Bourdais penalty... I got nothing....

Seriously hope they overturn Bourdais penalty. Eddster and Tweaker are really breathing down my neck right now, and I could really do with a bigger gap if i'm gonna hang onto 6th and win that baseball cap that i don't want.

Congratulations dude

Looks like you'll have to drop the Crashgate and pick up the Cow & Gate

Say goodbye to your friends, social life and all your money. And say hello to dirty nappies, sleepless nights and hoards of little old ladies stopping you every five minutes in the supermarket to tell you what a little beauty he/she is.

And don't worry about the feeling old thing, i left the twenty something brigade over a decade ago, but my brain still thinks it's living in a 14 year olds body...

Quote from SamH :

Because if Bourdais finishes ahead of Massa, they can drop him down the field and get Massa some more points.

Exactly what i was thinking....

Huh ? incident between Massa and Bourdais will be investigated after the race ? Why ? Why after the race ?

Perhaps Lewis was overly aggressive at T1 again, but if that was a DT then surely Massa's move should at least be a stop - go. They're simply not comparable incidents

I realise i'm a day or two behind this thread, but i just wanted to confirm what Fabri dun did say....

Quote from Fabri91 :

Trust me, you might want to try the FreeFalcon mod, or for that matter Open Falcon or Allied Force: the last one is sold as a complete package, while the other two are to be installed over an original Falcon 4.0 install. All are VASTLY improved over the original and are stable, especially FF and AF.
If you have a spare F4 CD, try it.

Falcon 4 is easily the best Jet Fighter sim out there, especially if realism is your bag (just try landing the thing :tilt.

You should be able to pick up a cd of Allied Force on ebay for a few quid. And whilst the graphics arn't up with more modern games, the flight characteristics have never been beaten (as yet). I'm actually surprised some 'names' in here talk of LOMAC in such revered tones, I found it really arcady tbh.

This new Heli sim thing looks interesting, it's about time someone made one with real world flight modelling. Looks good too

Quote from Shotglass :

I'll take it into consideration although I rather would have preferd to get someone from DEKRA (the guys who do the MOTs in Germany) to take a look at it and use the opportunity to get a look at the cars belly myself which I suspect would be complicated when buying from somewhere else in Europe.

Yeah, you're probably right. Peace of mind would be worth more than saving a few bucks in the long run.

The reason i posted the (non-working) link to the UK Autotrader site was, they had a handful of Lancia Delta Integrale's, all with reasonable mileage and all under 10k GBP. Nice, very very nice

The only other RWD car i can think of that hasn't been mentioned is the Lexus is200/300. Not a bad alternative to the usual 3 Series BM, but perhaps a bit...'grandad-ish' ?

Or if you fancy taking a bit of a left field punt you could go for something older, how about a 1980's or early 90's Merc SL. The 80's versions (especially) are seriously cool cars these days (despite the Bobby Ewing connotations) and they should be as reliable as most modern day cars....well, almost

Heres an example of something i've just found in the UK http://search.autotrader.co.uk ... ry=&largeId=785372427 (lets hope the link works) 1987 SL420 Leather/wood, electric everything, alloy wheels, removable hard top, full service history, vgc, only 87,000 miles on the clock, yours for only £6,000. Ok so it's rhd, but how ultra cool hip and trendy would you look in that thing

Last edited by Mazz4200, Tue, 7 Oct 2008 05:35.

Difficult to answer when you have no idea what the 2nd hand market's like in another country.

But heres a list from the UK Autotrader of LHD, RWD cars on sale over here http://search.autotrader.co.uk ... 36,N-24-240/search.action. (for some reason it's thrown a few SUV's in there, but the first page alone should get your eye's popping) You should look into seeing if it'll work out cheaper to take a l'ill holiday only to return with a l'ill pressie for youself rather than buy local.

[edit] seems the search function read RWD as the word RED, so that explains the fwd's and the 4x4's, also explains why all the cars are red....
Here's the page with LHD only, so you have to know your cars well to tell which are rwd. http://search.autotrader.co.uk ... 36,N-24-240/search.action

[edit 2] err hang on, don't think those above links are pulling up the right page...give me a sec...

[edit 3] nope, can't get Autotrader links to pull up the right page, but you can do a search yourself. Or you could have a look in Ebay at the LHD section here http://motors.shop.ebay.co.uk/ ... p;_odkw=&_osacat=9801 see if anything takes your fancy.

Might not be such a bad idea buying from another country, especially with the financial problems going on atm, and it seems Motor Dealers over here can't give away their stock right now.

Last edited by Mazz4200, Tue, 7 Oct 2008 00:36.

Just do away with pitstops all together (unless a car has a puncture or mechanical problems).

Fit the cars with big enough fuel tanks to last the whole race and bolt on a set of tyres that'll last the race. It'll bring race craft back into the equation and the incentive to actually overtake on the track will be increased.

Quote from samjh :

This is interesting.

I've been using Linux exclusively for the past two years and never had a problem with my printer (or scanner), with three different distributions: Ubuntu, Fedora, and Debian.

All I ever needed to do on those distros is just switch on my printer (Brother HL1440 laser printer hooked up to the computer via USB cable). A little system tray would pop up saying that a new printer has been installed. I'd click on the configure button (which appears automatically) and click "Make Default". Bingo!

My new scanner installed without any tinkering too. It's a Canon LIDE 25. Just connected it to the computer, switched it on, and it was ready to use without even configuring anything!

Some distros do require a lot of manual tinkering (Slackware, Gentoo, Arch, etc), but most of the very popular ones don't. In fact, it's only the brand-spanking-new stuff (or ones made by Lexmark) that you might have a problem with. Even then, they generally get supported after 6 to 12 months.

I'm getting the feeling that some of the opinions about Linux are quite outdated. Linux improves by leaps and bounds every year.

Just and update for Wien and yourself samjh.

I've just finished installing the latest edition of Linux Mint (install went without a hitch, they even give you a nice step by step .pdf guide to help and introduce the system) Updated the Nvidia drivers with Envy and installed the latest version of Google Earth via the Synaptic Package Manager both without any problems at all.

Then, powered on the printer and pluged the usb socket into the PC, and, nothing, didn't ask for any drivers, no pop-ups asking me to configure it, nowt, except, one tiny little icon on the tray bar. Clicking it brought up a box saying i had no documents queued up waiting to be printed. Opened up Open Office, wrote out a quick message, clicked the quick print icon, clicked on Stylus photo RX500 in the drop down box, and sweet as a nut the message was printed without the slightest pause. Magic It knew exactly which printer i'd just plugged in and didn't need any addition downloads let alone any extra drivers installed. I love it when things just work...

Now, if i had only remembered to make a list of my favourite bookmarks....

Cheers, one happy camper here

Looks like a Power Rangers helmet, that's been squashed.

Quote from deggis :

...to learn tracks.

I would guess so, and probably just for fun too, a way to let off steam.

Quote from Klutch :

er...there was only like 400 made?

Oopsy, Errrr typo...so yeah as i said, apparently the American Army bought a couple of hundred of em....think i got away with that one........[edit]oh bollocks, should have read the whole thread, seems Bob and Rdcranno knew more to the story than i did.

Quote from MAGGOT :

They're both ugly.

The Quattroporte, ugly ? Thats a joke, right ? Or are you admitting you got no taste.

You ever seen one in the metal, they look stunning, got real presence. They look so much better in real life than they do in pictures, and the interiors are pure luxury. I actually think it looks better than the GranTurismo, and that is a stonkingly beautiful looking car, which again looks so much better in real life.

I agree with you one the Lambo being ugly though. As it is, that roofline is too long, and gives a weird sort of proportion to the whole design. And the front end may look great on a Reventon, but i think it's a bit much on this, like it's trying to hard. The car might look better if it was shortened and made into a 2 door coupe, but i guess they're making it to compete with that new Porsche Panamara (which i think is pug ugly too).

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Quote from 1303s_vortech :

This would not be their 1st try on a SUV.
Have ever never heard of the LM002?
& the LM004

Oh yeah, trust me i'm well old enough to remember them

Apparently they were shockingly bad cars too, although it didn't stop the American Army from order a couple o' thousand of em

That new concept SUV looks hideous though, so no doubt all the footballers and their wifes will be ditching the Cayenne and buying one of those

Quote from wien :

Well, for what it's worth it's listed in my version of CUPS (latest Ubuntu alpha), but I can't tell if that means it's fully supported. Probably is though.

Yeah, the site i got the driver from said it was CUPS too. Will install the new version of Mint at the weekend and see if it's learnt to plug and play the printer.

Yet another thing i forgot to mention earlier, a few people were talking about the problems with Nvidia drivers and Linux. But Mint comes packaged with Envy, and i can honestly say i've never had one single problem with the graphics, not one. Then again i've never really pushed it with any games or anything, apart from Danowat's Friday Afternoon Fun

Surprised no one's mentioned this, but there's a new Lamborghini out.

http://motoring.sky.com/news_f ... -estoque--first-look.aspx

Front engine and 4 doors ?, gimme a Quattroporte anyday of the week.

But what next, an SUV ? http://www.topspeed.com/cars/l ... borghini-suv-ar44571.html

Quote from JJ72 :

so it's very unlikely simulators will be used to nurture driving skills.

You maybe right, but - going slightly off topic here - it can in certain circumstance be a very good indicator of potential. Just look at the processes involved in the V1 Championship, and Norbi hasn't done too badly out of his time with LFS. And if i remember correctly Peter Cox was an alien in GPL when he was given the chance to drive in Touring Cars. Apparently a lot of the NASCAR drivers use Arca and iRacing

Simulators are used extensively in other areas too. If you jump on a plane these days the chances are it'll be the first time the pilot has flown a real passenger jet. And the Army, especially the American Army have been investing millions of dollars in full surround'o'vision war simulators. You can even buy the simulator yourself, if you've got the cash, it's called VBS 2, and it's very similar to ArmA and Operation Flashpoint.

Quote from chanoman315 :

the plan was aproved now

Bunch of wimps. I did have a feeling it would be approved at some stage, but i thought it would probably have to be slid in under the carpet so to speak.

Guess all that scaremongering did the trick. And as usual it'll be the average man on the street that'll have to foot the bill.

Quote from wien :

I realise you said you're not looking for help, but did you try just plugging it in? (You probably did, but just in case. )

Lol, I may be stupid, but i'm not daft Yeah, all plugged in, tried a reboot and everything.

I've got an Epson Stylus (photo) RX500, it's one of these all-in-one jobbies. It's actually not as easy to setup in Windows as i may have suggested. But that's only down to the fact it needs 2 or 3 different drivers installed to work certain parts of it i.e the ordinary printer stuff, the photo bit and the scanner bit (mind you it's been a while since i installed it in windows so i probably got that wrong.) But anyway, it prints it's test page off without problems, but Linux simply can't see it.

Quote from wien :

Because the Windows way of searching the web for drivers is absolutely the last resort on Linux and where most Windows users get lost in a mess of config files and command-line utilities. If the hardware is properly supported, it usually works out of the box (unless you're Shotglass apparently).

TBH i know it was only a n hour or so ago, but i can't for the life of me remember where i found the drivers, i think, (stress the word think) it was the official Epson site, it looked pretty official. But i tried both the .tar and the .rpm files. (actually got further with the .tar) And as i said it seemd to go fine until the 'make test' command which only pulled up a load of errors. I'll have to have a closer look tomorrow.

Quote from wien :

It's a beautiful thing when a clean, bare-bones install of Ubuntu comes up with hardware 2D and 3D acceleration, network (wireless and wired), Bluetooth, suspend/resume, media keys, DVD-burner, SATA, digital camera etc. without lifting a finger. My mom could do it for christ's sake.

Yunno, i've not even checked the Mint site for a good six months or so, so the chances are i've not got the most current edition...yep, just checking as i'm typing, and looks like the new edition Elyssa has been out a while, i'm still using the first build of Daryna Thankfully from my past problems with MS windows i've learnt to back up my personal stuff on a regular basis, so reformating and re-installing is never too much of an issue. So looks like i'll have a new toy to play with come the weekend

But don't worry, i'll get the printer sorted no matter what. Even though it seems we're becoming more of a paperless society everyday. I'm finding that any documents or somesuch that i need are much easier to put on my MDA or flash drive, and the printer just sits in the corner gathering dust atm.

Thanks anyway


[edit] something i should have mentioned earlier. I did give the live disc to my sister. She's even older than me, but she does use a Windows based computer everyday at work. And she hated Linux, couldn't get on with it at all. Had all sorts of problems trying to install all her gadgets and stuff. So i guess at the end of the day it's one of those "Horses for courses" scenarios. For me - right now - it meets my needs fine, but for others it's as much use as a chocolate fireguard.

Last edited by Mazz4200, Thu, 2 Oct 2008 03:22.

This thread has certainly moved on. And you're all starting to speak in that language that us mere mortals simply don't understand. It's not a problem, please don't think you need to dumb it down on my behalf. But please let me by the threads token Noob, numbnuts, technophobe, (or any other name you may wanna use, i don't care).

This line just about hit the nail on the head for me

Quote from CSU1 :

Noobs generaly would be too afraid of breaking something to install software so the repository is more than likely beyond their grasp.

The fear factor IS a real issue when you're left with the prospect of not having a clue how to fix what you've broke. Which in one sense is actually a good thing, it tends to stop you from going too deeply into things that you don't really understand (sometimes windows does seem so easy to use it can lull you into a false sense of security, and before you know it you've lost half your data and the screens gone a nice shade of blue).

However, Linux can be overly complicated when performing some of the simplest of tasks. I was reading this thread about 20mins ago, and someone was talking about installing a printer. I then realised i've never even tried to install my printer on Linux. So, had a quick scan on the net, found the drivers, read the install instructions, opened up the Terminal, did what i was told, and the install went without a hitch. Did a 'make test' from the terminal, and got a bucket full of errors, and Open Office doesn't even know the printers there. So, if i am gonna get it working i'll probably have to spend hours and hours chasing round the web looking for a solution. (*N.B. i'm not actually asking for help on this, just using it as an example of how Linux can sometimes flumux the technophobe) Whereas, to install it on Windows, all i need do is find the cd that came with the printer, pop it onto the cd tray, click on a couple of buttons, and Bob's yer uncle.

Having said all that. I do still prefer Linux for my everyday computering. I've had far less problems with it in the 2yrs i've been using it than i ever had with windows. Open Office is great, i find both Evolution and Thunderbird easier to use than Outlook. M Player's better than...the MS one (forget it's name) And
to my ears (at least) Amarok has a much better sound quality than the MS player. I prefer Firefox to Explorer (bit of a no-brainer that one though) and in overall terms it's simply caused me less hassle than Windows. And besides, i've got WinXP installed on a second HD, so if i do have any problems with Linux it's a simple case of switching off and booting into the other drive.

Anyway, i realise the thread has moved onto other things, so by all means carry on with whatever it is you're discussing. Just thought i'd give a point of view from a nooby-numbnuts-technophobe who can put up with the drawbacks of the system, and is happy to keep on using Linux, despite what anyone else says or thinks.

Very interesting little article from Ted Kravitz on the ITV website http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature. ... =Ted_Kravitz&id=44141

Don't know if anyone mentioned this in the thread, although a few of us did wonder why Hamilton didn't push for 2nd. But, apparently Ron Dennis told him to settle for third, and according to Ted, Lewis was a bit miffed about it.

Quote from Jakg :

ghuttu, eh?

Quote from chanoman315 :

so it seems... is he the original?

Could well be. The age is about right, and i do know he (at least) tried LFS in the past.