Quote from Tweaker :

That looks pretty cool Tag. I'd say the grass is a bit on the 'emerald' side or something, but maybe put a hint of yellow or browns into it. The original grass color is pretty accurate (mix of dead grass). I like the fringe from the grass and the road. Maybe put dirt for the transition, that would at least make it look correct. Maybe even make parts of it showing the edge of the road, like it is a "cut" edge. Or as if the grass has a "cut" edge.

Yeah, but the problem is that if I do a perfect transition for the right side of the track, the left side looks bloody well awful :P I'm going to go for the dirt... I have some dirt textures here that would look pretty nice...

The grass is too brightly green, but that will be fixed once I finalize all the grass textures... I'll be grading the textures once they're all done (at least the ones that have the same objects in them), so that the colors will be all in the same tone throughout the track.

EDIT: The way the textures are mapped doesn't exactly leave much room for playing with other colors... That's one of the things I don't like about computerized circuits... You have a max of 4 types of grass in most of them, and basically, when you put different types of grass around the track it just shouts "repetition!!!" at you. I know it's meant to be a race sim, and not a screenie generator, but I'd love to have about 6 or 7 different types of grass on the trackside alone (and another 6 or 7 behind the armco, and another couple on banks where the crowd walks and sits).

Last edited by TagForce, Wed 24 May 2006, 21:53.

So, since this is turning into a "community high-res texture" thread now...
This is what I have on Westhill so far...

The funny looking grass is due to a mapping error by Eric on the left side of the grass/road textures where the grass is mapped about 50cm too far onto the road leaving absolutely no transition whatsoever... With the longer right-side asphalt there is at least some transition on both sides, but the long side needs improving.

Edit: Oh, and the start/finish line wasn't high-res yet, so that's just a quick mockup to see the mapping

Quote from thisnameistaken :

I just looked at the thread title and thought "Who is Better, and who are Blackwood?"

LOL... Been drinking?

@Kotan:
Having bigger textures has absolutely 0 impact on performance unless you go overboard with it. The only noticable difference I see is the part when LFS says "Loading textures" upon start... That takes longer (maybe it scans all the textures for caching). And of course if you start using my "soon-to-be-released" high-res textures, you'd need at least a 128MB videocard (because the textures for each track are about 70MB)

Quote from Shotglass :

yeah and let us run across the track naked too

Would I be out of line to ask for more female LFSers when that is implemented? :P

I'm all for trackside seat cameras, but the problem is that none of the sims I've ever played (and most of them had these modded in one way or another) has ever produced realistic images from the stands. You're either hovering 12 ft over the crowd, or there's huge amounts of clipping spectactors when panning.

LOL, maybe you should learn to drive, yes...

Personally, I don't mind it one bit if the textures are changed on a daily basis... The thing is... When you have high-quality, high-res images of everything that makes up a track, it's just a matter of copying those images over the original textures (even if the mapping changed) and your textures are good to go.

If the devs create high-res textures for us, then great! We'll just have to see if they look better. Personally, I think some textures need to be replaced completely, because even in high-res they look weird.

There's always a use for high-res texture packs in one game or the other... If we don't need them, then give them to the rFactor community or nKpro community, so they can develop great tracks too. Or better yet... The TrackMania Nations community needs some asphalt textures.

Quote from Tweaker :

I don't notice quality difference either. I'd much rather see BETTER textures, rather than just a resolution change to be honest. Besides, the resolution change looks to be upscaling a bitmap, so you really have no quality change AT ALL. If you had a higher resolution texture, it needs to be 'higher resolution' with finer details and less blurring.

The detail in the LFS textures is enough... It's just that the textures are stretched too much... It looks like there's entire boulders in the road.

I'm currently trying to create new textures using community rFactor tracks (wasn't supposed to be released, but might need to dig up some names and give credit/ask permission) and remapping those (low res) textures to create entirely new highres textures for LFS. Unfortunately, most textures are repetetive to the max, so it's turning out to be a lot more work than initially expected.

Quote from Ian.H :

Road America instantly springs to mind for a very non-black track



Regards,

Ian

But isn't that track mostly concrete?
But yeah, tracks come in all kinds of shades of grey... Or, more accurately, the older the track is, the lighter it will be. I've always seen Westhill as an old track, and it just looks awesome in a lightish color with all the concrete parts on it and all... On the other hand Kyoto is a very modern track, and that looks a lot better in a very darkish color. And Blackwood is somewhere in between... Not Westhill old, but definitely older than Aston and Kyoto, with large parts of it resurfaced, so it would be dark in some parts, and light in others.

Quote from Electrik Kar :

Maybe, if the current community higher-res project group(?) - Becky, Devil 007, Don+Kidcodea, (...just off the top of my head) yourself, myself and others- got organised, we could put out our own higher-res texture pack for LFS. This could help satisfy racers until the devs decide it's time to spruce up the game on their terms. This doesn't have to be an exhaustive replacement of textures, just a few good ones here and there to spice up an already great game.

One thing I've noticed is that when you start updating tracks with some high-res textures, you'll find the low-res ones sticking out more, just screaming for a fix... Take Westhill for example... I've updated it with my own high-res road textures, but now the grass looks terrible, and the tirewall when you enter the pits... gawdawful!!! Oh, not to mention the max speed sign... and the pitbuilding textures look horrible now too! Track looks great though...

(I guess I'm saying that once you start updating one texture, you'll have to update them all to at least have the same area covered by each pixel as much as possible)

Quote from Blackout :

Ye! I wonder what the kids will be like

rofl... Well, to be quite honest, I hope that we'll never have to find out, because she is hella cute, and I have a thing for cute women from the southern part of our country... And if she fell for one of those, at least I have a fighting chance of being to her liking :P

Quote from anttt69 :

Cant seem to find any info about it, does anyone have one of these? know what it is?

Looks like a 6800GS, but I really can't tell without some kind of writing to see.

Quote from duke_toaster :

Who didn't even QUALIFY

Oh well, apparently one of our singers is now involved with one of Lordi... And by that I mean romantically... So we kinda won anyway...

Forget zipping the file... Just create a self-extracting RAR archive... Double click, and it asks you where, and then does the job...

But seriously, people that don't know how to unpack a zip file should read the Windows manual, because these files extract in native windows through compressed folders.

Ayrton...
Just provide him with the folder in a self-extracting archive format... It's easier...
If you want him to extract the zip anyway, tell me what he doesn't understand, or what error message he gets.

Quote from keiran :

If the lap is HLVC legal it will upload to LFSW, a note for the future then.

Keiran

This is NOT true... It is possible that an HLVC legal lap will get rejected by LFSW. Or at least, that's how I understood it ages ago from Victor.
(it is possible to sign a non-HLVC legal lap as being HLVC legal, since it's just one byte in the replay, and they'll get rejected by LFSW anyway)

Quote from TassieDevil :

Well while your laughing so hard there mate, can you tell me what the first version of pedal pots where like, because if they were the same as the Momo ones, then the new version is improved, because I have had my second DFP pedals opened and they are a much better looking pot than the couple of Momo's that I have fixed. And yeah my second DFP, the first one, the pedals played up on GT Prologue, but not on GT3, but then for some reason the FFB died, after a few months, so I took it back and got a new one, and it has been going for ages, the throttle got a bit gittery, so I pulled it apart and cleaned the dust off the pots and put it back together, and haven't had a problem for ages. And by the way the Momo's and the DFP's pedals are easy to pull apart and clean and put back together, I have fixed a couple of Momo's for a mate, and they calibrate perfectly afterwards, and run smooth.

I have no idea if they were the same as the MOMO pots... I've never owned a momo. But yeah, they are different pots, and they are fastened differently... But nothing worth changing the price for... (maybe $0.03 extra cost). In fact... My old pedals were exchanged for the newer ones at no cost at all.

Quote from Kajojek(PL) :

Come on help me, I need to write the essay on Monday. Tell weird situations with those people.

What do you mean? Kids forgetting the language of the country they are currently living in? Or kids that live in a country that they were not born in forgetting the language of the country they were born in?

If it's the latter, then sure... I know plenty of those. It's only natural that you forget large parts of the language if you don't ever actually use it. Funny thing is, they don't forget it truly... It just gets transferred to a part of the memory that is very hard to reach (so they'll forget a couple words at first, then some more, then they start messing up grammar, and then it's completely gone)... When they grow old, the brain starts to rewire and you start forgetting stuff from the recent past... But in reality it's being rewired to parts of the distant past. So very old people with alzheimer's disease very often start speaking their 'born' language, and forget their current language.

EDIT: Never mind, I need to learn to look at dates before replying...

Last edited by TagForce, Sat 20 May 2006, 21:39.

Quote from Becky Rose :

The Proof of Concept is that it registered the lap and the anti-cheat system in hot lapping mode said it was a valid lap. He didn't need to upload it to proove any concept at all, that's is what is making everyone just say "Yeah right".

Actually, the proof of concept is that it was deemed HLVC compatible by LFS, and registered as a full lap by LFSW... (LFSW does indeed perform checks as I understand).

It's a proof of concept...

And here's how it's supposed to be done:

You do something that you should not be able to...
You tell as few people as possible, and inform the responsible people (or have them informed)...
You give them a friendly ultimatum to fix it.
If it's not fixed: You spread the word to as many people as possible, so the responsible people soon find their stuff compromised because of their own mistake and neglect.

And usually it ends with you being arrested by the feds for a computer crime...

Quote from wheel4hummer :

For some reason, my buttons for live settings and turn signals have stopped working. Once before, I mapped those buttons to other controls accidentally, but now they won't work. There aren't any settings for those buttons either. It really sucks.

What wheel? If you use the Logitech profiler for assigning buttons, just start LFS from there using its profile... Usually, the buttons don't get assigned when the profiler doesn't understand what executable is running for LFS... I lose my button maps when I run LFSGhost to start LFS. Or when I run LFS through a batchfile it messes things up. So I usually start LFS from the profiler itself, and set LFS as the default settings in the profiler just so it works 99% of the time.

Quote from Test Driver :

It's too late now for me, but today I received the answer from logitech. I'll post it here for people who might have the same question:

Answer from the Logitech Costumer Support ( translated with babelfish ) :

LMAO "technically improved" in this case meaning they fastened the pots better so the pedals aren't so sensitive to lose their calibration.

Last time it was 227 to 15...

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=1941

PS: As I did last time... I pronounce Live For Speed as "Elleffess".

Last edited by TagForce, Thu 18 May 2006, 16:34.

Quote from Vykos69 :

haha jeepo, we'll see, who'll sing first :P That smells like a bet! 5 bucks that dutchies go back home before germans

You lose, since your team never LEFT home :P (or you take that to mean your team can never "go back home" since they're already there)

Well, at least we're unbeatable at one part of the Soccer World Cup... largest amount of stupid looking fans...

As for my predictions...

1. Holland
2. Australia
3. Trinidad & Tobago
4. South Korea


First one to guess what these teams have in common wins absolutely nothing :P

Quote from Pain-less :

http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/megane_trophy.asp

uh huh...pull the engine and cockpit out of any car and your left with a shell.

The only point I was trying to make is comparing a computer model to a live model, which was done very well.
...nufsaid

My point was that you said "real", and it isn't.. And no, they didn't pull the engine and cockpit from it either. Yes, it looks alike, but it's still a prototype model made of plastic. The real car didn't even exist when they displayed that yellow thing. And as far as modeling a computer mockup to a live model, just look at the BF1, and the RAC and MRT5... They're probably even better models of the originals.

Quote from wE1l :

I don't know how the sound files are made, but it may be a good idea to sample as many RL engine sounds as possible and use them in corresponding situations. There can be a big improvement, though I can live with it for now.

The easy answer would be: Real time. There are no sound "files" for the engine sounds... They are all calculated as the engine runs.

Quote from Dygear :

It's telling you to stay where you are, so that he / she may pass. And all of this crap about oval races is really not needed.

( Yes, I am from the USA, no, I don't like NASCAR or INDY. )

And you were answering whose question? The TS? Because he was kicked for it... On the Oval... And his question was answered.

Seeing as how he got kicked for not holding a line, the point of not overtaking on the outside would be relevant, as you do get kicked for that too.

Anywayz... Overtaking on the outside isn't that hard, really... Just time it right.