Last time it was 227 to 15...

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=1941

PS: As I did last time... I pronounce Live For Speed as "Elleffess".

Last edited by TagForce, Thu, 18 May 2006 16:34.

Quote from Vykos69 :

haha jeepo, we'll see, who'll sing first :P That smells like a bet! 5 bucks that dutchies go back home before germans

You lose, since your team never LEFT home :P (or you take that to mean your team can never "go back home" since they're already there)

Well, at least we're unbeatable at one part of the Soccer World Cup... largest amount of stupid looking fans...

As for my predictions...

1. Holland
2. Australia
3. Trinidad & Tobago
4. South Korea


First one to guess what these teams have in common wins absolutely nothing :P

Quote from Pain-less :

http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/megane_trophy.asp

uh huh...pull the engine and cockpit out of any car and your left with a shell.

The only point I was trying to make is comparing a computer model to a live model, which was done very well.
...nufsaid

My point was that you said "real", and it isn't.. And no, they didn't pull the engine and cockpit from it either. Yes, it looks alike, but it's still a prototype model made of plastic. The real car didn't even exist when they displayed that yellow thing. And as far as modeling a computer mockup to a live model, just look at the BF1, and the RAC and MRT5... They're probably even better models of the originals.

Quote from wE1l :

I don't know how the sound files are made, but it may be a good idea to sample as many RL engine sounds as possible and use them in corresponding situations. There can be a big improvement, though I can live with it for now.

The easy answer would be: Real time. There are no sound "files" for the engine sounds... They are all calculated as the engine runs.

Quote from Dygear :

It's telling you to stay where you are, so that he / she may pass. And all of this crap about oval races is really not needed.

( Yes, I am from the USA, no, I don't like NASCAR or INDY. )

And you were answering whose question? The TS? Because he was kicked for it... On the Oval... And his question was answered.

Seeing as how he got kicked for not holding a line, the point of not overtaking on the outside would be relevant, as you do get kicked for that too.

Anywayz... Overtaking on the outside isn't that hard, really... Just time it right.

Quote from Viper93 :

Yeah I liked that generation design, the only thing I didn't quite like is what you said about the front end, but it was still good =) It probably does look good with the body kit on =)
The Vtec engine is a great engine, for everything you said, but if you wanted something that is meant for racing there are better engines out there.

If I wanted something that was meant for racing, I wouldn't have bought the Del Sol It can still keep up with a lot of "sporty" cars. Besides, the Targa Rooftop is a big plus in the 20+ weather we're having atm.

Quote from Bob Smith :

Yes, I call it a hi-fi, and it runs of the mains and sits in my room. Cars should either be silent (so you can just relax in silence) or musical (so music is unnecessary).

In fact... That's what I'm putting in my car as we speak... The Hi-Fi setup that I had in my room... I just browse these forums and play LFS on the thing these days, so it really doesn't get used to its potential. It would be much better in the car... Especially because the most beautiful sound in the world (the roar of the engine at higher RPMs) drives you nuts on longer drives.

Quote from Viper93 :

Hehe, it's one thing to make a nice car, but when they talk about their Vtec's as the king of the road then I start getting on people's case =) Vtec is an awesome design, but you only get power above a certain RPM, to me this is not what you want in a race/performance engine. For a daily driver thats different =)

It looks nice, but did you really have to go with the massive air dam? =P At least you don't have a huge rear wing, those are virtually pointless until your doing over 110-120 or so and where are you going to be doing that on the road anyways? That the one thing I might change on mine, get the decklid spoiler instead.

Mine is definitely not king of anything... I just like the look of the Del Sol, but it's a little too "girly" in stock trim.
The VTEC design of the engine is very specifically chosen by Honda to have a car that can do both economy driving and sporty driving. As long as you stick below 4000 rpm (depends on the type of engine) it's pretty good on fuel economy. Once you drive it a little harder, it goes like mad (could be better, but you do feel it kicking in well) but fuel economy goes out the window.

The airdam looks massive (and it is pretty big) but it's really not that bad when you see the rest of the car. The main reason I chose this one is that it makes the car longer by about 50cm... It follows the curve of the hood and then arcs back, making the whole front bumper look as though it hugs the front wheels, which looks nice. There's a rear bumper as well that sticks out the back giving the illusion of a heavy bump-bar behind it.

It's a long way from being done, though.

Quote from pb32000 :

I think you're more at risk from the people-who-have-some-common-sense-and-taste group tbh.

But seriously, whatever floats your boat I guess, Vti will be nice

Look in the dictionary... I think your entry says "See anti-rice brigade"

Well... At least I don't have a huge wing on the rear end.

Quote from 96 GTS :

So if the racer in first defends the lower line, there's no chance anyone can win? I always thought side by side racing was the holy grail of motorsport illepall

I'd really like to hear FM's reason for this.

Yeah, but doing that is considered unsportsmanlike conduct... It's the same server that you'll get kicked out of when you don't press shift-s within 2 seconds of spinning...

They say "it's dangerous"...

In my opinion being succesful at oval racing you need to have a few qualities:
Being able to stay focussed and calm. Being able to look far ahead and react to crashes in time. Outwit your opponent by faking moves, and dodging his blocks... The last 2 are useless on an FM oval server, which is a shame.

Quote from Pain-less :

The Yellow one is real ... the orange one is an UN-edited screenshot that I took.

LOL... you know... Funny thing... The yellow one is NOT real... It's a photograph, yes, but that is no car, it's an empty shell, and not even of the real bodywork.

Risking getting flamed by the anti-rice brigade present...

1992 Honda CRX Del Sol Esi (soon to be Vti)

Quote from Chris_Kerry :

I know that this is going to come across wrong, but I wish people would begin to look at what we have got in LFS rather than what we haven't.

I, like everyone else would love to see additions and improvements and I also see the importance of having discussion about it on forums like these. However everytime I've visited the forum in the last couple of weeks there has been another I wish thread...

Sorry, I'm just mardy.

Well, maybe that's why the devs included an "improvement suggestions" forum... Just so people can create these "I wish" threads...

Which makes me wonder why this one hasn't been moved by a mod yet

Quote from tinvek :

how about

"the mediterainian tax haven circuit"

We could call it "metahaci", and pretend it's situated in Finland...
Nobody would be the wiser...
Ofcourse, corner names like Tabac, Piscine, mirabeau would give it a way, but LFS doesn't have cornernames, sooo...

Quote from ferox.CHIEF TAOA :

Does anyone remember the Nascar: Season 2003 (Papyrus) system to protect servers from "newcomer"?
Maybe it´s possible to include the "Laps per Incidents-System (LPI)" to LFS? If, then it should be possible to set server to a minimum of that LPI and all without enough LPI can´t connect (or they got a password for the server).

Not just the LPI system... But tracktype rankings as well... Short tracks, medium tracks, long tracks, oval, dirttracks...
The LPI system is too dependant on the drivers you race with. So, I'd just get my team to run a few 10km/h races for a few nights and get a 250+LPI on the long tracks...

Quote from 96 GTS :

I don't race on the oval, but I've heard you can't pass on the outside of corners. What's the purpose of that?

True, and that's one of the reasons I don't race the oval in LFS that much... It defies the point of oval racing... Generally, people in LFS that enjoy the oval just wanna go fast and don't care about the racing so much. But it's just an FM server rule, steer clear of them and find yourself one that does care about racing ovals.

And yes, I DO know how to race on an oval, and I did so extensively. Yes, there were wrecks, and yes there was bumpdrafting in NR2003S. And yes, I've won my share of races. LFS is nothing like that, and I prefer NR2003S for ovals any day.

Quote from BWX232 :

Put more LEDs on the steering wheel is easy? I don't think so.. Not without tearing up the wheel.

That's prolly another reason... People do this themselves, mess up their wheel, and buy another one.

Quote from BWX232 :

Yeah I tried it again and it froze IE6 until it finally connected (about 2 minutes).. I just waited for it to connect.. I dunno why that site sometimes locks up IE.. it has happened before.

Anyway, yeah I like the way that works.. very cool.. seems like Logitech could pretty cheaply put a bunch more LEDs on there for this exact reason.

Actually, logitech is saying it's not doing that for precisely that reason
It's pretty cheap, so you can do it yourself.

Quote from BWX232 :

DOS attack those LEDS!! LOL.... just try it! Maybe a "reasonable" DOS attack? Just for a test? I dunno- it's all my beady brain could think of.


Would have been a funny experiment anyway.

Well, it seems that's one of 2 options we have left... The other being a firmware update since it's not the drivers controlling the leds...

Quote :

Thanks for the info about *our* firmware I know that none of my driver code writes out LED commands, so it must be the firmware itself then. The way it worked in older wheels (pre-DFP era) is the the host told the wheel, "take your hands off the LEDs, I'll control them now", and from that point on, the firmware would not change the state no matter what it thought. However, this does not seem to apply to the DFP which imposes its own will onto the LEDs, even if the host has told it to do something else.

Interesting concept to have "additional" LED output for various different events. It would be quite simple to make an LED-only device, or maybe one with a few extra buttons...

Quote from BWX232 :

DOSing hardware-- LOL- yeah I guess that's what it would be..

Well hopefully Logitech will help.. I am not holding my breath though.. they are cool guys but not sure if they will help.

Got an answer... I think if he knew it were possible he'd help...

Quote :

I don't think the LEDs are controllable through the host, unlike with the other wheels... sorry :/

Quote from BWX232 :

Well I meant more overwhelming it rather than overriding it.. but not sure exactly how the software works.. I noticed they says they could affect the LEDs, just they instantly switched back to default.. I was thinking of just overwhelming it with commands to get the desired affect.. Just an idea.. probably wouldn't work anyway.

And I asked them so we wouldn't have to force anything... DOSing hardware is often not a good plan, because the timing is going to be a problem, and it would probably have a bad effect on the normal working of the wheel (let's say it does one request every 0.001 second, and you send a led signal every 0.002 seconds, that slows the device down by 50%).

Quote from sil3ntwar :

whats so great about reverse going down?

It's not the reverse going down, it's the fact you have to PUSH THE SHIFTER DOWN before you can put it in reverse, like in a real car.

Quote from Matrixi :

TagForce, I didn't ask moderators to ban him. Just to take a look at the whole situation on hand and judge themself what to do They if anyone will know if the person is licensed or not.

I like the way you defend new people TagForce, but accepting some people who are crackers and come posting and asking for help in official forums isn't right imo, even if they decide to buy the game in X amount of days/weeks. When they have the license nicely written under their name, they will get my full support.

Sorry, I am cruel, but some action must be taken in the whole cracker situation in the forums. You can't just go patting them in the back and begging them to buy S2. We will see how this case will advance.

My apologies... It seemed as though you were asking for a ban.

I'm not accepting people who are crackers... I simply ignore their questions (about LFS, that is). And I agree we should act on people who are crackers...
It's just that I think a different approach might be a little more fair to all involved.

It's just a fact that there is a crack for Q (and U will be here shortly, count on it), and people will use it, whether they want to buy it or not.
Just make it a rule to not help demo racers with S2 license questions until they show S2 licensed. And tell them that. Either they go away because they won't get help, or buy a license to get help... That's about all we can do...

Quote from BWX232 :

Wow awesome program... I have a momo but use my DFP..


I was thinking.. since the DFP overrides the command this program uses to control the leds... (or switches control back to the DFP instantly)-
I wonder if it would be possible to just modify this program to control the LEDS on a DFP 100 times a second or something like that.. or more frequently.. so it does it faster than the DFP takes back control..


Maybe a work-a-round so it could work for that wheel?

I've already asked the Wingmanteam if it's possible to override the driver or firmware LED control... Awaiting an answer.

Quote from szyszek :

I'm just wondering about the availability of the wheel. I would like to wait a while for the prices to drop a bit, and then get it... but it's supposed to be a limited edition. What does that mean? I mean will they make 10 of them, or a 1 000 000? Shame there isn't really any info on that.

They will make only one revision of this wheel, in a single batch...
Which basically means: They'll make enough of them to supply the world with the wheels for an initial launch of a new product, but once they're gone, they're gone. I don't know how many DFPs were sold the first quarter it was released, but I'm guessing this one will have twice that many units made.

You'll be able to get them just fine. Only problem will be: If you want to buy one 3 years from now, they'll be gone... And if it breaks down, you won't automatically get a replacement unit. First they'll try to repair it (since they only have so many units), and if that really fails, you'll get a replacement if available.