can do, from 1 car & 1 standings type, to mixed classes, multiple divisions, mixed points rounds, as many races per round, as many rounds as you want, and leave it to calculate the standings relevent to the structure of the series you've just created. The alternative was html and doing it all by hand, instead im trying to make a site for the community to use free of charge, i've given up my time to help save their time, but apparently thats not enough and the reason the site isnt up to date is because i cant be arsed because im not competing anymore!
So, to get the record straight, as the sites welcome message explains, its there for the organisers use, its not a personal 'do all the hard work for us' website, im not a slave despite what they may think and the only reason the first few rounds are there is for my own sake of having live data i can check everything works, but as I have too much work on with various projects im not running round doing things someone else can and should (assuming they want it to
) be doing particularly if the organisers cant be arsed doing 2 2min jobs they've regularly been reminded about.Why is it not up to date? Because i've stopped running round doing their tasks.
Does it mean it'll never have the info added? Thats their call, but it wont be kept up to date by me, maybe i'll complete it after xmas but its highly unlikely it'll be any sooner.
Considering their teams website comes entirely from my hard work, they have their own private forum to do as they please on, they have access to a site built largely because of their incompetence to add up points last series which can only save them time running this one properly, and all of this is done with no money, no catches, no demands etc in exchange i have to wonder why i bother really, particularly when it gets to the point of passing the blame of their inability to upload X number of MPR files after a race on the 1 person thats spent the last 9 (?) months working on stuff for them.
So yeah, Dru's right, its all my fault.
Oops, Dru accidently deleted this post, i'll just stick it back up for clarification on his lies.
Unfortunately the organiser of this series couldnt be bothered updating things despite the time taken to get it ready for the series and the time spent explaining how to do all the stuff that they should be doing but ive been doing for them therefore it is not being updated.
If the organisers wish to use the site, its there, Dru knows how to use it and knows where i am if he doesnt know, basically they've left everything for me to do, he hasnt touched a thing (or delegated the tasks) despite my reminders to add the missing bits onto the site. Apparently the idea behind the project is lost on the organisers of this series, its intended to make their life easier by doing a good 75% of the work for them (Typically the complicated stuff, which they got wrong in 3 out of 4 of the rounds last time, the race points & standings), i've done EVERYTHING you see on that website, all they need to do is add a little news if they wish, but mainly upload the MPR files and the jobs done, but this seems to be too much to ask. If i wanted to run around finding these details then i'd have done a site purely for that and enter it all in manually, instead ive spent 6+ months coding something that caters for pretty much every series LFS can do, from 1 car & 1 standings type, to mixed classes, multiple divisions, mixed points rounds, as many races per round, as many rounds as you want, and leave it to calculate the standings relevent to the structure of the series you've just created. The alternative was html and doing it all by hand, instead im trying to make a site for the community to use free of charge, i've given up my time to help save their time, but apparently thats not enough and the reason the site isnt up to date is because i cant be arsed because im not competing anymore!
So, to get the record straight, as the sites welcome message explains, its there for the organisers use, its not a personal 'do all the hard work for us' website, im not a slave despite what they may think and the only reason the first few rounds are there is for my own sake of having live data i can check everything works, but as I have too much work on with various projects im not running round doing things someone else can and should (assuming they want it to ) be doing particularly if the organisers cant be arsed doing 2 2min jobs they've regularly been reminded about.
Why is it not up to date? Because i've stopped running round doing their tasks.
Does it mean it'll never have the info added? Thats their call, but it wont be kept up to date by me, maybe i'll complete it after xmas but its highly unlikely it'll be any sooner.
Considering their teams website comes entirely from my hard work, they have their own private forum to do as they please on, they have access to a site built largely because of their incompetence to add up points last series which can only save them time running this one properly, and all of this is done with no money, no catches, no demands etc in exchange i have to wonder why i bother really, particularly when it gets to the point of passing the blame of their inability to upload X number of MPR files after a race on the 1 person thats spent the last 9 (?) months working on stuff for them.
So yeah, Dru's right, its all my fault.
Unfortunately the organiser of this series couldnt be bothered updating things despite the time taken to get it ready for the series and the time spent explaining how to do all the stuff that they should be doing but ive been doing for them therefore it is not being updated.
If the organisers wish to use the site, its there, Dru knows how to use it and knows where i am if he doesnt know, basically they've left everything for me to do, he hasnt touched a thing (or delegated the tasks) despite my reminders to add the missing bits onto the site. Apparently the idea behind the project is lost on the organisers of this series, its intended to make their life easier by doing a good 75% of the work for them (Typically the complicated stuff, which they got wrong in 3 out of 4 of the rounds last time, the race points & standings), i've done EVERYTHING you see on that website, all they need to do is add a little news if they wish, but mainly upload the MPR files and the jobs done, but this seems to be too much to ask. If i wanted to run around finding these details then i'd have done a site purely for that and enter it all in manually, instead ive spent 6+ months coding something that caters for pretty much every series LFS can do, from 1 car & 1 standings type, to mixed classes, multiple divisions, mixed points rounds, as many races per round, as many rounds as you want, and leave it to calculate the standings relevent to the structure of the series you've just created. The alternative was html and doing it all by hand, instead im trying to make a site for the community to use free of charge, i've given up my time to help save their time, but apparently thats not enough and the reason the site isnt up to date is because i cant be arsed because im not competing anymore!
So, to get the record straight, as the sites welcome message explains, its there for the organisers use, its not a personal 'do all the hard work for us' website, im not a slave despite what they may think and the only reason the first few rounds are there is for my own sake of having live data i can check everything works, but as I have too much work on with various projects im not running round doing things someone else can and should (assuming they want it to
) be doing particularly if the organisers cant be arsed doing 2 2min jobs they've regularly been reminded about.Why is it not up to date? Because i've stopped running round doing their tasks.
Does it mean it'll never have the info added? Thats their call, but it wont be kept up to date by me, maybe i'll complete it after xmas but its highly unlikely it'll be any sooner.
Considering their teams website comes entirely from my hard work, they have their own private forum to do as they please on, they have access to a site built largely because of their incompetence to add up points last series which can only save them time running this one properly, and all of this is done with no money, no catches, no demands etc in exchange i have to wonder why i bother really, particularly when it gets to the point of passing the blame of their inability to upload X number of MPR files after a race on the 1 person thats spent the last 9 (?) months working on stuff for them.
So yeah, Dru's right, its all my fault.
Unfortunately the organiser of this series couldnt be bothered updating things despite the time taken to get it ready for the series and the time spent explaining how to do all the stuff that they should be doing but ive been doing for them therefore it is not being updated.
If the organisers wish to use the site, its there, Dru knows how to use it and knows where i am if he doesnt know, basically they've left everything for me to do, he hasnt touched a thing (or delegated the tasks) despite my reminders to add the missing bits onto the site. Apparently the idea behind the project is lost on the organisers of this series, its intended to make their life easier by doing a good 75% of the work for them (Typically the complicated stuff, which they got wrong in 3 out of 4 of the rounds last time, the race points & standings), i've done EVERYTHING you see on that website, all they need to do is add a little news if they wish, but mainly upload the MPR files and the jobs done, but this seems to be too much to ask. If i wanted to run around finding these details then i'd have done a site purely for that and enter it all in manually, instead ive spent 6+ months coding something that caters for pretty much every series LFS can do, from 1 car & 1 standings type, to mixed classes, multiple divisions, mixed points rounds, as many races per round, as many rounds as you want, and leave it to calculate the standings relevent to the structure of the series you've just created. The alternative was html and doing it all by hand, instead im trying to make a site for the community to use free of charge, i've given up my time to help save their time, but apparently thats not enough and the reason the site isnt up to date is because i cant be arsed because im not competing anymore!
So, to get the record straight, as the sites welcome message explains, its there for the organisers use, its not a personal 'do all the hard work for us' website, im not a slave despite what they may think and the only reason the first few rounds are there is for my own sake of having live data i can check everything works, but as I have too much work on with various projects im not running round doing things someone else can and should (assuming they want it to :shrug
be doing particularly if the organisers cant be arsed doing 2 2min jobs they've regularly been reminded about.Why is it not up to date? Because i've stopped running round doing their tasks.
Does it mean it'll never have the info added? Thats their call, but it wont be kept up to date by me, maybe i'll complete it after xmas but its highly unlikely it'll be any sooner.
Considering their teams website comes entirely from my hard work, they have their own private forum to do as they please on, they have access to a site built largely because of their incompetence to add up points last series which can only save them time running this one properly, and all of this is done with no money, no catches, no demands etc in exchange i have to wonder why i bother really, particularly when it gets to the point of passing the blame of their inability to upload X number of MPR files after a race on the 1 person thats spent the last 9 (?) months working on stuff for them.
So yeah, Dru's right, its all my fault.
Im sure it'll be done as soon as is possible.
All good things come to those who wait
All good things come to those who wait
okay, though i still think they should be named, even if the do the sunday session and put the named list up on the thursday or whenever the deadline is, if thats the list of people taking part this round then IMO it should be said so. but w/e
not sure if your commenting on more than you've quoted, the '9 days late' bit im guessing is to the missing #14 car, yeah i know its late and no use now, just spotted it as i was entering info and was suprised it hadnt been mentioned by someone in that car, but hey ho.
The 'illegal' driver wasnt this weekend, not sure if you're implying you know of anyone that did it for westhill but that wasnt where i'd spotted it. Wasnt interested in starting a thread to whine about it, but as i was entering this rounds details and spotted an issue, and leaving a message for Hoellsen i figured i'd just highlight that it had been done, no name dropping, just a pointer that i'd spotted it had been done and probably gone unnoticed.
p.s your V.D. link is buggered, needs the http malarky behind it.
The 'illegal' driver wasnt this weekend, not sure if you're implying you know of anyone that did it for westhill but that wasnt where i'd spotted it. Wasnt interested in starting a thread to whine about it, but as i was entering this rounds details and spotted an issue, and leaving a message for Hoellsen i figured i'd just highlight that it had been done, no name dropping, just a pointer that i'd spotted it had been done and probably gone unnoticed.
p.s your V.D. link is buggered, needs the http malarky behind it.
Last edited by PaulC2K, .
2 things:
Wolle aint replied yet, i'll pm him but not running round after him to offer to spend my time adding something to his site.
The 'final grid' its kinda wrong, right? no #14 (they did laps in session 2) and #10 listed despite not taking part. No comment in the penalties thread suggesting their times were removed.
Only noticed it because im entering the results into a db and theres some weird things in there, and the race results dont help much either going off the final position and the +/- column.
I also spotted at least 1 case of non-specified drivers doing the teams qualifying laps, which im pretty sure is against the rules isnt it? sure ive seen something about a driver not being allowed to qualify because they werent listed in this season. Only reason i spotted that was down to the p*ss poor image quality for the sessions results and had to go off surname because the car number wasnt readable, so its possible there are multiple cases considering i only went hunting for 2 surnames from 5 (legit) qualifying rounds.
Wolle aint replied yet, i'll pm him but not running round after him to offer to spend my time adding something to his site.
The 'final grid' its kinda wrong, right? no #14 (they did laps in session 2) and #10 listed despite not taking part. No comment in the penalties thread suggesting their times were removed.
Only noticed it because im entering the results into a db and theres some weird things in there, and the race results dont help much either going off the final position and the +/- column.
I also spotted at least 1 case of non-specified drivers doing the teams qualifying laps, which im pretty sure is against the rules isnt it? sure ive seen something about a driver not being allowed to qualify because they werent listed in this season. Only reason i spotted that was down to the p*ss poor image quality for the sessions results and had to go off surname because the car number wasnt readable, so its possible there are multiple cases considering i only went hunting for 2 surnames from 5 (legit) qualifying rounds.
When i did a forum search the other day i couldnt find it, but there definately was one which tweak did. I might have a low resolution version of it, but pretty sure i dont have the original psd. Still, it would have come from this forum so it should be on here somewhere, maybe i missed it :?
Maybe i didnt, it is there in its own little thread:
http://www.lfsforum.net/showth ... =17886&highlight=Logo
Maybe i didnt, it is there in its own little thread:
http://www.lfsforum.net/showth ... =17886&highlight=Logo
No Anger, just find it hilarious that your so naive and so far up your own arse you still havent realised your replying in a thread filled with reasons people dont want to join YOUR series, how many more people need to agree with the various comments made in here about the fact that this isnt a series, its a lazy arrogant after-thought with no planning, no organisation, and nobody wanting to join it and guess what, were all wrong?? Well thanks for clearing that up, Vykos has spoke, we were all wrong it turns out.
a) So your paying CTRA/UKCT over £80 to flap there mouths about race incidents? They've never needed a reason to belittle people before, now you want to pay them to do it.... i say you, obvious i mean we the racers paying to take part are to pay them, right? If ever there needed to be a reason this series is a joke, thats just answered it right there! YOU want someone else to do half the work, but want everyone else to pay for it or at least significantly contribute towards it. Isnt that what your saying??
No other series needs to pay someone to watch a reply and give a high-n-mighty view of it, maybe if peoples entry fee's werent spent on such stupid things it could be free.
I'd LOVE to know how many people who were interested in taking part but didnt because you cant sort out a proper payment method are now rather glad they didnt seeing as they're paying towards you hiring outside help!
b) Mr Vykos, 'no other league offers prizes' is telling me to get my facts straight? Sugar, your the one responsible for getting everyones facts straight, and if your attempts are so piss-poor that nobody knows whats going on days before the series is supposed to start, if you'd tell people whats going on maybe we'd know, maybe you wouldnt find the other thread is full of people asking you to give more information, maybe you wouldnt need a thread questioning why people simply arent interested in entering. So get your facts straight and dont moan because you cant put a message across!
You want to talk about advertising and news on websites that get millions of hits, Your on one you idiot, you cant even muster any interest from people that play the game how do you hope to get it from people flicking through a site? If you can get decent prizes which make paying to enter worthwhile, then thats great, but so far you've listed 1 item, a Poker set. 'What do you offer?' You offer things that dont exist yet, im filled with confidence now. I might get my name mentioned on a site i dont visit, yey me. No live coverage, how many racers taking part give a hoot about this? They're driving you dummy, its beyond live there, its interactive no less, so what if everyone else gets it, its not a reason to pay to join your series is it! As i say, im not spreading anything thats not true, im only repeating what your telling people, if thats not true that who's fault is that? What have i said thats not true, that ive come to my OWN conclusion, and isnt based on something your telling people? At least i havent blatently lied about what you offer compared to other series! Who's 'misleading and spreading stuff thats simply not true' now?
Theres no 'bloody anger' if there was you'd get far worse, trust me!
Mr Vykos 'why not help a bit, instead of being angry' yet again, i ask you to READ MY POSTS, as i told you the last time you said something which i'd already pointed out in the previous post was BS, sell the crap prizes your trying to fobb off as a worthwhile reason to enter the series, and pay whoever the hell you want with that money, and make the series free to enter, then you'll have no problems getting people coming through.
Still, you continue ignoring valid suggestions and make your BS comments about how the UK is really letting you down and we should embrace your half-arsed series because we play LFS which is also incomplete. The way your going about things it looks like a similar progress path, maybe in 10 years time it'll look like a real series and might just warrent an entry fee, but right now its a series clearly nobody wants to join because of the 4 things i highlighted.
You are the one with the failing series that couldnt get started, not me, people have asked for our opinions and your getting them, either accept them or stick your head in the sand and blame everything but your own failings.
'What isnt organised'
READ THE DAMN THREAD! How many people need to tell you??
If you want to talk about 'disrespectful' how about being so full of yourself that you IGNORE the fact that your replying in a 'why arent people joining my series' thread, IGNORE all the peoples reasons for not wanting to join, Make claims which are FALSE ('no others series offers prizes, ive named 2 i've entered in the last month!) while harping on about getting facts right, IGNORE the suggestions made which most people would accept most of the missing peices you havent sorted out, and instead you just carry on blaming everyone else. But no, im disrespectful, im only someone that might have been interested in joining your failed series who's been put off by your organising skills (or lack there of) and having been asked why i wouldnt join have spent the time outlining key aspects which are easily identified by anyone with half a brain (its starting to add up now!) and have given you suggestions you cant even be arsed to read let alone acknowledge. What a disrespectful jerk i am!!
And no, if you've ever seen me drive you'll be well aware i've never tried to become the next F1 driver, im crap, but it doesnt stop me racing and enjoying it. What you want to do is break the mold, and if your going to do that by expecting people to pay to take part then you better have a bloody good reason for people paying because nobody else has had the bare faced cheak to say 'pay me to run a series' or more accurately 'pay someone else to do a part of the series i cant be arsed doing myself'. Considering your claiming the cost of CRTA's involvement is over £80, the amount your throwing around as being the funds raised by peoples entry fee's, maybe the smart idea is to not pay people to do such an insignificant job, and let people enter for free, or sell the crap prizes and even ebay off your suggestions of others coming later, and use that to pay for CRTA, but expecting the entry fee's everyone is paying to go straight into paying someone to oversee part of the series is unfair and a disgrace, and hardly suprising that it hasnt been mentioned until i asked is it!
a) So your paying CTRA/UKCT over £80 to flap there mouths about race incidents? They've never needed a reason to belittle people before, now you want to pay them to do it.... i say you, obvious i mean we the racers paying to take part are to pay them, right? If ever there needed to be a reason this series is a joke, thats just answered it right there! YOU want someone else to do half the work, but want everyone else to pay for it or at least significantly contribute towards it. Isnt that what your saying??
No other series needs to pay someone to watch a reply and give a high-n-mighty view of it, maybe if peoples entry fee's werent spent on such stupid things it could be free.
I'd LOVE to know how many people who were interested in taking part but didnt because you cant sort out a proper payment method are now rather glad they didnt seeing as they're paying towards you hiring outside help!
b) Mr Vykos, 'no other league offers prizes' is telling me to get my facts straight? Sugar, your the one responsible for getting everyones facts straight, and if your attempts are so piss-poor that nobody knows whats going on days before the series is supposed to start, if you'd tell people whats going on maybe we'd know, maybe you wouldnt find the other thread is full of people asking you to give more information, maybe you wouldnt need a thread questioning why people simply arent interested in entering. So get your facts straight and dont moan because you cant put a message across!
You want to talk about advertising and news on websites that get millions of hits, Your on one you idiot, you cant even muster any interest from people that play the game how do you hope to get it from people flicking through a site? If you can get decent prizes which make paying to enter worthwhile, then thats great, but so far you've listed 1 item, a Poker set. 'What do you offer?' You offer things that dont exist yet, im filled with confidence now. I might get my name mentioned on a site i dont visit, yey me. No live coverage, how many racers taking part give a hoot about this? They're driving you dummy, its beyond live there, its interactive no less, so what if everyone else gets it, its not a reason to pay to join your series is it! As i say, im not spreading anything thats not true, im only repeating what your telling people, if thats not true that who's fault is that? What have i said thats not true, that ive come to my OWN conclusion, and isnt based on something your telling people? At least i havent blatently lied about what you offer compared to other series! Who's 'misleading and spreading stuff thats simply not true' now?
Theres no 'bloody anger' if there was you'd get far worse, trust me!
Mr Vykos 'why not help a bit, instead of being angry' yet again, i ask you to READ MY POSTS, as i told you the last time you said something which i'd already pointed out in the previous post was BS, sell the crap prizes your trying to fobb off as a worthwhile reason to enter the series, and pay whoever the hell you want with that money, and make the series free to enter, then you'll have no problems getting people coming through.
Still, you continue ignoring valid suggestions and make your BS comments about how the UK is really letting you down and we should embrace your half-arsed series because we play LFS which is also incomplete. The way your going about things it looks like a similar progress path, maybe in 10 years time it'll look like a real series and might just warrent an entry fee, but right now its a series clearly nobody wants to join because of the 4 things i highlighted.
You are the one with the failing series that couldnt get started, not me, people have asked for our opinions and your getting them, either accept them or stick your head in the sand and blame everything but your own failings.
'What isnt organised'
READ THE DAMN THREAD! How many people need to tell you??
If you want to talk about 'disrespectful' how about being so full of yourself that you IGNORE the fact that your replying in a 'why arent people joining my series' thread, IGNORE all the peoples reasons for not wanting to join, Make claims which are FALSE ('no others series offers prizes, ive named 2 i've entered in the last month!) while harping on about getting facts right, IGNORE the suggestions made which most people would accept most of the missing peices you havent sorted out, and instead you just carry on blaming everyone else. But no, im disrespectful, im only someone that might have been interested in joining your failed series who's been put off by your organising skills (or lack there of) and having been asked why i wouldnt join have spent the time outlining key aspects which are easily identified by anyone with half a brain (its starting to add up now!) and have given you suggestions you cant even be arsed to read let alone acknowledge. What a disrespectful jerk i am!!
And no, if you've ever seen me drive you'll be well aware i've never tried to become the next F1 driver, im crap, but it doesnt stop me racing and enjoying it. What you want to do is break the mold, and if your going to do that by expecting people to pay to take part then you better have a bloody good reason for people paying because nobody else has had the bare faced cheak to say 'pay me to run a series' or more accurately 'pay someone else to do a part of the series i cant be arsed doing myself'. Considering your claiming the cost of CRTA's involvement is over £80, the amount your throwing around as being the funds raised by peoples entry fee's, maybe the smart idea is to not pay people to do such an insignificant job, and let people enter for free, or sell the crap prizes and even ebay off your suggestions of others coming later, and use that to pay for CRTA, but expecting the entry fee's everyone is paying to go straight into paying someone to oversee part of the series is unfair and a disgrace, and hardly suprising that it hasnt been mentioned until i asked is it!
The cost of entry is irrelevent, however the fact that you insist on people paying to take part should mean were getting something back in return that no other league offers. The only thing you offer that no other series offers is entry to the international round, right?
Why does this series warrent people paying to enter? There are plenty of events out there, free to join, and they're organised just as well as this, infact more-so based on what little you've proved so far. Its all promises of wonder, yet all the evidence points to nothing but arrogance that people will just ignore all the holes and failures in the setup and come flooding in because of the possibility to race in the international race.
Could you remind everyone how much the International folks paid to race? i'll quite happily pay for everyone who wants to race if its at the same price as they paid. So you'll run that for free but not the rest? They get free entry, prizes people want rather than country fair raffle ticket type prizes?
Infact, heres your answer! Take your 50-€ poker kit, stick it... on ebay and let that pay for your 'expenses and work', sod the crap prizes people dont care about winning and you'll have people signing up in no time.
Question: If there was a league, free or pay to play, information was slow, details were rather last minute, you had to drive in 3rd-person camera and had 2 weeks notice of it starting... would you join??
Answer: Would you balls! You'd take one look and realise they cant even start the series efficiently so what hope is there of them running it half-decent and your not going out of your way to adapt to a new driving style with short notice of a badly organised event. Stop pretending this league is anything but an afterthought, someone else you can spoon some money off. You cant sort your end out, why should people come rushing to join something you havent even finished working on, and pay for the damn privelage too!
'do you get any prizes in any other league'
Wanna read my post? The BOTT series, the one your team joined and showed up for round 5 only, had you participated like you said you would you might have known they had prizes, cost of entry, nothing. They found sponsors, just like you have for the international series.
Even the UF Owners club have got some crappy car shop providing prizes, cost of entry, nothing.
As for being able to win a Wii or holiday if you get into the international series, dont forget to add thats after you beat:
N1lyn, Zock, Baggy, Chriskart, Vince, B0nd, Jay, Jonesy, Rudi, HuskyG, Sracer, Clownpaint, Misko.... Theres over 20 people who were invited because they're the best racers out there, and folks... if you beat all of them over 8 races then you'll win a Wii, and i'll thrown in a 360 too, a Ferrari 360 ffs.
Is that all there is? if i'd known this i'd have paid, joined, and started packing my suitcase and bought some sun-block already!
'£80.... It is to cover expenses and work'
expenses and work other leagues dont make their entrants pay for.
How much are UKCT getting? CRTA?? My bet is nothing, they're putting their free time into making this successful so you can be paid to do a couple of simple things, at least you've sorted your priorities.
'The rest is WiP, as you play a WiP product every day, I personally thought, you have some open mind for stuff being ready but still in development.'
We all paid for something that we couldnt get elsewhere, your charging for something we can get better for free elsewhere, maybe you should take a step back and open your mind a little?
Why does this series warrent people paying to enter? There are plenty of events out there, free to join, and they're organised just as well as this, infact more-so based on what little you've proved so far. Its all promises of wonder, yet all the evidence points to nothing but arrogance that people will just ignore all the holes and failures in the setup and come flooding in because of the possibility to race in the international race.
Could you remind everyone how much the International folks paid to race? i'll quite happily pay for everyone who wants to race if its at the same price as they paid. So you'll run that for free but not the rest? They get free entry, prizes people want rather than country fair raffle ticket type prizes?
Infact, heres your answer! Take your 50-€ poker kit, stick it... on ebay
and let that pay for your 'expenses and work', sod the crap prizes people dont care about winning and you'll have people signing up in no time.Question: If there was a league, free or pay to play, information was slow, details were rather last minute, you had to drive in 3rd-person camera and had 2 weeks notice of it starting... would you join??
Answer: Would you balls! You'd take one look and realise they cant even start the series efficiently so what hope is there of them running it half-decent and your not going out of your way to adapt to a new driving style with short notice of a badly organised event. Stop pretending this league is anything but an afterthought, someone else you can spoon some money off. You cant sort your end out, why should people come rushing to join something you havent even finished working on, and pay for the damn privelage too!
'do you get any prizes in any other league'
Wanna read my post? The BOTT series, the one your team joined and showed up for round 5 only, had you participated like you said you would you might have known they had prizes, cost of entry, nothing. They found sponsors, just like you have for the international series.
Even the UF Owners club have got some crappy car shop providing prizes, cost of entry, nothing.
As for being able to win a Wii or holiday if you get into the international series, dont forget to add thats after you beat:
N1lyn, Zock, Baggy, Chriskart, Vince, B0nd, Jay, Jonesy, Rudi, HuskyG, Sracer, Clownpaint, Misko.... Theres over 20 people who were invited because they're the best racers out there, and folks... if you beat all of them over 8 races then you'll win a Wii, and i'll thrown in a 360 too, a Ferrari 360 ffs.
Is that all there is? if i'd known this i'd have paid, joined, and started packing my suitcase and bought some sun-block already!
'£80.... It is to cover expenses and work'
expenses and work other leagues dont make their entrants pay for.
How much are UKCT getting? CRTA?? My bet is nothing, they're putting their free time into making this successful so you can be paid to do a couple of simple things, at least you've sorted your priorities.
'The rest is WiP, as you play a WiP product every day, I personally thought, you have some open mind for stuff being ready but still in development.'
We all paid for something that we couldnt get elsewhere, your charging for something we can get better for free elsewhere, maybe you should take a step back and open your mind a little?
Im onto my 2nd Quad-Core, the first one blew up early on into calculating that very question
My posts are always so long cos i hate it when people give a half paragraph answer to something and leaves you kinda wanting more info, im well aware the majority of people wont even bother reading what i have to say, but those that actually care will read it and at least they'll know my thoughts/feelings. I also find most people will also take the above as moaning or complaining and suggest instead i just dont enter rather than 'moaning/complaining' but truth is if people dont give an honest opinion then things never get fixed or at least get the chance to be... But mostly its cos i like a good moan
My posts are always so long cos i hate it when people give a half paragraph answer to something and leaves you kinda wanting more info, im well aware the majority of people wont even bother reading what i have to say, but those that actually care will read it and at least they'll know my thoughts/feelings. I also find most people will also take the above as moaning or complaining and suggest instead i just dont enter rather than 'moaning/complaining' but truth is if people dont give an honest opinion then things never get fixed or at least get the chance to be... But mostly its cos i like a good moan
Im suprised it even needs to be pointed out, but for those that dont seem to have figured it out, there are 4 reasons i can think of why this series is doomed to begin with:
1) The fact that it seems impossible to make the payment, widely available & commonly used methods not being used and only extremely expensive alternatives being possible (like 5x more than the fee itself) arent enticing.
2) Your making every effort to turn people away, forcing people to use views and specific settings they dont normally use and arent used to while demanding payment to 'reserve a place', they're all reasons why people wont enter, so if a driver doesnt like 1 of those things they're being forced to accept they wont enter, its fantastic for those who like it, but useless for those who dont. Basically your left with the people happy with driving the way you insist it must be done, willing to pay for the privelage, and are able & willing to race on that date/time with such short notice.
It removes the possibility of the best British drivers competing in 1 series for a spot in the International series, and becomes a series of whoever's actually still interested in racing after all attempts to put them off has failed. Thrilling.
I could add to this point based on the reasoning behind these rules but i sense it probably wouldnt be taken with the humour i find in it, but its all very reminiscent of history and sadly the irony of it would probably be lost all things considered Quality eitherway
3) Paying to enter a series which is supposedly to pay for the admins to run a well organised event, when the reality at this point seems to be they cant organise a p*ss up in a brewery! Prizes that sound like unwanted freebies dont appeal much, however if theres Nintendo Wii's and Holidays up for grabs ala Int eTM then theres a start, but some poker kit?? Theres some nice things there but no sign of a reason to pay for something that currently sounds like an afterthought to make a couple of quid on the side. Live streaming video is great, Instantly available replays & results, fantastic, but a live stream is no use to the people driving, replays are just a couple of button clicks away (and IMO crap to watch because of the camera restrictions) from anyone wanting them, and near instant results...??
BOTT has managed to get prizes for the top 3 teams, inc 1yr/6mth/3mth LFS Server hosting, 2yr web hosting and a TrackIR system (thats to each team, not split!), the admin gets up before 6am, gets things done in a timely fashion (not 'near instant' but whoopie doo) and all for the cost of zero euros, zero pounds and zero dollars (the catch is its non-refundable!!). At least those are LFS related prizes which most people might find usefull, rather than something that sounds like an unwanted birthday gift from a distant elderly relative.
4) Personally i'd love to see 'pay to play' events fail because i really dont want to encourage a trend of series demanding money to race. If there are GENIUNE reasons which warrant a fee being needed then it could be excused, but im not seeing anything like a reason here as i mentioned above theres no sign of proper organisation, decent communication, or reason to pay money for whats offered in return, the only real prize is being *allowed* to take part in the international version... really??
Okay so £4 isnt much, but its the same with everything isnt it, today its £4 then next time its £6, and before long the idea of just joining a series and racing will be gone without the transaction of cash in return. Still, as every effort is being made to put people off entering and i geniunely appreciate it, its helped my conscience heaps.
Personally it sounds like a waste of time, it'd be better if it was properly planned and not done like a last minute afterthought, give people proper notice and get things organised beforehand not less than a week before the event. If it was free, then people wouldnt give a hoot, they wouldnt be overly impressed at the lack of organisation days before the start, but being one of the first series demanding payment for the services provided is just an insult to anyone thats entered any other series, and every other series organiser that puts in a damn sight more effort off their own back without wanting paying for the privelage.
Give people a real reason to enter and people might, taking the p*ss and wondering why people arent so enthusiastic is rather amusing though. Basically theres too many peices of the puzzle missing, if they can be found then maybe it could be pretty good, but it'll never be as good as it could be when people are faced with so many reasons to pass this up when theres no reason to go out of their comfort zone to take part, its that simple.
1) The fact that it seems impossible to make the payment, widely available & commonly used methods not being used and only extremely expensive alternatives being possible (like 5x more than the fee itself) arent enticing.
2) Your making every effort to turn people away, forcing people to use views and specific settings they dont normally use and arent used to while demanding payment to 'reserve a place', they're all reasons why people wont enter, so if a driver doesnt like 1 of those things they're being forced to accept they wont enter, its fantastic for those who like it, but useless for those who dont. Basically your left with the people happy with driving the way you insist it must be done, willing to pay for the privelage, and are able & willing to race on that date/time with such short notice.
It removes the possibility of the best British drivers competing in 1 series for a spot in the International series, and becomes a series of whoever's actually still interested in racing after all attempts to put them off has failed. Thrilling.
I could add to this point based on the reasoning behind these rules but i sense it probably wouldnt be taken with the humour i find in it, but its all very reminiscent of history and sadly the irony of it would probably be lost all things considered
Quality eitherway 3) Paying to enter a series which is supposedly to pay for the admins to run a well organised event, when the reality at this point seems to be they cant organise a p*ss up in a brewery! Prizes that sound like unwanted freebies dont appeal much, however if theres Nintendo Wii's and Holidays up for grabs ala Int eTM then theres a start, but some poker kit?? Theres some nice things there but no sign of a reason to pay for something that currently sounds like an afterthought to make a couple of quid on the side. Live streaming video is great, Instantly available replays & results, fantastic, but a live stream is no use to the people driving, replays are just a couple of button clicks away (and IMO crap to watch because of the camera restrictions) from anyone wanting them, and near instant results...??
BOTT has managed to get prizes for the top 3 teams, inc 1yr/6mth/3mth LFS Server hosting, 2yr web hosting and a TrackIR system (thats to each team, not split!), the admin gets up before 6am, gets things done in a timely fashion (not 'near instant' but whoopie doo) and all for the cost of zero euros, zero pounds and zero dollars (the catch is its non-refundable!!). At least those are LFS related prizes which most people might find usefull, rather than something that sounds like an unwanted birthday gift from a distant elderly relative.
4) Personally i'd love to see 'pay to play' events fail because i really dont want to encourage a trend of series demanding money to race. If there are GENIUNE reasons which warrant a fee being needed then it could be excused, but im not seeing anything like a reason here as i mentioned above theres no sign of proper organisation, decent communication, or reason to pay money for whats offered in return, the only real prize is being *allowed* to take part in the international version... really??
Okay so £4 isnt much, but its the same with everything isnt it, today its £4 then next time its £6, and before long the idea of just joining a series and racing will be gone without the transaction of cash in return. Still, as every effort is being made to put people off entering and i geniunely appreciate it, its helped my conscience heaps.
Personally it sounds like a waste of time, it'd be better if it was properly planned and not done like a last minute afterthought, give people proper notice and get things organised beforehand not less than a week before the event. If it was free, then people wouldnt give a hoot, they wouldnt be overly impressed at the lack of organisation days before the start, but being one of the first series demanding payment for the services provided is just an insult to anyone thats entered any other series, and every other series organiser that puts in a damn sight more effort off their own back without wanting paying for the privelage.
Give people a real reason to enter and people might, taking the p*ss and wondering why people arent so enthusiastic is rather amusing though. Basically theres too many peices of the puzzle missing, if they can be found then maybe it could be pretty good, but it'll never be as good as it could be when people are faced with so many reasons to pass this up when theres no reason to go out of their comfort zone to take part, its that simple.
Theres no way of doing this series in a way that will suit all nations, its too far beyond reasonable expectation for it to be doable.
Whatever the start time is, there will be at least 1 quarter of the globe ruled out because of the local time, it would require considerable dedication on their part to enter.
Accounts will start dipping East of Europe and only really start to pick up at Australia, numbers in that zone will be slim and also tricky to cater for anyway. So if you consider Aus - US - EU is where the majority of racers live and when it could work best for those areas then your looking at +9/10 -8/-5 & 0/+2 for those areas which is a 17hr spread which is doable. 20-22UTC means mid-AM in Australia, early afternoon in the Americas, and late evening/night in Europe. If you move the time 2hrs either direction it either makes it too early for Australasia or too late for Europe, if you switch it 12hrs then it becomes early AM for the America's.
The majority of nations will come from Europe, thats obvious enough, then the Americas, then Australasia, followed by the Middle East, and it should be catered to suit as many people as possible, if its put to public vote then it'll just be decided by what suits the voting drivers best, not the nations, and not always whats in the best interest of the series. 20-22 makes things possible for the widest audience, thats why bott runs at 20utc hardly because arrow likes getting up just before 6/7am.
As for regionals then finals, in theory its a good idea, but in reality it probably isnt the answer. If you stick with the FIFA/World Cup example, its perfect for allowing the best teams from over 100 countries into 1 tournement of 32 nations (IIRC) but the problem is they are professional footballers, and the matches take place in 1 nation with all the players in the same place. They're not expected to field their best 11 at 4am when they have family/work/social lifes to work around, in BoTN thats the reality of it. If you qualify but your best drivers have a problem with getting up at 8am on a Sunday, being home at 10pm on a Saturday or not being out shopping or at the game on Saturday evening, then your hardly the same team that qualified.
It would be far better if we could do it regionally, it'd be much smoother and more flexable, but when it came to taking those regional finalists into the main final your stuck with all the problems it faces if it starts with if theres no regionals.
It'll just require a bit of dedication and sacrifices from most nations (some more than other). Personally i think global events are just too problematic and *just* regional events would be easier and better for everyone, 'bigger isnt always better' springs to mind but it depends what the aim is, better racing or wow factor, IMO the only thing a global series would have over a regional only is a defining answer, whether its accurate/fair or not is easy to argue though.
Whatever the start time is, there will be at least 1 quarter of the globe ruled out because of the local time, it would require considerable dedication on their part to enter.
Accounts will start dipping East of Europe and only really start to pick up at Australia, numbers in that zone will be slim and also tricky to cater for anyway. So if you consider Aus - US - EU is where the majority of racers live and when it could work best for those areas then your looking at +9/10 -8/-5 & 0/+2 for those areas which is a 17hr spread which is doable. 20-22UTC means mid-AM in Australia, early afternoon in the Americas, and late evening/night in Europe. If you move the time 2hrs either direction it either makes it too early for Australasia or too late for Europe, if you switch it 12hrs then it becomes early AM for the America's.
The majority of nations will come from Europe, thats obvious enough, then the Americas, then Australasia, followed by the Middle East, and it should be catered to suit as many people as possible, if its put to public vote then it'll just be decided by what suits the voting drivers best, not the nations, and not always whats in the best interest of the series. 20-22 makes things possible for the widest audience, thats why bott runs at 20utc hardly because arrow likes getting up just before 6/7am.
As for regionals then finals, in theory its a good idea, but in reality it probably isnt the answer. If you stick with the FIFA/World Cup example, its perfect for allowing the best teams from over 100 countries into 1 tournement of 32 nations (IIRC) but the problem is they are professional footballers, and the matches take place in 1 nation with all the players in the same place. They're not expected to field their best 11 at 4am when they have family/work/social lifes to work around, in BoTN thats the reality of it. If you qualify but your best drivers have a problem with getting up at 8am on a Sunday, being home at 10pm on a Saturday or not being out shopping or at the game on Saturday evening, then your hardly the same team that qualified.
It would be far better if we could do it regionally, it'd be much smoother and more flexable, but when it came to taking those regional finalists into the main final your stuck with all the problems it faces if it starts with if theres no regionals.
It'll just require a bit of dedication and sacrifices from most nations (some more than other). Personally i think global events are just too problematic and *just* regional events would be easier and better for everyone, 'bigger isnt always better' springs to mind but it depends what the aim is, better racing or wow factor, IMO the only thing a global series would have over a regional only is a defining answer, whether its accurate/fair or not is easy to argue though.
Nation: Heard and McDonald Islands
Number of Registered LFS Users: 1
Other information: Every voice shall be heard!! (hmm, no pun intended i guess)
Unfortunately as the sole LFS Registrant of LFS has never done a lap online it may be a little unlikely of their availability around those dates due to prior engagements of the highest importance!!
Number of Registered LFS Users: 1
Other information: Every voice shall be heard!! (hmm, no pun intended i guess)
Unfortunately as the sole LFS Registrant of LFS has never done a lap online it may be a little unlikely of their availability around those dates due to prior engagements of the highest importance!!
I wondered about that the other day, but wasnt sure on their use of the term 'rounded up'
My understanding would be:
+10% would only benefit on 5+ points, no lower as...
5 + 10% (0.5) = 5.5, means rounded up to 6
4 + 10% (0.4) = 4.4, means rounded down to 4
So you should receive 6pts from Rnd2 & 10pts from Rnd3, but Rnd1 would still be 3pts as after the 10% it rounds down to 3, so +1 point to 1 of the above races, not both if that was what you were implying... unless the terminology is being used to give a whole new meaning at least.
My understanding would be:
+10% would only benefit on 5+ points, no lower as...
5 + 10% (0.5) = 5.5, means rounded up to 6
4 + 10% (0.4) = 4.4, means rounded down to 4
So you should receive 6pts from Rnd2 & 10pts from Rnd3, but Rnd1 would still be 3pts as after the 10% it rounds down to 3, so +1 point to 1 of the above races, not both if that was what you were implying... unless the terminology is being used to give a whole new meaning at least.
I've sent him an email, he is using php/sql by the looks of things so it shouldnt be a problem. You only need to modify driver line-up details, add/remove -1 lap penalties, and +30sec after-race penalties? those should be simple enough, and if Wolle sticks it in a passworded folder it wont need any user verification in the scripting which saves a bit of messing (bott reset is 'public' as i'd guess MoE's is too).
What language is it in? if its php+sql and you give me a dummy sql database i could probably get the basics available to the admins as it kinda makes things hard to get your head around when laps stop being counted (visually at least) and the data isnt as accurate as it could be.
ouch.
Also, just a heads-up, the MoE website always gives a 45% distance as a predicted number of laps to help clarify when you've gone over the limit in cases such as this, however this is on the basis that your driving a GT1 car, if a GT2 car was allowed to go as many laps it would probably be completing 50-55% distance such is the difference. Shouldnt this be clarified equally, just to prevent potential abuse.
Also, just a heads-up, the MoE website always gives a 45% distance as a predicted number of laps to help clarify when you've gone over the limit in cases such as this, however this is on the basis that your driving a GT1 car, if a GT2 car was allowed to go as many laps it would probably be completing 50-55% distance such is the difference. Shouldnt this be clarified equally, just to prevent potential abuse.
Cant a back-end system be built for these issues? rather than what would appear to be working directly within the database? Would allow these issues to be dealt with much quicker by those admins available for the round.
Shouldnt be too hard, particularly compared to what has been acheived getting the tracker as far as it is.
Shouldnt be too hard, particularly compared to what has been acheived getting the tracker as far as it is.
ok, theres definately a conspiracy here, my computer is working against me!!
Im certain i posted to correct my earlier comment about -1 lap for disco, both on here and on ze merc forum, but its not on there either it seems. I came to the conclusion i'd wrote it but restarted the PC without posting that one, so i can only assume i did the same there too, but i double checked the rules just after posting so i knew but apparently didnt click 'submit' and it wasnt in one of my firefox windows after rebooting either :?
Im certain i posted to correct my earlier comment about -1 lap for disco, both on here and on ze merc forum, but its not on there either it seems. I came to the conclusion i'd wrote it but restarted the PC without posting that one, so i can only assume i did the same there too, but i double checked the rules just after posting so i knew but apparently didnt click 'submit' and it wasnt in one of my firefox windows after rebooting either :?
Only correction i'd make would be on Westhills results, which didnt include -1 lap penalties for disconnections & pit-teleporting which i gather Prodrive did at one point? Im not sure how i came to that conclusion, but i'd guess it would be from the end of race replay file having prodrive not actually in 2nd of the GT2 cars but something like 9th due to the disco/shift+p. Wish i could check to clarify that, but im pretty sure that must have been where i got that from, and as we finished 0:50 behind them according to the tracker and the -1 lap penalties werent possible to add to the live data it would suggest we finished ahead of them on that basis.
With that said, and on the basis of it being correct, that moves us up a place, worth 5pts extra.
T7R your right on, i'd replaced the wrong result (5th to 3rd instead of 4th to 3rd)
TSO came 4th at Rnd1, T7R took 3rd (link)
XFR i have down as finishing 2/5/5th not 2/6/6 but i cant really check replays for those atm as i've mentioned.
Anyone else thinking it probably wasnt worth asking what the standings were right now?
CoRe are hauling, everyone else is playing catchup... i think thats as close as were likely to get until we start being given the last months worth of race results 
Considering all complaints are refused after 1hr of the race ending round 2's results shouldnt have been too much to ask for within a few days of it ending, round 3's tracker issues will take some messing which will hold things up a while. At least its 2 months till the next round, maybe we'll know where were at by then
Yeah, thinking about it it almost certainly is incorrect, the only doubt was if they'd had additional problems along the way but i knew they'd only had 1 disco by the lap they's completed on the 6th hour and the fact that they disconnected around the lap i was expecting it when checking that hours stint to judge where they were at the time of disco, so yeah unless the official results say otherwise i think 3rd is fairly safe, i also spotted from their site they have themselves as 3rd so that confirmed it for me, as i say, probably put the result in TSO's section while not paying attention.
That makes things (unofficially, big-style!)
CoRe - 1st, 2nd, 1st = 114
Mercury - 5th, 1st, 2nd = 96
T7R - 3rd, 3rd, 5th = 85
TSO - 4th 7th, 3rd = 73 (swapped them to 7th for reasons given above, may be wrong, cant check)
XFR - 2nd, 5th, 5th = 70
Still with a big pinch of salt mind you.
That makes things (unofficially, big-style!)
CoRe - 1st, 2nd, 1st = 114
Mercury - 5th, 1st, 2nd = 96
T7R - 3rd, 3rd, 5th = 85
TSO - 4th 7th, 3rd = 73 (swapped them to 7th for reasons given above, may be wrong, cant check)
XFR - 2nd, 5th, 5th = 70
Still with a big pinch of salt mind you.
Thats cos it is, however T7R didnt finish 3th at South City, not by what i calculated anyway. I had Mercury, CoRe (disco on lap 58 iirc, -1 lap but were 2nd at that point, and we were 2-3 laps clear of the next 100% distance GT2 car, so im sure they'd be 2nd) then i have TSO 3rd, dont have 4th listed (i only collected results for yesterday's top 5 finishers) then XFR 5th and T7R down in 7th. Thinking about it T7R disco'd around lap 42 iirc so maybe i never put them back into their respective placing, i know they werent far behind CoRe at that point but i never looked at how many laps they did after disco to judge how many laps they'd have done, so maybe ive screwed up on that result.
I would check the replay again, however i cant thanks to having no LFS's unlocks cos i've installed XP 3 times in the last 24hrs (used 2 unlocks on the last version, unlocking the wrong lfs folder then the correct one cos i figured why not) then i realised something wasnt working correctly and went for a 3rd attempt and now im locked out for the week unless i jibb my brothers unused account for the week
But as i say, i think chances are ive miscalculated or given TSO 3rd and T7R 7th and meant it the other way round? dont recall and unfortunately cant check or do owt till Friday morning apparently
NIKI, without Rnd2 confirmed result & no unlocked LFS now i cant get the results, i dont know of anywhere that has even unofficial results, but i have 9th & 4th (5/6th if those supposed to be paying attention would have, nice chat before the race finished btw, how ironic it would have been had you cost your team 4th because you had to chat about finishing there
but MOI to the rescue :clapclap for Rnd3 but unless you know where you (& others) finished its pretty much hopeless. I can only recall the top 3 GT1 finishers, after that ive no idea only guestimations.There was no official results given for Round 2, so that doesnt help matters, then round 3 also has tracker problems and -1 lap reset penalties not added so the standings take a bit of guesswork, but i have:
GT1
Mercury - 1st, 3rd, 1st = 109pts
SK - 2nd, 2nd, 4th? = 95pts
ID/#low - 8th, 1st, 2nd? = 88pts
Cyber - 4th, 4th?, 6th? = 69pts
GT2
CoRe - 1st, 2nd, 1st = 114
Mercury - 5th, 1st, 2nd = 96
TSO - 4th 3rd?, 3rd = 83
Take those with a pinch of salt, they'll be fairly accurate but it wouldnt suprise me if theres a few results out by a place.
With so many unknown results i think GT2 is pretty much correct as its helped that the same teams are finishing in the top 4-5 so you know who to look for (XFR on 78 & T7R with 70) but the GT1 class has had more 'random' results so its hard to judge without anything official being said of it all it'd just be a load of guesswork and more innacuracy.
GT1
Mercury - 1st, 3rd, 1st = 109pts
SK - 2nd, 2nd, 4th? = 95pts
ID/#low - 8th, 1st, 2nd? = 88pts
Cyber - 4th, 4th?, 6th? = 69pts
GT2
CoRe - 1st, 2nd, 1st = 114
Mercury - 5th, 1st, 2nd = 96
TSO - 4th 3rd?, 3rd = 83
Take those with a pinch of salt, they'll be fairly accurate but it wouldnt suprise me if theres a few results out by a place.
With so many unknown results i think GT2 is pretty much correct as its helped that the same teams are finishing in the top 4-5 so you know who to look for (XFR on 78 & T7R with 70) but the GT1 class has had more 'random' results so its hard to judge without anything official being said of it all it'd just be a load of guesswork and more innacuracy.
Just so its clear, i wasnt suggesting it was a moment of stupidity or anything, i think if you hadnt done what you'd already done leading up to the event it would have caused a crash involving more people, instead you tried to keep it clean but were put in a situation were you couldnt do anything about it, i wasnt suggesting you were at fault in any way, more infact that your actions were commendable and unfortunately despite the sensible driving you got shafted pretty much, but it was a selfless act non the less. Not sure if that message came across in the original message, if it did, no harm in saying it again, hopefully it'll sink in with a few others too
FGED GREDG RDFGDR GSFDG