My 'maybe we'll meet on track after all' comment was made to alland44 who is giving fcv a go. Interestingly, I counted 12 servers out of 380 with fcv. That didn't include private servers or ones with reset allowed. Most of those were autox (why no whinge from autoxers?) so it doesn't look as though you're being forced into a corner! Chill fer Christ's sake!

Quote from alland44 :

I`m back

I tried this FCV, 30 minutes this evening (If you can`t beat them, join them) On As Club, i was only 2/10 of my hotlap PB in Xfg. Lx4 is still hopeless, but I beat my hotlap in Xrg, with 2/10.

Xrg is easier to drive FCV, I guess I certainly will test more, the coming days, in the other cars. But - I have no idea, what is happening around me

I now fully understand why so many hit me in open races - You can`t see a damned thing

Well well. Maybe we will meet on track some day after all. It's good to see you're big enough to give it a go. Respect.

Quote from Meanie :

Does ANY other server is using this OPTION?

Yes, Dead Men Racing. So far the people that have joined and left because of FCV is insignificant. There is an 'F' in the server list and we have a bloody great message saying 'FORCED COCKPIT' on the motd. Numbers of visitors don't seem to have dropped. There are more people that leave because 'wind sucks' than fcv. It's a storm in a teacup as far as I'm concerned.
Dead Men Racing: FCV, no reset, wind on, 10-15 lap races, comfort breaks, no voting restarts, friendly, fair, and fun. Oh yes, and clean. Like it or find somewhere more to your taste, we're easy.
EDIT: Oops! Forgot pitstops. :-)

Last edited by Doorman, Mon 16 Jul 2007, 19:21.

Quote from SGRdust :

But the real point for me is: How can u drive a car, from other point then cockpit?????

Its real strange for me, i use Simulation from 2003, and i Own practically all the Sims are out atm (rbr, race, gtr2, rfactor, netKarPro etc... for say some of the actual Sim), but i can't never drive with other view then cockpit, for me is impossible to understand any other type of driving...this is when i drive a Simulator (Simulator Game, if prefer), and i dont think im the only one...

If i wanna Playing a Racing Game i go to Need For Speed, or Burnout, then i can play with chase view, roof view etc...but absolutly Not in any other Simulation, where i try to extrapolate maximum realism (I use a 58 FOV, generally), like the degrees of my G25 (i.e. 720°), the FFB etc...

This is My Humble Opinion, of course, and sorry for my english...

Stefano

You're not taking time off from coding 1.0.3 are you? Anyway, welcome to LFS forums and we'll put you down as an FCV fan shall we?

Quote from bbman :

Do you seriously think the community wouldn't be able to think of something like this? Do you think you're that much smarter you'd be the first one to think of that? Have you even bothered to look around to see what's already out there?

There's that old Viennese charm at full throttle. Waltz anyone?

What's this got to do with LFS? Can't we have another discussion about forced cockpit view?

Nice plant though.

There's an American expression. "There's no substitute for cubic inches". Get the biggest you can afford.

Quote from DeKo :

I subscribe to the view that the earth goes between ice ages and global warming every few thousand years, and that humans do absolutely jack shit to change this. Arguments saying that leaving my ****ing tap on when im brushing my teeth actually makes a difference are just complete bollocks.

+1

Will there be more polls until the custom view guys win?

There's quite a few people who seem to think it's their 'right' to go on any server they wish. That infers that private servers are infringing their 'yooman rights. Make all servers public with voting for everything enabled!

Despite the prophets of doom we spend a great evening of racing fcv. Attendances didn't fall off and no-one complained....I lie; one guy joined, said 'Forced cockpit?', '???', 'Goodbye then' and left. He came back 2 seconds later and said 'A thought, you should advertise it so as not to waste people's time' He'd gone by the time I typed 'It's in the server list marked F'

Quote from zeugnimod :

Did you ask them what view they use?

Do you think they would cause any less crashes if they used cockpit view?

You can tell if someone is using incar view or custom view by hitting F12 while viewing them as a spectator. Amazingly, about 90% of people coming on our server use incar. Unfortunately you can't tell which 'custom' view is being used.

Quote :

=Bob Smith;480043]No, they were dowsized though, originally 3840x960. Tons of width but very little height, hence even with 100 deg FOV I can't see the dash in cockpit view. I'm not running a widescreen moniter, but three 4:3 monitors in a row.

Although, having just checked, and things weren't quite as bad as I made out. The normal in-car view had a seperate FOV setting, which was only set to 90 deg. Putting it up to 100 as well made them more similar (I can now see the very top of the dials).

Fixed example screenies:
LX4 in-car
LX4 custom (still in-car)

The LX is one of the worst cars, in many cars I don't need to adjust the camera at all. The MRT is worst though, I can't see anything of the car with the standard camera. Overall it's liveable but I'd still prefer "force in-car view" to allow similar custom camera positions.

Try going to Options, View. Near the top of the page is 'Pitch view and Rotate View. I think you'll be able to get just what you're looking for.

This subject will never be resolved. A bit like religion. At the end of the day we worship at whichever alter we think is right. If someone chooses to run his server with fcv you simply don't go on it. In the same way you don't go on servers that have pitstops or wind or a track you don't like or a car you don't like. Easy.

Last edited by Doorman, Sun 8 Jul 2007, 15:22. Reason : Spelling

Interesting poll, one of many on this subject over the years and if my memory serves me correctly the all got more or less the same result
Checkit Seems like only the tiny(noisy) minority will be upset by this option.

Quote from Bob Smith :

Will force cockpit view stop me from seeing the dials (ignoring the arcadey virtual dials)?

No. Just adjust your FOV in or out till you see the dials. You may have to cast your eyes down to see them but if you disable the wheel/driver there is no impediment.
EDIT: Have you cropped those images?
THIS is what I see on a 22" widescreen 63° fov

Last edited by Doorman, Sun 8 Jul 2007, 15:13. Reason : Added attachement

Well done Scawen. Now give servers an option to deny restart voting DURING a race and all will be bloody marvelous!........Please.

Quote from Becky Rose :

...So as men are but mere putty in my hands...

Is that putty while it's still soft and squishy or putty after it's gone hard?

Quote from SamH :

Logically, you're wrong. They always had that liberty. Lots of restaurants near me have operated a no-smoking policy for years. Lots of others didn't. You always had a choice. Now you don't. A liberty has definitely been lost due to legislation.

For years anyone/everyone had the option to start a no-smoking bar or pub if they wished. Now nobody has the right to start a smoking bar or pub if they wished. The law encroaches on previously unhindered liberties.

Best argument I've heard against the new legislation.

Both my wife and I were smokers many years ago and when we went to Finland, we went on a train. The smokers carriage was on the end of the train and I swear it was never cleaned. It was knee deep in ash and cigarette ends. We were horrified by it at the time but now we say 'serves us right!'
If tobacco was introduced within the last decade or so it would be banned as a dangerous substance. But tobacco companies and governments of all colours love it! Smokers pay an extortionate amount of tax, for something that will possible kill them, will probably mess up their breathing and definately cost a bloody fortune, yet still keep coming back for more. Dumb or what?

Quote from Bean0 :

Hehe, the replies make this thread.

Have some stars

Too kind.

I'm amazed at how many of you actually thought there'd be a goddam mod. Turkeys.

Our reporter caught sight of what appears to be a new Volkswagen Beetle mod for LFS

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Quote from TaiFong :

You are most likely missing practice and a bit of natural skill. I say natural skill because, no matter how much most of us practice, we still probably will never be able to touch the WRs.

Ain' dat da troof!

Ooh, has it finished? I was enjoying that. Senna, you'd be welcome on our server.....for about 17 seconds.