I'd also agree on the 'lighter' scoring system, i dont think it matters all that much, if you multiply the points by a factor of 10 you still need to do the same thing to make up the gap, but the huge points do seem a little 'daft'.
I also always thought 5pts for fastest lap was just too many points, its a bonus, but particularly in the 2nd (lesser points) race it was quite a big thing and bundled in with starting behind slower cars seemed a little wrong to an extent. It also meant the winner often got a huge amount of points from the 1st race, typically with pole and FL bonus points and then the winning points it was quite a lot to give someone who's already received 5pts for being fastest just 20min ago and now another 5 bonus points for being faster again, same again if they can manage it amongst traffic for the 2nd race.
It was just something that never sat well in my mind even before the season kicked off.
I also have another suggestion but it'll probably have to wait till season 3 probably as im quiet happy to keep it to myself a while then i'll give you guys a shout, very much doubt it'll be of any use for season 2 unless its UF1 'July-Hem'
Can give you some info over MSN but not convinced it'll be ready in time
Also completely agree with 2 cars per team, theres no need to have more than 2 cars as a partnership, having non-counting partners means you have say 4 drivers working against a 2 driver team, if one of the 2-man drivers makes a mistake they're down to 1 scoring highly, but if the same happens to the larger team its just absorbed by the fact that there queuing up to score points and IMO it isnt fair, and thats from someone who had 3 teammates (+self) competing last season. Only argument against 2-man teams could be the fact that had Rooble stuck with the season or Bio not decided he didnt want to go through the Rnd3 mess again chances are we'd have had a 1-2 in the constructors standings.
I also always thought 5pts for fastest lap was just too many points, its a bonus, but particularly in the 2nd (lesser points) race it was quite a big thing and bundled in with starting behind slower cars seemed a little wrong to an extent. It also meant the winner often got a huge amount of points from the 1st race, typically with pole and FL bonus points and then the winning points it was quite a lot to give someone who's already received 5pts for being fastest just 20min ago and now another 5 bonus points for being faster again, same again if they can manage it amongst traffic for the 2nd race.
It was just something that never sat well in my mind even before the season kicked off.
I also have another suggestion but it'll probably have to wait till season 3 probably as im quiet happy to keep it to myself a while then i'll give you guys a shout, very much doubt it'll be of any use for season 2 unless its UF1 'July-Hem'
Can give you some info over MSN but not convinced it'll be ready in time
Also completely agree with 2 cars per team, theres no need to have more than 2 cars as a partnership, having non-counting partners means you have say 4 drivers working against a 2 driver team, if one of the 2-man drivers makes a mistake they're down to 1 scoring highly, but if the same happens to the larger team its just absorbed by the fact that there queuing up to score points and IMO it isnt fair, and thats from someone who had 3 teammates (+self) competing last season. Only argument against 2-man teams could be the fact that had Rooble stuck with the season or Bio not decided he didnt want to go through the Rnd3 mess again chances are we'd have had a 1-2 in the constructors standings.
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Same thing for us, just that daytime doesnt work for our lot like evenings dont for you guys, but basically the appeal of the series drops considerably if there isnt someone there pushing you to do your best.
It seems almost pointless for us to compete in the series if there isnt competition like Cyber & Thunder in the series, we ran the majority of last season like that and i think we managed to get 13 of our 16 members taking part and there was only 16 seats (8 races, 2 cars) and we still had the series wrapped up with 1 round to go.
We basically need a Mclaren to our Ferrari, otherwise were racing BMWs and Renaults. I'd sooner have a scrap and come 2nd to a top team than win the series because there isnt competition there. Not arsed about winning, its about having competition and some sort of challenge, last season it was to see how many drivers we could field and see if we could still win, but the lack of consistant results from competitors made even that pretty easy.
The series needs a Cyber-esque team for us to compete, we certainly dont want a case of 'its either us or them', we'd like more from that class of competition.
Same thing for us, just that daytime doesnt work for our lot like evenings dont for you guys, but basically the appeal of the series drops considerably if there isnt someone there pushing you to do your best.
It seems almost pointless for us to compete in the series if there isnt competition like Cyber & Thunder in the series, we ran the majority of last season like that and i think we managed to get 13 of our 16 members taking part and there was only 16 seats (8 races, 2 cars) and we still had the series wrapped up with 1 round to go.
We basically need a Mclaren to our Ferrari, otherwise were racing BMWs and Renaults. I'd sooner have a scrap and come 2nd to a top team than win the series because there isnt competition there. Not arsed about winning, its about having competition and some sort of challenge, last season it was to see how many drivers we could field and see if we could still win, but the lack of consistant results from competitors made even that pretty easy.
The series needs a Cyber-esque team for us to compete, we certainly dont want a case of 'its either us or them', we'd like more from that class of competition.
Wow, its amazing how you managed to quote what i'd said while conveniently missing out the fact that you went to others saying the start time was now 11UTC. So THAT isnt you asking for an opinion, thats you making a decision and telling people thats when things are starting so dont give me the bullshit from what you were doing days ago when someone claims your still asking for opinions while your actually telling others a decision has been made! Spin it however you like, but fact is you've since started telling others the start time was now 11UTC.
As i've said, run the event how you want, but if its inconvenient and our drivers dont want to be inconvenienced for BOTT then we wont enter. Im not arsed if we compete in BOTT and i dont think any of our drivers are fussed either, but if its at a time when we can field a decent team then we will, if not then we wont be defending our title. Last season was crap as we had no consistant challenge like Thunder provided so it was easy to just field random people including some who hadnt driven in an event before and people who didnt even like the cars they were driving, but the fact that we could do that and get away with it showed there wasnt a decent challenge at the top, if Cyber and hopefully Thunder if they decide to start the series are competing then we'd field our strongest sides more frequently, last year we fielded our best 2 for any given combo once (GTRs, purely because we know Thunder would give us a good race) the rest of the time it was a case of whoever was free that day to practice and race for it.
Ultimately the whole problem with the start time isnt when its convenient for Europeans, because im pretty sure that could be nailed down with very little effort, but because of the Aussie organisation it means it has to be convenient for you whereas before you'd get screwed and Europe would run it when it was good for them. If Fusion were European there wouldnt be a problem, but they're not and that compromises things.
So make it 18UTC which im sure is fine for most Europeans, the thing you have to remember is its a team event and share the rounds between the team each round will only be 1 hour and 30min max now.
Considering that was what Josh told Cyber less than 24hrs ago it seems pretty final to me, and not asking for opinions.
If 11UTC is what all other teams feel is the best option then go with it, but Mercury isnt interested in giving up a whole saturday afternoon to BOTT, if it had the stature of MoE then that'd be a different matter, but nobody in our team was interested in using time they'd normally spend with the missus shopping (else earache), or spent with kids or mates on their day off work. If it was at 6pm for example when the daytime is done and evening/night hasnt started then its fair enough, but slap bang in the middle of a saturday is pretty poop when the majority of the people you want competing are the ones being put out. Less than 1/10th of the people racing last season were Australasian, maybe 1/10th from the America's and the rest were Europeans, its your series to organise as you want it and if that means you dont want 7am starts then scrap them, but obviously cancelling a time thats inconvenient to 1/10 of the entrants to one thats inconvenient to 2/5 is your call to make, and im just pointing out that an Pre-evening UTC start time wouldnt suit Mercury and i doubt we'd be taking part in it. Not asking you to change it, if its convenient then we'll put a team out, if it isnt then we wont, not fussed.
Unfortunately we saw last season when Thunder decided they couldnt be arsed any longer and Ocrana & Cyber didnt want to compete that there wasnt a consistant challenge and it made things a little uninteresting when Thunder werent there, and if Cyber cant race at a decent time then its an either/or and without a couple of equally competitive teams to challenge you its boring, whether at the front, middle or back you want something to challenge you. Without decent challenge theres no motivation, and nobody arsed about putting themselves out on a saturday afternoon when they have other things they want to do, and apparently its the same for Cyber wanting to keep their Sat Nights free (fair play to them), but unless theres a Cyber/Ocrana(whatever they're called are this month)/Thunder challenge on the track (or 1ST stepping up a notch as they seem to for MoE) then if its inconveniently timed then its not worth the hassle of trying to pester people to do something they dont want to or put out a so-so team to satisfy obligations to the event.
Take all that however you want, I cant be arsed BS'ing an opinion when really i mean something else, thats how it is. Not asking/demanding for the time to be changed, just saying that the noon (EU) start means we dont have drivers wanting to race, and an evening start with no competitive Cyber-esque teams to race with is not much better either, we'd race but field mixed drivers and see how many we can manage again, win or lose.
Is it possible...
To have a couple dozen more sticky threads please? 
Dont think i realised just how bad it was in here, but the fact that on 1280x1024 resolution the sub-forum loads up with a screen full of stickies (and 4-5 to scroll down past) before you get to the new threads seems a bit stupid, particularly when half of the stickies are just normal threads that for some reason have been made sticky when dont really need to be.
Might be a better idea to have 1 locked thread for News and post any series announcements in there and link to a standard thread for people to comment on it if need be, it keeps things much tidier if all the important stuff is made sticky and limited timeframe threads are kept as normal, so that in the window that they have any importance they'll be on top anyway, if its something that effects the whole series then sticky it, but thread after thread of stickies is a bit excessive unless you moderate it frequently and un-sticky them after a week or so when they no longer hold any relevence.
Stuff which is important that people see it should be stickied, the latest bit of chit-chat shouldnt be otherwise the stuff that IS important gets lost within junk stickies. Updates on points and stuff should just be a normal post that eventually drops down the list with all old threads.
IMO 5 of the threads should be stickies (Rules, Dates, Scoring, Password & Driver division info) and the rest could either be organised better into one of those 5 threads or doesnt really need to be a sticky to get peoples attention if it wasnt for the forest of stickies blocking standard threads.
Only bring this up because at a glance it looks like theres no new threads or posts, when really theres a couple but they're hidden under a pile of stickies.
Dont think i realised just how bad it was in here, but the fact that on 1280x1024 resolution the sub-forum loads up with a screen full of stickies (and 4-5 to scroll down past) before you get to the new threads seems a bit stupid, particularly when half of the stickies are just normal threads that for some reason have been made sticky when dont really need to be.
Might be a better idea to have 1 locked thread for News and post any series announcements in there and link to a standard thread for people to comment on it if need be, it keeps things much tidier if all the important stuff is made sticky and limited timeframe threads are kept as normal, so that in the window that they have any importance they'll be on top anyway, if its something that effects the whole series then sticky it, but thread after thread of stickies is a bit excessive unless you moderate it frequently and un-sticky them after a week or so when they no longer hold any relevence.
Stuff which is important that people see it should be stickied, the latest bit of chit-chat shouldnt be otherwise the stuff that IS important gets lost within junk stickies. Updates on points and stuff should just be a normal post that eventually drops down the list with all old threads.
IMO 5 of the threads should be stickies (Rules, Dates, Scoring, Password & Driver division info) and the rest could either be organised better into one of those 5 threads or doesnt really need to be a sticky to get peoples attention if it wasnt for the forest of stickies blocking standard threads.
Only bring this up because at a glance it looks like theres no new threads or posts, when really theres a couple but they're hidden under a pile of stickies.
That got binned the second Cyber decided they couldnt race at any other time because 'coz people like to go out with friends and everything' and because its an Aussie team organising it they'll happily latch onto anything that means no 7am starts for them. As i said last time round when start times were being discussed, they're an Aussie team wanting the best teams to take part but basically want to do it at a time thats convenient to them, but that means its a shit time for everyone else.
11UTC means:
4:00am USA West Coast
8:00am USA East Coast
12:00pm BST
1:00pm CET
2:00pm EET
8:00pm Aus West Coast
10:00pm Aus East Coast
Thats including Daylight Saving Time, which about half of the series will observe, when it leaves DST it goes back an hour meaning 3am/7am/11am/12pm/1pm/7pm/9pm for the above.
meaning...
if your in the America's, thanks for looking, cya round some time.
if your in Europe, wave goodbye to your Saturdays.
if your in Australia, all peachy.
Also, anyone competing in MoE will be racing at the same time as BOTT, either on the same day occasionally or on an alternative day but thats then 3 out of 4 saturdays gone to LFS.
What this also highlights is why its stupid to try and organise endurance length races, the Yanks wont fancy 4hrs racing starting at 5am (average usa time), the Europeans wont want to give up a whole saturday to BOTT and MoE once a month, and the Aussies worst case scenario stay up till about 1am.
Not to worry though folks, a better alternative was offered to me the other day, apparently 11UTC on Friday could be managable, all the Europeans will take a day off work or school/college/Uni whatever and the Yanks will get up at a stupid time and go straight to work afterwards with a couple hours sleep. The Aussies will give up.... friday evenings.
At <18 UTC then Mercury isnt taking part, we went through this last time round and didnt have a single person saying they'd be able to manage it, the America's get screwed completely and the Europeans sacrifice a Saturday afternoon every other week on top of MoE.
In the event that non-participating/non-conflicting interests members cant be found, maybe an alternative could be for either each team has 1 person as a judge, either they all get an opinion or 3 of them who's interests dont conflict with the incident and any outcome are consulted?
Just not sure how many people would have an interest in following events in a series they have no 'interests' involved (by that i mean teammates or friends competing) to be arsed about becoming part of a 'problem solving group', typically its only people who give a damn about something that wish to help out.
Just not sure how many people would have an interest in following events in a series they have no 'interests' involved (by that i mean teammates or friends competing) to be arsed about becoming part of a 'problem solving group', typically its only people who give a damn about something that wish to help out.
I've said in the past i'd be happy to do them, but as im sure will have been noted last season sometimes im just too busy to be able to do them, just too many things going on, i only recently put the news of the last 2 BOTT rounds and first 3 UF1000 news on the site and that was spread over a good month, and it all went on the site in 1 night (well, morning). If r4ptor is able to do it then thats great, my offer is still there i just cant guarantee i'll have the time to write it up within a couple of days of the event which is pretty much the timespan for which the news is considered relevent I guess.
Yeah, great job done, didnt have things all that easy on a few occasions, some tough calls to make, but all done pretty quickly and fairly for everyone i think.
For a first attempt at a series, it makes it even more impressive.
Still, I dont agree with the scoring system, any series that can have me as a winner is definately wrong somewhere
For a first attempt at a series, it makes it even more impressive.
Still, I dont agree with the scoring system, any series that can have me as a winner is definately wrong somewhere
Paulie taking the series Lewis Hamilton style, no race wins just runner-up and podium spots and through nothing but shear flukes somehow ended up winning the series overall. 
Dont quite understand the scoring for the round that puts me and Pecker just 1 point appart, but then i can say that about all the R5 scores but with nothing concrete to confirm bonus points for Q and FL i guess its something odd within them.
Pecker has 33 bonus points, Mikey has 30, i have 6? (based on 210/192/174 scoring)
Assuming FL is still equal points to Pole as other round, Mikey only secured Pole and has 30pts, pecker has 33 for FL and 2nd in qual. and i get a piddly 3pts which is the original amount given for this round, before doubling up...
Overall order is the same, just cant wrap my head around how the figures are worked out
As mikey says, had he not been Disconnected on (my scoring at least) he'd have been 2nd, but then who knows hehe. and while i feel horrible at the same time i'd be lying if i didnt say im thankful now my mistake screwed him up, cant be having that Pecker win yet another thing. Sorry about that though Mikey, i had a really horrible 6-7 laps all of a sudden (you caught me on 2nd/3rd lap of that lot i think), i'd had the same thing at the beginning of qual where every lap at the same place things would get really stuttery, then for as little reason for it appearing in the first place it disappeared again. After that it was fine and i was putting in decent laps again.
Thanks to ZWR for organising the series and everyone for taking part, definately looking forward to any future series in this car, definately not my favourite car but quite fond of it now, initially seems such an easy car to drive cos its slow and a bit 'numb' but it certainly makes you work for those laptimes to be competitive.
Dont quite understand the scoring for the round that puts me and Pecker just 1 point appart, but then i can say that about all the R5 scores but with nothing concrete to confirm bonus points for Q and FL i guess its something odd within them.
Pecker has 33 bonus points, Mikey has 30, i have 6? (based on 210/192/174 scoring)
Assuming FL is still equal points to Pole as other round, Mikey only secured Pole and has 30pts, pecker has 33 for FL and 2nd in qual. and i get a piddly 3pts which is the original amount given for this round, before doubling up...
Overall order is the same, just cant wrap my head around how the figures are worked out
As mikey says, had he not been Disconnected on (my scoring at least) he'd have been 2nd, but then who knows hehe. and while i feel horrible at the same time i'd be lying if i didnt say im thankful now my mistake screwed him up, cant be having that Pecker win yet another thing. Sorry about that though Mikey, i had a really horrible 6-7 laps all of a sudden (you caught me on 2nd/3rd lap of that lot i think), i'd had the same thing at the beginning of qual where every lap at the same place things would get really stuttery, then for as little reason for it appearing in the first place it disappeared again. After that it was fine and i was putting in decent laps again.
Thanks to ZWR for organising the series and everyone for taking part, definately looking forward to any future series in this car, definately not my favourite car but quite fond of it now, initially seems such an easy car to drive cos its slow and a bit 'numb' but it certainly makes you work for those laptimes to be competitive.
Couple of corrections to point out:
Viper - Round 2, 1 point more than should be
PaulC2K - Round 2, 1 point less than should be
Pretty sure you've put Viper down as qualifying 3rd, i pipped him to it on the last lap (as i flukily did last week)
Should be 84 & 82pts, and the totals reflecting that. Team standings are correct as your taking from one and giving to the other
Qstomeq - Round 1, retired from 1st race, 7th in 2nd race, 2nd in qual = 0+18+3 = 21, somehow has 39. Spectated during lap 20 of 30, 66% distance, 24 laps would have been 80% distance.
Hotmail/Hoiting - Round 1, finished 8th in race 1, retired during lap 11 of 15 (80% = complete lap 13), no bonuses = 32 + 0
Fusion - McintyreJ got 90pts at Rnd 4, Kaw got 46, total = 136pts (listed as just Kaw's 46)
Suspect its possible this wasnt counted as no indication that Mc was taking Qsto's place? which i'd guess was the case but possibly didnt inform folks.
(i've counted it in my scoring) also Qsto's incorrect scoring calculations throw this total out (i have them at 367)
ZWR - out by 10, see Hoiting comments.
Only thing i can see which could be inaccurate would be my scoring of Fusion for round 4 if they didnt notify you of a team line-up change and your sticking to 'no notification, no points' for it. Otherwise 80% distance makes 2 scores incorrect and then just a mix-up with who took 3rd in Qual at FE Club between me & vipey.
Im definately demanding my point for 3rd in qual back, i need the 2pts that effectively gives me over viper (-1 & +1 = 2pt gain) to try and peg him back at the last race, however as ive spent more time checking those scores than i have practicing maybe my priorities are wrong
Viper - Round 2, 1 point more than should be
PaulC2K - Round 2, 1 point less than should be
Pretty sure you've put Viper down as qualifying 3rd, i pipped him to it on the last lap (as i flukily did last week
)Should be 84 & 82pts, and the totals reflecting that. Team standings are correct as your taking from one and giving to the other
Qstomeq - Round 1, retired from 1st race, 7th in 2nd race, 2nd in qual = 0+18+3 = 21, somehow has 39. Spectated during lap 20 of 30, 66% distance, 24 laps would have been 80% distance.
Hotmail/Hoiting - Round 1, finished 8th in race 1, retired during lap 11 of 15 (80% = complete lap 13), no bonuses = 32 + 0
Fusion - McintyreJ got 90pts at Rnd 4, Kaw got 46, total = 136pts (listed as just Kaw's 46)
Suspect its possible this wasnt counted as no indication that Mc was taking Qsto's place? which i'd guess was the case but possibly didnt inform folks.
(i've counted it in my scoring) also Qsto's incorrect scoring calculations throw this total out (i have them at 367)
ZWR - out by 10, see Hoiting comments.
Only thing i can see which could be inaccurate would be my scoring of Fusion for round 4 if they didnt notify you of a team line-up change and your sticking to 'no notification, no points' for it. Otherwise 80% distance makes 2 scores incorrect and then just a mix-up with who took 3rd in Qual at FE Club between me & vipey.
Im definately demanding my point for 3rd in qual back, i need the 2pts that effectively gives me over viper (-1 & +1 = 2pt gain) to try and peg him back at the last race, however as ive spent more time checking those scores than i have practicing maybe my priorities are wrong
So that puts you into the 'Cannot make it' group, rather than people who just cant be arsed turning up to do races they commited to. If theres a reason you cant make an un-planned date then obviously its understood. yes?
lol, doesnt ask what team im entering, so im not telling
Just to be clear, can the past participants of BOTT just confirm they will be taking part, and provide any additional info that you dont already have?
Pretty sure the main intention for all the above is just to get details from new teams to display a 'cv' for consideration, but if you want it all over again i can send you the URL again as im pretty sure its still sitting on our website
Just to be clear, can the past participants of BOTT just confirm they will be taking part, and provide any additional info that you dont already have?
Pretty sure the main intention for all the above is just to get details from new teams to display a 'cv' for consideration, but if you want it all over again i can send you the URL again as im pretty sure its still sitting on our website
Of course you are, you've got a sh*tty situation to resolve and it can only be fixed be with a sh*tty solution, if it was an easy problem it'd be solved with an easy solution. So yes, of course your damned if you do, damned if you dont.
Out of those who turned up on Thursday, how many cannot make a race on Tuesday? I thought everything was sorted out to have that round then, if those the other day dont want to do another round with only 7-8 people then i guess theres no choice (though personally seems a bit BS to combine scores for a race because people CBA doing it rather than cannot make it).
It'd be pretty unlikely that a D2 driver would take out a D1 driver who was fighting for the championship tbh, nobody will (plan to) pit in the first 25min that much i do know, so chances are unless a D2 is lightning quick and a top D1 is le poop, they're not likely to meet.
lapping D2 drivers & crappy qualifying asside, the 2 divisions will probably be fine.
Not too impressed at losing a round, i mean after 3 round im 2nd in the championship with 258pts, and the D1 winner of this round will score 210pts from taking 1st place alone!! (only 3 drivers have over 210 at the moment, 3 races in!) Personally i think thats a bit of a crappy way to end the series, i mean the final race was always going to have a big impact on the result, now it pretty much decides it single handedly
Still, when half the field cant be bothered taking part anymore and only 7/8 turn up for the last round i guess its understandable, just a shame that it makes this a race for 3x normal feature race points.
Unofficial Round 4 results
To be confirmed/approved...
Division 1 - Race 1:
1. NorwegianViper 31:12.160 20 0
2. PaulC2K +0:03.330 20 0
3. mcintyrej +0:03.400 20 0
4. mr_x +0:19.840 20 0
5. Kaw +0:20.920 20 0
6. Dru +1 laps 19 1
Retired - Mikey (Disco)
Division 1 - Race 2:
1. mikey_G 15:41.500 10 0
2. mcintyrej +0:17.040 10 0
3. PaulC2K +0:38.160 10 0
4. Dru +0:47.880 10 0
5. NorwegianViper +0:57.730 10 1
6. mr_x +1 laps 9 1
Unofficial Driver standings (Results from rounds 1, 2 & 4)
Viper - 284
PaulC2K - 258
Pecker - 212
McintyreJ - 196
mr_x - 182
Mikey - 180
Kaw - 177
Dru - 153
Qsto - 100
....
Unofficial Team standings (Results from rounds 1, 2 & 4)
Merc Old - 542
Fusion - 367
ZWR #1 - 320
Merc Yng - 293
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No Blackwood or South City
AS x2
KY x3
FE x2
WE x1
Love Ky Long, but why is it there twice, and both times with the crappy FO8?
Wheres the South City & Blackwood configs, BL1 is the home of LFS, not having that track in there is just plain wrong.
I'd also question GTRs @ FE Black, the GTR round should be somewhere like Kyoto Long or Blackwood, a true racing track not somewhere like Fern Bay which is a clubmans track, IRL it wouldnt get any sort of prestigious event, it'd get the run of the mill stuff, the TBO, LRF, XFG/XRG type stuff.
The cars need to fit in with the tracks they're racing on IMO.
AS x2
KY x3
FE x2
WE x1
Love Ky Long, but why is it there twice, and both times with the crappy FO8?
Wheres the South City & Blackwood configs, BL1 is the home of LFS, not having that track in there is just plain wrong.
I'd also question GTRs @ FE Black, the GTR round should be somewhere like Kyoto Long or Blackwood, a true racing track not somewhere like Fern Bay which is a clubmans track, IRL it wouldnt get any sort of prestigious event, it'd get the run of the mill stuff, the TBO, LRF, XFG/XRG type stuff.
The cars need to fit in with the tracks they're racing on IMO.
Why the hell would you want to do an endurance race with the MRT!?! Its a autox car people tollerated on tracks because it was the only single seater back in S1.
Im not a huge fan of wasting time qualifying instead of racing, and in my mind anything that you can do in 10-15min to get a top 10 is good enough to decide the race start order, instead you have the likes of a shootout which adds about 10min more onto it all. I'd rather see that time used racing, where things actually count for something instead of having 2/3 of the grid sitting round waiting for others to do 2 laps
Also, why run sprint races and Endurances with the same configs?
Fern Bay Black - GTR
Kyoto Ring Long - F08
Westhill International - XFR/UFR
They're being run twice? Sprint and Endurance... why?? (WE1R is far better than WE1, WE1R FTW!!)
Im not a huge fan of wasting time qualifying instead of racing, and in my mind anything that you can do in 10-15min to get a top 10 is good enough to decide the race start order, instead you have the likes of a shootout which adds about 10min more onto it all. I'd rather see that time used racing, where things actually count for something instead of having 2/3 of the grid sitting round waiting for others to do 2 laps
Also, why run sprint races and Endurances with the same configs?
Fern Bay Black - GTR
Kyoto Ring Long - F08
Westhill International - XFR/UFR
They're being run twice? Sprint and Endurance... why?? (WE1R is far better than WE1, WE1R FTW!!)
So the series is carrying on with its original race dates and the round at Aston Cadet will be rescheduled onto a different date?
Just want to be sure as i've only just got things back up and running having made at least a dozen attempts to install XP onto any one of my 5 HDDs (1 being 2 weeks old and happily accepted that pile of poop Vista on it last weekend) for some reason it really didnt want to install onto one of my SATA drives so it went onto the only ATA drive (which i'd classed as f*cked and was partly the reason i was formatting to begin with!).
Fridays are about the only night that isnt good for me, but if push came to shove I could always give that a miss for a week i guess.
Personally Mondays would work better, purely because then its not right on top of another nights racing.
Just want to be sure as i've only just got things back up and running having made at least a dozen attempts to install XP onto any one of my 5 HDDs (1 being 2 weeks old and happily accepted that pile of poop Vista on it last weekend) for some reason it really didnt want to install onto one of my SATA drives so it went onto the only ATA drive (which i'd classed as f*cked and was partly the reason i was formatting to begin with!).
Fridays are about the only night that isnt good for me, but if push came to shove I could always give that a miss for a week i guess.
Personally Mondays would work better, purely because then its not right on top of another nights racing.
Yeah, i noticed that very early on and it was quite off-putting, i know i mentioned you were doing it over TS to try and make sure the other guys didnt get caught out by it, it certainly caused me trouble because i was lightly braking for something i didnt really need to and couldnt stay tight enough to you for the last corner to make a pass down the straight. Of course the lap i move over and let viper through you went wide and by the end of the straight he'd passed you and i was still stuck behind you
Glad to see this matter resolved anyway
They also have the potential to be extremely quiet, uneventful races where for the most part theres no pressure or closely fought racing.
Sprint races are short tight racing, no time to wait and follow for a dozen laps incase something happens, no hoping that strategies come into play.
They're both perfect examples of top level racing series, one relies more on consistancy and planning, the other relies on instinct and being able to make a move when you need to while side-by-side with close pack racing. Who's to say which is the harder and should be rewarded most. The V8 Supercar series is the only series i know of which runs mixed format racing, they have 1 point system, and thats divided by the number of races held that round, so a wins worth 360/180/120 or something like that. I cant think of an example of a series IRL that has any kind of bonus points round/s at any stage, but then most series are pretty sterile with flat formats.
Sprint races are short tight racing, no time to wait and follow for a dozen laps incase something happens, no hoping that strategies come into play.
They're both perfect examples of top level racing series, one relies more on consistancy and planning, the other relies on instinct and being able to make a move when you need to while side-by-side with close pack racing. Who's to say which is the harder and should be rewarded most. The V8 Supercar series is the only series i know of which runs mixed format racing, they have 1 point system, and thats divided by the number of races held that round, so a wins worth 360/180/120 or something like that. I cant think of an example of a series IRL that has any kind of bonus points round/s at any stage, but then most series are pretty sterile with flat formats.
same here, but apparently that easily gets interpreted into 'whine whine whine, i cant pass backmarkers, whine whine, make it easy and boring please' to many people.
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