thanks for this brilliant proof of concept.
/over and out
Please do yourself a favour and dont bring your personal failures into this thread. If you still fail to realize that bumpdrafting wasn't allowed at the time then im really sorry for you. I still have the replay showing a group of people trying to draft eachother. You where bumping someone else in order to catch up which wouldn't really be a problem but you kept on bumping and caused a major crash within this group. If you think, and keeping previous incidents in mind (at our and other servers, with this and your other accounts), that this ban was not justified then im even more sorry for your poor way of judgement.
/vomits
/vomits
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well no doubt about papy's nascar series and its realism but nevertheless, LFS still offers a heck lot of fun even tho the physics engine is not the way its supposed to be, at least for this kind of racing. I've been playing NR02 & 03 quite excessively and for some reason, LFS still offered some great action for me, day in and day out. I would like to see some improvements in that respect, no doubt about that. But at the same time, why should *we* not make use of what we've got and make the best out of it?
"Draft and pass" as you call it can be really thrilling, especially if more then two cars are involved (presumed knowing what they are doing). Im missing the "push pull effect" everytime which would add a lot more to the race strategy but in the end, its all about either having a good race/ time together or going for a nice lap time/ or position (for short races that is). So it doesn't *really* makes a difference...
So in this respect, LFS doesn't fall short of oval racing but its on its way to get there, if you know what i mean (if improvements are going to happen as realism is demanding)
didnt mean to wake dead horses but i guess this sort of gives you an idea about it.
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=255879#post255879
didnt followed the thread at all but did read through sinbads post and can only agree on his idea about a "real road car". This would give the common advice: "its not the setup but the driver thats important..." (or simular stuff..) a whole new meaning...i guess. If its comming along with the "LFSHAP" then maybe a proper (somelike close the the real one) setup together with a "fixed setup server option" (like in nascar racing) would be another solution? Anyhow, im fine with anything as long as its not a "smart".
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my guess is that it has been made with one lfs version and used in another one. I remember some autocross layouts had to be redone for some reason at one point of development because placed objects where inside eachother.
indeed, dont listen to the "hackhead" ...
not really as far as i can see it. They where fighting eachother fair and square, giving eachother room up to a point where it was obvious that line defending is in no more use and that point was mostly before the opponent run out of tarmac. Have a look at that one touch beginning at approximately 2:50 min, gilles most likely only hit René slighty there because of this odd formed turn exit and change to the next turn entry there. Also, look at the long straight where both where not going to the inside before the next turn or waving around like mad to confuse the car behind. Thats the best hint you can get in my opinion.
although its close stuff, this is just one hotlapper defending his line against another one. I mean come one, forcing eachother off the track several times...you dont need a brain for this. They where lucky not to end up in a wall thats all.
Haha, if they'd fight eachother outside like they do on track then they wouldn't get far anyway
Thanks for the additional informations though 
well no pitstops at all would be boring, i agree on that. Right now, as DC has mentioned, people with sprint fuel load are going to be up front and most likely end up in the top ten under "normal conditions". But if conditions are radically changing or are not as good as predicted then people like DC are going to have better chances for good positions. That means that its a classed field and although the cars are rather equally, the strategy is more important and more determining for a success or failure then the ability to look after your car and use it as best as possible no matter how good or bad its going to behave under given or changing conditions. Or in other words: you dont really need endurance related skills for an endurance type of race, like getting a feel for your car and its constantly changing performance over the long run. As long as you manage to do the sprints you dont really have to worry that much about such things as tire wear and this is kind of boring actually. Funny thing is, like the last race has shown that some drivers sometimes cant even manage to complete their sprints without getting a flat tire while DC with a much more heavier car managed to finish at ease
well im host and admin at the same time while hosting from in game rather then from the dedicated app if im not mistaken. But youre right about the network debug messages (or lets call em system messages...or whats the actual term for no "chat-feature" created messages? :shrug and such. They are not beeing recorded afaik (98.67% sure).
and such. They are not beeing recorded afaik (98.67% sure).i honestly cant remember when i have seen DC using "sprint fuel load" lately (let it be this and the previous session altogether) so this is no suprise for me I like the idea and perhaps with the slicks comming up next session this could be seriously considered. But im not sure about how well those tires are going to behave over the long run though. Lets see...
I like the idea and perhaps with the slicks comming up next session this could be seriously considered. But im not sure about how well those tires are going to behave over the long run though. Lets see...i do remember that when i was hosting a server a couple of weeks back that the ip adresses showed up while a new player connected while the network debug thingy was enabled..or is my memory fooling me there? Was a normal host and not dedicated though.
I turned that stuff off a long time ago. While i do know that its actually part of realism, i do believe that it is not realistic at all to adjust some sliders for the G-forces just the simulate effects that are not even helpful at all in real life. Im sorry but im stering at a screen already (limited fov) and so i dont need such effects to make things even worse. Infact, it feels much more natural without those "effects". Fun to watch replays with it afterwards but for race conditions? No thanks.
please someone send those pilgrims tools and enough material to build a huge wall around their "flat earth"...and cut all wires too while at it!!:hide:
just out of curiosity, where did you got those values from?
Honestly, i dont know what youre talking about mate
Im talking about a whole new class. (and servers are usually using just one at a time iic) Basically the TBO class cars used to fit inbetween the TBO and GTR class for instance.
I dont like the UFR/ XFR cars at all (FWD (only - atm?) - not intentionally build for race conditions (afaik) "but to have a much saver ride from the shop back home" (or so..), not to mention the significant disadvantages in terms of weight distribution and how it overtaxes the front wheels the more power/ torque is available). To be fair, its fun to drive those cars every now and then but compared to an XRT/ FZ5 / LX6 it just doesnt feels right. Just in case, im aware about the usage of FWD cars in many race classes but im simple referring on this purely (for my personal taste) RWD lacking GT2(?) class in LFS right now.
Maybe this new class or those cars could either be an addition to that so called GT2(?) class or an completely independed one. Maybe even slightly less powered but still "very race car oriented" (where the exact definition for this is a bit cloudy to me at the moment) (just like in the videos, meaning spanks and mine (STCC or early to mid 90s DTM), shown in my first reply here).
So just for clarification, like every other class/ car, everything is or should be predefined and you dont need to play "NFS-underground-carbon pimp my ride _whatever_ game" beforehand in order to remain competitive. Also, the unique class related attributes should remain up to a decent amount, meaning the characteristics that makes the TBO class what it is (power-weight distribution for instance(?)). It should be something unique as well, something with a nice handling reminding on a road car in combination (or restricted/ enhanced in that respect, depending on how its been realized i guess, if ever...) with some GTR car atributes, something that perhaps prepares you a bit for the GTR class if youre rather new to the game for instance, everything nicely adjusted indeed.
I talking about stuff like specially tailored engine tweaking, slicks, a slightly wider track in combination with an adjusted bodywork only for this purpose, corresponding front and/ or rear end spoiler, rollcage, weight saving by removing stuff that serves no purpose on a race track and so on...
You shall get an completely new experience with cars you have already driven before many times in the "normal road version". Which of all of those things could or should be added, i dont know since im not into that technical stuff of the official STCC or (early to mid 90s) DTM classes. But as i have said already, all with the goal to get something that fits inbetween or broadens the already existing GT2(?) class.
Maybe the TBO class is or should already represent just that? If so then im sorry for wasting your time.
However, im not demanding anything thus im not in the position to do so anyway nor am i obviously taking all possible facts into account for this exact reason. So this is why im open for any corrections on this matter (and/ or my limited english skills of course if you feel like it).
Please dont count "(" or ")" or " or " or the word "class" or anything else that has been used too many times by me. I know...
/meh
Im talking about a whole new class. (and servers are usually using just one at a time iic) Basically the TBO class cars used to fit inbetween the TBO and GTR class for instance.
I dont like the UFR/ XFR cars at all (FWD (only - atm?) - not intentionally build for race conditions (afaik) "but to have a much saver ride from the shop back home" (or so..), not to mention the significant disadvantages in terms of weight distribution and how it overtaxes the front wheels the more power/ torque is available). To be fair, its fun to drive those cars every now and then but compared to an XRT/ FZ5 / LX6 it just doesnt feels right. Just in case, im aware about the usage of FWD cars in many race classes but im simple referring on this purely (for my personal taste) RWD lacking GT2(?) class in LFS right now.
Maybe this new class or those cars could either be an addition to that so called GT2(?) class or an completely independed one. Maybe even slightly less powered but still "very race car oriented" (where the exact definition for this is a bit cloudy to me at the moment) (just like in the videos, meaning spanks and mine (STCC or early to mid 90s DTM), shown in my first reply here).
So just for clarification, like every other class/ car, everything is or should be predefined and you dont need to play "NFS-underground-carbon pimp my ride _whatever_ game" beforehand in order to remain competitive. Also, the unique class related attributes should remain up to a decent amount, meaning the characteristics that makes the TBO class what it is (power-weight distribution for instance(?)). It should be something unique as well, something with a nice handling reminding on a road car in combination (or restricted/ enhanced in that respect, depending on how its been realized i guess, if ever...) with some GTR car atributes, something that perhaps prepares you a bit for the GTR class if youre rather new to the game for instance, everything nicely adjusted indeed.
I talking about stuff like specially tailored engine tweaking, slicks, a slightly wider track in combination with an adjusted bodywork only for this purpose, corresponding front and/ or rear end spoiler, rollcage, weight saving by removing stuff that serves no purpose on a race track and so on...
You shall get an completely new experience with cars you have already driven before many times in the "normal road version". Which of all of those things could or should be added, i dont know since im not into that technical stuff of the official STCC or (early to mid 90s) DTM classes. But as i have said already, all with the goal to get something that fits inbetween or broadens the already existing GT2(?) class.
Maybe the TBO class is or should already represent just that? If so then im sorry for wasting your time.
However, im not demanding anything thus im not in the position to do so anyway nor am i obviously taking all possible facts into account for this exact reason. So this is why im open for any corrections on this matter (and/ or my limited english skills of course if you feel like it
).Please dont count "(" or ")" or " or " or the word "class" or anything else that has been used too many times by me. I know...
/meh
well woz, you never know until you tried it and dont tell me you dont like it because you tried the slickmod once. Using just slicks is nonesense as well as using a bodykit and all the bling bling stuff on a normal day road car hatchback thingy (mostly without any other adjustments). That said, its not even sure if slick would really be needed but thats all down to the way (if there ever would be any) the devs decide to create such a class.
I dont know but i just cant stand this "well i dont like it because it would/ could be this or that, probably or maybe..." or "i hate it because there is/ isnt this or that feature or so..." (without trying it first or even discovering its full potential in the slightest after some practice) attitude, these days. But maybe thats just me.
I dont know but i just cant stand this "well i dont like it because it would/ could be this or that, probably or maybe..." or "i hate it because there is/ isnt this or that feature or so..." (without trying it first or even discovering its full potential in the slightest after some practice) attitude, these days. But maybe thats just me.
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That clip is one of my favorites, seen it many times
I add another one of my favorites on this matter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUAE-819OG4
About the idea, (and i stopped reading at page two, so forgive me if some things already have been mentioned) i really like it and always thought about a class like that to be honest. Like some in here already said, it should not be *overpimped* but "smoothly adjusted", "just like the original TBO class" (yeah i guess that would take a lot of time seeing that the TBO class balancing is still in progress (more or less and yup, i have confidence in the dev doing that just fine)).
- not sure about the tires, depends on the engine in use i guess
- same goes to downforce (and usage of a bodykit) and if so then it should be restricted to just a few degrees (parts)?
- weight should be reduced but im not sure how much the rollcage weighs in comparison to the rest of the stuff that would leave the car like most of the cockpit, seats et cetera
- driver position (even more) optimised for this class
- ...
Right now (while driving the XRT for instance) i know its a road car, at least it gives me that feeling, no matter how much im tweaking the setups. That doesnt mean i dislike it but more the exact opposite but i think if another race class like suggested would be added then i think that the difference should be feelable right away. It should be lighter, more agile and scream for more throttle input
Anyhow, i think it would add a lot to the game and i certainly dont think that it would send the TBO class into retirement. There are so many people playing this game by now and so its virtually impossible to not find someone else having the same/ simular interests.
haha
@ PP: good luck with finding the problem, it sure is worth the effort and the money in case you decide to get yourself a licence.
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