Quote from The Very End :

The new car looks great, looks like a mix of Fo8 and Fox

When you compare the new car and FOX, then the FOX looks like its 30 years old.

Quote from SpikeyMarcoD :

I get a 7-Zip error on exe after coubleclicking? Not a supported archive?

It should work fine. You probably have an error with downloading. Try downloading it again.


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I just remembered that the car selection window is full. No more cars will fit. I wonder how that is solved. Having them all on the same page is a good thing.





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Quote from The Very End :

Nice!
Thank you Scawen. I`ll guess that the patch are not far away eighter hmmm?

Scawen, my birthday is on Friday. You already know my wish for a present

Quote from dev :

Ok, I obviously missed something... Why do we need a new viewer?

Dude, were u been. We need it for the new car.

Quote from the_angry_angel :

I've got some slightly silly ones (sorry);

• Scawen's hair length
  

Why does everyone think Scawen has cut his hair. I mean it looks all puffy. My guess is he just had to put it in a pony tail... otherwise it'll get sucked into the ram air intake or smth...

Quote from the_angry_angel :

• The continuing existance of Eric
  

yeah I bet Eric wanted to drive that car also... heck, who wouldn't. But I guess he'll be happy once he has to start modeling the grid girls and has to "take some photos" "to be accurate"

Quote from Hurley24 :

i was woundering if there is going be a anti unlocker. Iam bring this up because i am going to buy a S2 licence after x-mas and my friend has an unlocker, so he's getting the same things as everyone else and i find it unfare..........i can send it to a MOD next time im over so they can pass it on so it can be stoped.

iam probley going to be unwelcome after this post but i want it to be stoped!!

P.S if i could an S2 license out of this that would be really cool but if not i can wait till x-mas

I could understand your sense of do-goodery, but this is way too strange... So a person who you call "friend" has some benefits and you want to take them away from him? And you would go as far as sending the crack from the very same computer he allows you to play the game from? The computer which is in his home and where he invites you as a guest... Talk about stabbing your friend in the back

P.S. I'm not pro-crack

Great news. I really love the part about the AI being improved. And physics improvements are always welcome... as are new cars

Scawen, when you crashed the car were they like "nein, nein!! Zie anglishman wrecked our new otto!" or were they like "well, you didnt pull a Kubica, so no harm done, here ya go... another shiny front wing for you!"

Happy birthday!

Quote from southamptonfc :

Ok, so some people want AI but surely it's a question of whether the majority of users want AI?

For me, AI is pointless. Like playing BF2 with AI, it would be no fun after playing the real thing....

Yeah, cos you = majority, we should ditch AI. Especially, as Scawen has spent so much time on it now.

Quote from axus :

It's good that there haven't been updates for a while as far as I'm concerned. Firstly, this is the first major physics incompatible patch since the beginning of last year. Physics takes time and it should be done properly. And not only that, the AI are getting updated in this patch so it really is a biggie. The longer this patch takes, the more updates it will have where it matters. I for one am hoping for a Christmas release, which would be really awesome. Furthermore, in recent weeks, I've often seen the online users hit more than 1400, so LFS is far from dead. ... Relax, if you're bored of LFS, take a break. The next patch promises to be quite awesome, I think.

OT:

"Kurb" means "sad" in Estonian.

End OT

JESUS!! Is Scawen really pronounced like Victor does it??? :wtf2oes this mean I have been incorrectly pronouncing Scawen's name in my head for six years!?!?!?!?!?!?:sadbanana

I dont want to defend anyone here, but the oval we have in LFS is dumb... You can drive any car there with full throttle. The FO8, however, is a very tail-happy car. Driving it fast on a twisty track with acceleration spots is very challenging.

Quote from Bob Smith :

I seem to recall in some racing games in the past, you would always have a higher straight line speed advantage. I mean massively so. I think it was because the AI would corner well and it was assumed kids would muck it up, so you were given a faster car (or they were given a slower one) and you'd zoom by everyone on the next straight. I seem to recall NFS2 was a bit like this.

NFS2 had a catch up system. If you fell behind the other cars would go slower. This would somehow also work in two player mode.

Quote from aoun :

ah very true, but if i moved back into my spot, what difference would that make?

In theory none. In practice no one is allowed to move on the grid and no one does.

Quote from p5srono :

then race real ppl? i prefer to play single player unless its drift or a cruise server but thats just cos i dont want to spend the time perfectin the racin lines and gettin to involved, after all its just a game and i only play to have fun(ur ideas will vary to mine obviously) it does just sound like u need to race some real ppl who wont let u pass on t1 cos they all have the same idea and wont crawl past, they will cut u up, defend the line, brake late etc, ai is fun but it never changes so its never challengin, my view on online racin is limited since i just dont do it often but my small amount of time doin it was a lot more fun than racin ai

What can I answer to this... I have raced people online, but I am talking about AI and unrealism. You are talking about something else... I say "the coffee needs more sugar" and you say "if the coffee is not sweet enough, try tee...".

Please no "oh no another thread on this" posts here. Don't wanna read then don't read. But I don't need to hear it.

This is not a feature request thread!

This is not about LFS but racing games in general.

I hope I am taking a bit of a different view on AI realism or the lack of in racing games in general. Here is a small list of big annoyances I have made in over ten years of sim racing:

1) The first corner. In playing almost any racing game the first unrealistic thing you notice is that with a bit of skill you can come from the back of the grid to almost the first place in the run to the first corner. Now that's just insulting. Really silly that is. I mean wtf is that about!??? Any game that calls itself a simulator can not have me starting from the last place in a Minardi and be in the lead into the first corner.:banghead: One of the few games I noticed that this was not so bad was Grand Prix Legends... I guess the problem comes from the AI being too overly cautious around other cars!?

2) In the pack. When a lot of cars are together they go slow around corners so just go ahead and pass all ten of them. :banghead:

3) AI has awful corner entry and corner speed. Ever followed an AI car and at the end of the straight he jumps on the brakes 50 meters too early. Well, guess what, that happens in almost all games. Overtaking is made dim. Just line up the inside and brake at your normal braking point or a bit earlier. You can pass even 2-3 cars easily. Cos they brake freakin 50 meters too early!!!!!:banghead: In the middle of corners also the AI is just way slow.

4) Corner exit and straight speed. I don’t know if it’s the corner exit, limited straight speed or whatever, but in many games you just blitz past the competition on the straight.

5) Spinner on/near track. The AI has just two modes depending on the game. They either slam straight into the spinner or stand still on the track. I was playing the new WTCC 07 demo and I was slowing down off the racing line on the track to let the AI drivers past. Well, what they did was slow down also I mean like 50km/h. They even continued slow driving when well past my car.

6) cutting opportunity. A la 2007 eau rogue. If there is a small cutting opportunity on the track then in real life drivers have at least 2 wheels across the rumble strip. The AI will not do it but will drive unrealistically the correct line. Mind you, I’m not talking here about cutting a whole corner.

Summary. Thus, the normal race with AI goes like this. I start the race in last cos I couldn’t be bothered to qualify (why? See point 1.). At the start I’m 3rd into the first corner. At the second corner I overtake the other two cars in one swift move. Half a lap and 3 seconds ahead I decide there is no point in this. I slow down off the racing line to let the AI past. When they approach they slow down and slowly pas my crawling car. All cars slow down. Thus, to let the whole pack past, the first drivers will get way ahead. OK, now I start my race again by trying to overtake the AI. I overtake two AI cars into the next corner. Now I come up to a bunch of AI’s who get to a corner. They go really-really slow. I slam into them cos they surprised me with that earlier than usual braking. Etc… You get the point. I’m sick of that.

What games get a worthy mention:
GPL – the race starts are one of the most realistic. Maybe that’s because there weren’t too many slow first corner on the 1967 tracks… dunno
Generally – Drive around a track hotlaping and save the replay. Then upload the replay to the track and have the AI use those lines - suddenly the AI drives like you. They don’t brake in silly places and don’t take stupid lines through corners.


I just hope whatever Scawen is working on does not end up like this. And I hope all future game developers will also not make the AI like this. I know its easy to talk and apparently hard to do… But someone has to whine. /END RANT

Scavier has been busy and silent for 2 months now. This usually means a lot of things are being done... or a few things but really well. That's what I like about Scawen - when he does things, he does 'em thoroghly. I also hope Scawen has done some holiday'ing... a few weeks at least.

Quote from Mustafur :

Le Sarthe

Is that the clever way to say "Le Mans"? :rolleyes:

Is this worth getting cynical about?

Quote from bluejudas :

Tnx
I have now updated all LFS Norway servers All our public serveres was down this morning, I guess some child "had fun" crashing them They can try now...

Can't you track those guys down and prosecute them? And can't we do the same for Phlos?

Quote from Jakg :

I've been playing LFS for 2 years, approaching 31,000 miles, and i'm nowhere near bored of it - i just don't get that with any other game. It's well worth the cash i've spent on it!

Same here

Quote from wheel4hummer :

And then after you click yes, it should say: "Are you ABSOLUTELY SURE...

Surely you mean "OBSOLUTELY"

Quote from BlakjeKaas :

I don't want that track making rubbish...

look at it...

seriously, that can't be good.

So don't download it. Nobody will ever force you to use it, believe me.

Quote from frankwer :

3dsmax is the best way to make tracks...EOD.

Not everyone has the time to learn a 3d program and use it to design a track.

This system has an advantage that you don't need any special skills.